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Contents 1 Welcome back 2 Iwi locator maps 3 Pritchardia minor 4 Maori help 4.1 The caption of the photo 5 roebelenii 6 Kānuka / Mānuka 7 Archontophoenicinae‎ 8 Flagstaff War 9 Will be interested to hear what you make of this haha.. 10 List of schools in Northland, New Zealand 11 Image Copyvio 12 CSV 13 Toetoe 14 translation 15 Kura Kaupapa Māori 16 Welcome! 17 NZ bird species pic's

[edit] Welcome back

I hope your absence was due to a holiday or just a wikibreak, rather than ill health.-gadfium 22:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It was/is just a wikibreak. Plus a change of job late last year meant I didn't really feel like editing in my spare time too. Kahuroa (talk) 10:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Would you like to have rollback on this wiki?-gadfium 08:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah bro, I would. That would help when a vandal has made several edits. Cheers Kahuroa (talk) 09:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Done.-gadfium 09:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. See also me on mi, if you didn't already. Kahuroa (talk) 10:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I wondered where you'd got to - good to see you back :) Grutness...wha? 23:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Chur bro. Kahuroa (talk) 04:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Iwi locator maps

Sorry I didn't put them in the right place to start with. I really should have consulted others as to what would be the smartest strategy. If you think of other stuff that would be nifty, just give me a buzz.

Matt (talk) 21:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

No worries mate Kahuroa (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pritchardia minor

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wo bro, slow down. PACSOA is just one of the sources - I wasn't done. Impressive work tho Kahuroa (talk) 11:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maori help

Hello, I'm not at all sure if you're good with the Maori language, but User:DragonflySixtyseven and I came across the article on Dun Mihaka recently and are trying to get it expanded for a feature in Did you know? on the Main Page, since we're confident we can come up with a really interesting hook for it. Problem is, when trying to find sources, Google came up with this one that's written entirely in Maori. As it looks like it may also have a picture of him, I'm really keen to figure out what it says to see if there's any way we can use it as a source (picture's probably a lost cause, but at least it's there). The category of people who speak Maori is incredibly small here, and those that advertise that they speak it well haven't been around lately. We were wondering if you could provide some sort of rough translation of the website if possible, or at least hint if it might be useful? If you don't speak Maori yourself, sorry for bothering you, but in that case do you know anyone who might? Thanks for your help either way! Happy editing! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Good, that'll help a lot. From other sources, I was able to figure out that he had been put on trial for something (or was at least in court) in 1979 - does it mention why? I know the first of the anti-royalty incidents didn't happen until 1981, so it can't be that; but given this guy's interesting history, it could be any number of things. Thanks for your help! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Answer:

Its actually a translation of the Waitangi Tribunal's findings given here which you already have.

[edit] The caption of the photo

Dun Mihaka, the raiser of causes (= protestor), standing outside the house of Parliament in the camp of the Land Marchers to Parliament, in the year 1976.

Kahuroa (talk) 05:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Darn it. Ok, thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] roebelenii

Not a big deal. I guess I waver on what we are going to call encyclopedic, but helping the average user identify the organism in question is, I think, ideal and many may not recognize that a gallery awaits them beyond the commons link. Most plant articles, while not in gallery form in all cases, show the attributes distinctive to the taxon, in picture form, and there is little doubt that media has come to be nearly dominated by the pictorial. If you dont mind I'll add descriptive pics for now and if consensus is to relegate them to the commons tag I'll begrudgingly comply. Thanks for the other clean-up there and please edit elsewhere in the palm family where you can. Mmcknight4 (talk) 06:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No doubt, expansion to incorporate them is ideal. Your patience til then is appreciated, and, again, if you wanna get a couple palm articles under your belt the family is in dire need. And any pics of exclusively New Zealand based palms or others we lack would be great. Thanks again.Mmcknight4 (talk) 07:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kānuka / Mānuka

I've uploaded the pic - and corrected my gallery. It seems that for some years I have been confused between the sizes of Kānuka & Mānuka, but no longer! Thanks :-) Now if only I could find a decent Tawa to photograph... Karora 06:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archontophoenicinae‎

Congrats, the first (I think) subtribe palm article. Only thirty or forty more to go; feel free to knock 'em out. This is the bulk of the material for Archontophoenicinae if you don't already have it. I dont know all the details about cites but this: Uhl, Natalie W. and Dransfield, John (1987) Genera Palmarum - A classification of palms based on the work of Harold E. Moore. Lawrence, Kansas: Allen Press. ISBN-10: ISBN-10: 0935868305 / ISBN-13: 978-0935868302 is what I've been using for that book if you include the info. You can see the page number on the scan. And the pics are great, too. If you can quit your job and do this full time it would be appreciated.Mmcknight4 (talk) 07:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers man, the source looks great. Wouldn't a range map be awesome. One thing tho... I think the latest classification separates out Rhopalostylis and Hedyscepe as the Rhopalostylinae or something like that... and it does away with R. sapida and just has 4 or so varieties of R. baueri - can't see that going down too well here in NZ!... and then there's some genetic study since that in which Hedyscepe clustered with something totally unexpected... LOL. Thanks about the pix, am trying to improve my pic taking too. Kahuroa (talk) 12:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You are correct, the subtribe seems to be recently revised which is the case with many palm groups given the widespread availability of DNA testing to confirm or refute relationships. Fortunately, Genera Palmarum 2 is coming out soon which, presumably, will address current inconsistencies. Without the revised survey in your hand, its hard to know what should and shouldn't be included, but if you find something citable stating Rhopalostylis and Hedyscepe have been omitted from Archontophoenicinae, I'd say to delete them from the article. Whatever happens with the Rhopalostylis species can be reflected on the genus page, and whether Hedycepe is clustered with one thing or the other wont make a difference for the Archontophoenicinae article, so long as it is not a part of it. I'm certainly no photographer and I have a crappy camera but average pics are better than none at all. I'd ask you to cut this infructescence off and mail it to me, as fresh seed from the native range is ideal, though it would probably violate laws here and there and piss off the Alberon Park employees; I admit though, after I photograph ripe fruit, if I can reach it, I usually take it with me. Happy editing.Mmcknight4 (talk) 00:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I have never actually clapped eyes on an employee in Alberon Park. Umm. I will expand the pages re A..inae and R..is and Hed...e, the reclassifications are interesting in themselves. When I have recovered from last night's awesome Foo Fighters concert. Kahuroa (talk) 03:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

A damn good job with both subtribes youve created. Things like this without generous and extensive publications are hard to bring to FA status which, in my opinion, makes the task relatively unrewarding, but the technical, sometimes boring, work is what the project desperately needs, so cheers to you. Even if you aren't eager to devote yourself to full-time subtribe creation, each chance you get to fill in a gap brings us a bit closer to our ultimate goal, and if I can be of any assistance in that process, please call on me. And feel free to get out there in the jungle or parks or whatever and snap any needed pics. The whole gallery thing like on P. roebelenii is, I agree, undesirable. Part of what bothers me, though, is that the commons link says "wikimedia commons has media related to subject" I'd be more inclined to allow relegation to the tag if I believed that the average user would recognize a gallery does exist there. Thats to say, the commons tag should say, instead, "Wikimedia picture gallery for P. roebelenii". I think that would make it easier on users and alleviate my concerns. Anyway, good work to date, and I hope the concert was a blast; few things I like more than live music. I'll catch you around.Mmcknight4 (talk) 02:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

You make a good point re the commons template - does kind of suck. Your wording makes more sense. Don't suppose we can just go ahead and make a new template - I guess it would take a big debate? Yeah I will potter away with palms and photos. If you have any good sources for Hedyscepe... The concert cranked - amazingly good. Dave Grohl is the man. Kahuroa (talk) 06:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait, there is an 'images' template - I've added it to Phoenix roebelenii for you to look at. Kahuroa (talk) 06:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I was told you Kiwis were all drunken sots. Ive been misinformed. Good find on the commons image template; just what I meant. Here is the Hedyscape info: 1, and 2.

Thanks, that's great. And I will be adding that image template everywhere. Kahuroa (talk) 08:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flagstaff War

I'm not sure whether you should be blanket reverting all edits by the anon or anons on this article. There have been POV edits, but there also appear to be genuine attempts to improve the article. Perhaps it would be appropriate to raise a discussion on the talk page.-gadfium 02:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I had another look, and you're right, mea culpa. The anon has reverted me anyway now. Kahuroa (talk) 03:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Will be interested to hear what you make of this haha..

Ngati hotu was my first foray into wikipedia. I was just looking at the list of maori iwi and realized that it wasn't there.. not many people have probably seen this article. These days I like to distance myself from the idea that these people were europeans but the stuff about them being non-maori was genuine, legit. info. which I came across randomly while reading Kakahi and I thought I'd stick it up.

Would be interested to hear your thoughts.

Cheers, Kotare (talk) 06:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

What you have there is traditions distorted by the Great Fleet hypothesis which was made up by Stephenson Percy Smith in the late 19th C. The GF idea did so much damage and his distortions have penetrated into what many iwi believe. I have a copy of Tuwharetoa and will see what it says about urukehu etc. A pretty good first foray tho. Kahuroa (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of schools in Northland, New Zealand

In the featured list candidacy for this article, a request has been made for translations to be provided for the Māori named schools (see the last point of Matthewedwards comments). Could you either reply to him, or provide translations in the article. I think a translation/explanation for "Te Kura Kaupapa Maori o Placename", and perhaps also "Te Kura o Hata Maria o Placename" in the lede may suffice, together with an explanation that the Māori name of a locality may differ from the Pakeha name, but I am also concerned that satisfying the request may move into original research where there is not a website or citable document from the school concerned giving a translation of their name.-gadfium 06:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks like we need an article on 'Kura Kaupapa Māori' (not Te Kura Kaupapa Māori btw when talking about the national programme, those links need to be changed). I have found one source with a quick google. I don't think the list needs to provide translations, if that's what they mean, rather the articles on each school. In the mean time,

The names on the list are straightforward, no need for 'original research' except perhaps in the last one below - in any case we can just say 'literally....' to avoid OR.

• Te Kura Kaupapa Maori o X = The Kaupapa Maori School of X,
• Te Kura Kaupapa Maori o Te Tonga o Hokianga = The Kaupapa Maori School of South Hokianga
• Te Kura o Hata Maria o Pawarenga = Saint Mary's School of Pawarenga or Pawarenga School of St Mary
• Te Kura o Hato Hohepa Te Kamura = The School of St Joseph the Carpenter
• Te Kura Taumata o Panguru = Pangaru High School
• Te Rangi Aniwaniwa = Rainbow (in the) Sky
• Te Kura Kaupapa Maori o Te Rawhiti Roa - The Kaupapa Māori School of the East Coast? - (lit: long east)

Once Kura Kaupapa Māori has been written we can look at how we'd translate KKM. Kahuroa (talk) 10:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

As well as the first source, other possible sources are Smith - good background, translations of terms, books, google scholar, Maori language commission timeline, another googled book, Linda Smith,pdfs, Charles Royal, korero Māori, G Smith again, and Leone Pihama. Kahuroa (talk) 21:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyway I have started an article Kura Kaupapa Māori - please have a look and improve it as you see fit. Any ideas on a pic? Kahuroa (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent start to the article. I don't happen to have any pictures of TKKM schools. The closest one to me is TKKM o Nga Maungarongo, and I could go and see if I could take a nice picture of it. There's a decent picture of a different school at Flickr, but not currently available under a free licence. I find that Flickr users are usually pretty happy to re licence specific photos under creative commons though - if you agree that the photo is suitable I'll ask them to do so.-gadfium 23:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers - I kinda like how the article incorporates the Māori view without getting political if I say so myself. The Flickr photo's nice - I like the carvings - tho one showing more of the school might be good too - maybe he has some of the school itself too? If you have a chance to take some pix yourself, excellent. There are some plant photos on Flickr I'd like too - do you still have to get them to fill out an email permission form for Commons? Kahuroa (talk) 00:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The easiest way is to get them to change the licence for the photo on Flickr. Here's the email I sent:

I see your photo of Te Kura Kaupapa Maori O Nga Mokopuna at http://www.flickr.com/photos/98712881@N00/449286282/. I'm an editor on Wikipedia, and we currently have no free photo to use of a Kura Kaupapa Maori school. Our English-language article on Kura Kaupapa Maori is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura_Kaupapa_Māori

Would you be willing to change the licence of the photo to Creative Commons Attribute or Creative Commons Share-Alike? We cannot use the no commercial or no derivatives versions of Creative commons.

If you change the license, either just change it on Flickr and send me an email to let me know, or email me the photo (higher resolution would be better) with a clear statement of which licence you put it under. I'll take care of uploading it to the Wikimedia Commons which is where Wikipedia keeps its free photos.

Thanks,

You need to sign up with Flickr to email other users there. You don't actually have to upload any photos, although I uploaded one just to see what steps were necessary to change licensing.

Once a photo is under a Creative Commons Attribute or Share-Alike license, use the Flickr web tools to copy it to commons. You need to make sure you're logged in at commons to do this.-gadfium 01:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The Flickr user has replied and changed the licence, I've copied the photo to commons, and placed it in the article. I sent a thank you note to the user, of course. It always surprises me how quickly and positively people respond to emails!-gadfium 05:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice one - thanks for doing that. Pic works well. And thanks for all this info too. See what I can do with those plant pix. Kahuroa (talk) 08:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image Copyvio

Thanks for the info about mk:Слика:Rimu.jpg. --iNkubusse^? 15:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CSV

I noticed you were interested in the CSV upload feature request for AWB. I have written the feature as a CSV plug-in for AWB. Let me know if you would like to use it. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Replied at my talk page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 14:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Toetoe

I read your talk page comments on the Toetoe article(which you removed yourself) about the picture not being actual Toetoe. The proof you posted for this looks pretty convincing. Im a bit unsure why you removed it again? (and yes, I read the never mind but I'm asking anyway :) FelisLeo^Talk! 11:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Because I needed to check out the flowering time. Anyway I've restored the question and added a bit. Kahuroa (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] translation

Hi Kahuroa, would you be able to give me a quick translation of the couple of sentences in http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Huia over at mi wikipedia?. i'd like to expand Huia (place) and want to make sure i'm not missing any of that content out. cheers heaps. Goldfinger820 (talk) 08:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

choice thanks for that - yeah just add your name to the participants list and the newsie should come through to you Goldfinger820 (talk) 01:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kura Kaupapa Māori

Have you seen the additions to this article by a new but experienced user? It looks like good stuff, except that much is a copy of [1], and I don't think we should have such a substantial amount of Māori language in an en wikipedia article anyway. If the content is free, then it might be a suitable candidate for mi.wikisource.org, if that is ever created.-gadfium 08:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting - I'm glad it has generated this interest, but as you say, this isn't Maori Wikisource so, although the user should be encouraged, it's better to link to the site the Māori text came from rather than reproduce it here. I hope no one will come along and zap it before this is explained on the talk page. And by the way, I have had a bit of luck with Flickr images - a couple of nice kereru pix and I am about to dl a duck pic too, so thanks for the tips. I'm keen to get a Kāhu (harrier hawk) too - as in Kāhu-roa Kāhuroa (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

ah I ve found you both over here. Im enjoying working on the aricle for Kura Kaupapa Maori. I take it that its okay to just hope on and start writing like I have? Im feeling quite please with myself - feeling kinda like an academic, having to cite myself on here. But its all good fun. Thank you both for the encouragement and I do apprecitate the feedback. I will only add one more subheading - Kura achievements because I know that there are huge amounts of sources I can cite. As for the other more detailed stuff about kura, i will keep that for my book, due out in 2030. I will put the word out to a few of my mates for some photographs to accompany the article. Funauckland (talk) 22:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I reckon go for it while you're in the flow. Looking forward to the book. Kāhuroa (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Formatting Kia ora. I noticed your work and editing. All good. I was reading the editing you did on the Te Aho matua explanation sections, and think that it would read better in another format. Its currently too difficult to read in its current form. What do you think about us using a table to explain the different sections of Te Aho matua? Funauckland (talk) 06:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Last two sections of the article Kia ora. Can you have a little look at the last two sections of the aritcle. I am thinking to start windining up the article here. I will write more fuller explanations shortly for the Curriculum section, then we can pull out the sissors to tidy up da englis.

Can you think of other subheading you would like me to comment on that could be usefeul?

I am wondering if it is too bias, or policital. What do you think?

Once all the article has finished, I am hoping within the week, i can go hard out citing everything. I really would like the article to become a feature one. Do you think we have a shot?Funauckland (talk) 22:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Everything has a shot! I will have a look at the subheadings etc when I can, tho they seem fine on first glance. And we can look at the 'bias' when we get the editing scissors out. Sometimes its just a matter of word choice. Kāhuroa (talk) 01:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

[edit] NZ bird species pic's

Your new User Page looks great!.. must do something similar with mine one day. I've had a quick look and the following need photo's: Brown Creeper, Black Stilt and Rock Wren - all have none at the moment. Whitehead could use a few more too.. Cheers, Kotare (talk) 04:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok - will see what I can do with those pix. Kāhuroa (talk) 04:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)