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Contents 1 Categories 2 Dispute Over Karmapa Title 3 Tibetan words 4 Short article 5 Prounciation

[edit] Categories

Rick Block's edit (categorization: Category:Tibetan Buddhism is a form of Category:Vajrayana Buddhism) seems a bit strange. Certainly not all Kagyu is from Tibet. And Vajrayana spred as far as Mongolia and Siberia. On the other hand 'Tibet' and 'Buddhism' are inventions of western scholars, and maybe most people in the west use Vajrayana and Tibetan Buddism interchangably. Comments please! Billlion 16:47, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Feel free to recategorize. I've been doing cleanup from category:orphaned categories and starting from category:Buddhism there was no category for Vajrayana Buddhism. If category:branches of Buddhism can be better organized in categories and subcategories, please fix it! Rick Block 17:09, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Rick. I'll look at category:branches of Buddhism and see if I can help sort it out. If necessary I'll look for advice. Billlion 20:12, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Is it accurate to state, that Karmapa is the head of the Kagyu-school? I think he is the head of the Karma-Kagyü-School of tibetan-buddhism. There are different other Kagyu-lineageholders like the Drikungpa-lamas. I assume that Karmapa is not the head of the Drikung-school. So it is maybe better to give unter Kagyu a general introduction to Kagyu, a schoolform developed by Gampopa, by uniting the yogic and monastic form of tantric buddhism. From Gampopas diciples developed the different Kagyu-schools under wich, the Karma-Kagyu with its head Karmapa is only one of nine. (Drukpa, Drikung, Yelpa, Yoru, Krophu, Karma, Shangpa etc.) Greetings Panchito 9.12.04 10:35 CET

[edit] Dispute Over Karmapa Title

The article does not mention the disputed title of Karmapa and the two contenders. It should at very least mention this and explain both sides of the argument. For basic background on this dispute, which has split the Karma Kagyu school, refer to this article: http://www.newstatesman.com/200405170048

[edit] Tibetan words

I reverted Nathan Hill's edits as it rather difficult to revert just his obscurification of tibetan words. Nathan please feel free to reinstate your other edits, and if you like put the tibetan in your favourite romanization of the correct pronunciation in brackets after the first time each word is used. Billlion 18:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Short article

Hello,

Why is there no information on the Six Yogas of Naropa? This article is seriously short. There's ample info available on it. Maybe all this info is in other articles?

[edit] Prounciation

My local Kagyu centre pronounces it Kadjyu. I don't know if this is a common Anglicisation or not. I've not heard the pronounciation suggested in the article. Secretlondon (talk) 22:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that is how Khampas tend to pronounce it, the other pronunciation being more standard (central) Tibetan.Sylvain1972 17:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sylvain1972 (talk • contribs)

Per Tournadre and Sangda Dorje, [kácyʔ] is the correct "standard" Central Tibetan pronunciation. But please note that these are almost all sounds do not exist in English or which sound significantly different from the English versions. I would suggest that something like "Gah-djyoo" or "Gah-djyoog" might be the closest you could get using only native English sounds. Personally, I'm not sure I've really said that word out loud, but I think I would tend to make it "Kah-gyoo"—not too affected, and with a reasonable basis in historical Tibetan pronunciation.—Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 04:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)