User talk:Kablammo/Archive 4
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DYK: Turret deck ship
--PFHLai 13:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
(Please see Turret deck ship discussion for some of my comments, and yes ... it is good to be back. Jmvolc (talk) 22:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC))
Crusing On
Hi Kablammo.
This is quite an abstract general speculation. Not really about the Cruise Ship article, but about the goals of Wiki, etc. I've been a little perplexed about what to do with the new crop given the assignment to contribute to a Wiki article. Are these students interested in Wiki or solely in completing their assignments? If students get a negative reception, for example with lots of requests for Wikification, it's liable to create unnecessary controversy.
It seems like DancinChica0514 might stay around. Responsive, pleasant. Great!
But her major source is one book, and she's written a book report about it. She doesn't mention any of the themes in the rest of the article. She doesn't seem to have read or be responding to any of the comments in Talk. (She, personally, seems to be interested in the process, that's not the focus, here.) Wiki can't have a book report inserted into articles for every student who has a class assignment.
What's to be done? It seems that teachers are directing students to use Wiki for teachers' own ends, but that students aren't getting instruction about how to contribute. Since the goal of Wiki is not to provide assistance to teachers, there's a problem. Maybe it will all work itself out, after an excessive number of students complain to teachers that "mean editors" wouldn't let them complete their assignments. But that wouldn't be great for Wiki press. Hmm. Oh, well.
Regards,
Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk) 23:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the post. Last May a professor at the University of Minnesota had students write Wikipedia articles. See User:1013-josh/archive. For the most part they created new articles and had appropriate guidance from their prof, who had a well-structured approach to the task. After they started, their work attracted assistance from a number of members of the Minnesota WikiProject, which led to a good collaborative process.
- What happened here did not appear to have the same degree of oversight (aside from you and me) but the editor was very responsive and did a creditable job. Ordinarily it might have been better to have them start new articles (and her additions could easily stand as one) but this article gets so little attention that the leeway you and I gave her seemed appropriate. But to throw a new editor into Barry Bonds, for example, could be counterproductive, especially if no guidance was given.
- I think her contributions could be condensed and sourced to multiple authorities, but of course that will depend on her, or other volunteers, to do the work. But overall it was positive, and we can hope that she sticks around. Kablammo (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
A note of gratitude
Thank you for responding to my distress over the COI incident. When Wiki goes haywire, it's nice to have friends and to know that others understand how upsetting such a thing can be. Next, I am going to work on my response to the bot-folk about why it is so troubling, but first, my thanks. Kind regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Me waves at the pansy. Best wishes. -Susanlesch (talk) 23:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Pee Wee Herman
Hi. I am trying to put together a checkuser request in relation to the "Pee Wee Herman" vandal, with a view to getting the underlying IPs blocked (I have range blocked some IPs used by the vandal(s) with limited success). I am putting together a list of sockpuppets and their edits here. As I see that you have been involved in dealing with this vandalism, I am letting you know and please feel free to contribute to the list. Cheers TigerShark (talk) 23:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- I was not aware the user was a vandal until I looked at the user's other edits. The edit(s) I reverted, and the posts to my talk page, were relatively benign. Kablammo (talk) 00:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
DYK
Cheers, Daniel 08:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Bible and dates
I cannot find on my talk page where you answered. In Any event, it used reputable sources. Find better ones and subsitute your information. Mattisse 01:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
ABC
The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar | ||
I, Woody, do hereby award this barnstar to Kablammo for keeping an eye on the WP:TFA Andrew Browne Cunningham. The inevitable vandalism that the main page article recieves was reverted quickly and the users appropriately warned. Thankyou very much. Woodym555 (talk) 23:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC) |
- By the way, thanks for the nod to WP:ERROR. I have put it in my watchlist for future reference now. Thanks again. Woodym555 (talk) 23:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Rock Harbor and Windigo
Kablammo, a random thanks is due for your contribs to the Rock Harbor article - it is greatly improved. Also, thanks for adding coordinates to Windigo, and for providing one of the best edit summaries I've ever read. Glad you enjoy Wik enough to type that out...you made my day! Keeper | 76 17:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- It was not original. Years ago I read it (and more of the verse: So grab your packs and move your ass, hi-ho, hi-ho) at an outhouse at the Lake Desor campground, and it has never left my mind. (And now that you have read it, it may stay in your mind also.) Thanks for the post. Kablammo 19:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Antichrist essay
You have deleted the Antichrist essay without checking the discussion page. The page was already cleared through wikipedia. Check your resources next time. Thanks.
12.5.63.8 05:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- I have checked it, and your talk page. Essays expressing personal points of view do not belong on Wikipedia. Kablammo 11:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
RFC on Bruce1333
I've started an RFC on this user, as he is continuously adding the same block of text into the Antichrist article, to the point where it is becoming disruptive. He has ignored all attempts to communicate with him, so I've started an RFC; Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Bruce1333. You dealt with the user while he was an IP address (12.5.63.8), so I thought I should include you. Cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 17:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- [2] - Thanks for that. I had no idea how I managed to break the hash numbering. Cheers buddy. ScarianTalk 13:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
That was a weird one; thanks :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- You are more than welcome. I don't know how you manage to do all that you do on (and for) Wikipedia, but I for one am glad that you do. Regards, Kablammo 18:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, Kablammo, that was a very kind thing to say, and I appreciate it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of leaving it there to see how long it would take an admin to notice :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- I should have left it-- then the block would be permanent. It almost burned up my little laptop loading it. Kablammo (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
There are those days where fighting the vandals and the POV pushers and the meanies is just exhausting and distracting; today is one of those. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- At the risk of appearing too fulsome in my comments, I am an FOS;[1] she can always count on me for assistance. Kablammo (talk) 20:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
LOL !! Thanks, that's so kind of you :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- If you don't watch out, I'll find some clever person to enclose FOS and a picture of a bird's-foot violet in a rectangle that I can market it a userbox. Kablammo (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- You must know that true FOS
fansalways follow WP:FN, LOL !! footnote punctuation fixed above. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)- "FOS fans"? Is that like a "PIN number"?[2]
- I could claim that I was trying to catch you, but your BS detector would go haywire.(too easy)
- Even if I were to add such a userbox, no doubt you would demand citation to multiple reliable third-party sources. Kablammo (talk) 01:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- uh, oh, my prose stinks. Struck redundancy. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- You must know that true FOS
I probably won't get there 'til tonight, but I will get there! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- I guess you noticed a small distraction on my talk page, sigh. But I did get my Christmas tree, and I *will* get to it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Finally! Finished the tree, shoveled the first snow storm, and looked at Red River Trails and Geology of Minnesota. Both of them have perfectly fine citations, and on the finer points of whether or not to include the underscore for no author and how to alphabetize, I can tell you that I've never encountered anyone on FAC who reviews or cares (except me, and I don't care that much). I don't care for the underscore, but there's nothing wrong with using it. I would alphabetize by whatever you use in the footnote, so the reader knows how to find it. Brown Dog affair came through FAC with a system that used "no byline" when there was no author, which I also thought wasn't needed, but really it doesn't matter. It went to the mainpage without the reference list alphabatical, and no one noticed or cared. What you're doing is fine; the only reminder is to ask Brighterorange (talk · contribs) to run his script to fix your page ranges; the hyphens between the page numbers should be endashes. Another system you can use, if you prefer it, is at History of evolutionary thought, currently at FAC, but I don't think it's necessary to do that much work. What you've done so far is fine. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
I'm really grateful for your suggestions on the conservation tillage web site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_tillage_Systems). I did add some links and when I have more time, I'll add more! Can you help me with something. How do you get started with using the references. Can you show me how to get started on this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand-based_athletic_fields. You can see that we have some foot notes but they are not really linked to the references. Best Regards SoilMan2007 (talk) on December 6 2007.
sorry
just my mistake :( —aitias •discussion• 15:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- It happens to all of us.
Looks like the blanker has stopped-- at least for a while.[spoke too soon]. Kablammo 15:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Minnesota Demograpics
Moved to Talk:Minnesota#Minnesota_Demograpics
Red River Trails Thanks
Hello. Actually, in regards to your note, I am a new user, but I have written for money and edited magazines, tech documents, etc., for over 35 years (wow, I'm impressed). I've made a few changes to Wikipedia so far, but I'm only doing minor edits, and am trying to stay within the guidelines.
By the way, I have been studying the Red River Trails for some time. I'm planning to do a video on them, once I retire. If you're interested, I have a Google map of free campgrounds in MN, many of which are near the various Trails. It is at [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104713187722086232164.00043b1fed1f6d3d24834&z=6&om=1 ] User:Dale662 —Preceding comment was added at 15:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Sad day
Kablammo, could you possibly help me with the user who has been escalating and is now prolonging whatever on the talk page of Star Tribune? -Susanlesch (talk) 16:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Hi, Kablammo. I am going out as am sick as a god again. Off and on since I quit my job. Talk to you later I hope. Many thanks for your reply, on my talk page. -Susanlesch (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Good luck to you-- hope to see you back contributing. Take care of yourself. Kablammo (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. You are the one who taught be to focus on other people's needs once in a while. -Susanlesch (talk) 19:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- Good luck to you-- hope to see you back contributing. Take care of yourself. Kablammo (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben
Fine with me. The article could always use some expansion. Black Tusk 04:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- To my knowledge the Ottawa Graben and the Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben mean the same thing. See [3] Perhaps the other names should be added to the article? Black Tusk 17:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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- That's a good map. What I was wondering is, is the Ottawa-Bonnchere Graben just part of the Ottawa Graben? That map and this are not clear to me. If there are the same, I suggest changing the into to add "also known as the Ottawa Graben" and creating a redirect at Ottawa Graben. Kablammo (talk) 18:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- See the cite here which shows the Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben as "OBG". That's the same thing as the other map link above. But if the Ottawa Graben were another graben, it's probably part of the Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben system. See here and here as well. Black Tusk 18:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- That's a good map. What I was wondering is, is the Ottawa-Bonnchere Graben just part of the Ottawa Graben? That map and this are not clear to me. If there are the same, I suggest changing the into to add "also known as the Ottawa Graben" and creating a redirect at Ottawa Graben. Kablammo (talk) 18:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, adding a bit per Kablammo's request. I'm no expert on this, but looking at the papers it seems to me that Ottawa Graben and the Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben are indeed one and the same. The name Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben seems to have originated with Marshall Kay in 1942; the cited ref to Kumarapeli (the 1981 Smithsonian paper) seems to use both names indiscriminately. This fairly recent paper uses the name Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben. And google gets 250 hits on Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben vs. 139 for Ottawa Graben, somewhat to my surprise. So, near as I can tell, they are the same thing, and the name Ottawa-Bonnechere Graben has both precedence as well as greater use. So, I guess I'd support using that as the article name, and redirecting Ottawa Graben to it. Cheers Geologyguy (talk) 19:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
DYK nom
Royalbroil 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
--Appraiser (talk) 19:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
St. Anthony Laboratory
Kablammo, do you live close enough to Minneapolis to join Elkman and Appraiser and me for a tour at the UofM laboratory on the Mississippi in downtown sometime before mid-January? Assuming the UofM has time to give a tour and that any of us can make it. This is not universally considered to be the best time of year but you seem to know a lot about the area. I don't plan at this time to ask anyone else. Yes, it is my guess a reporter was at the meetup but how would I know. -Susanlesch (talk) 15:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
- Something tells me this is not ever going to happen before mid-January. I hope I am wrong about that. -Susanlesch (talk) 10:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I-35W Bridge
Thanks for your encouragement. I've been an avid reader of Wikipedia for years even though I just signed up for an account and I have a lot of respect for the work people have contributed. Hence, my hesitation to jump in and edit willy-nilly. The i35w bridge article is a good one that I have been following since August and I know a lot of people put a lot of thought and work into it. I guess I'm following the old advice, "Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're an idiot than open it and remove all doubt."
In any case, if I make any changes they will be minor. For instance I would substitute "local officials requested Navy divers," instead of the attribution to Sheriff Stanek. I would also re-word the "9-11 technologies" paragraph to say funding provided by the Dept. of Homeland Security enabled municipal, county and state public safety departments to upgrade their radio systems which many credit with the swift and coordinated response to the collapse. I'd leave in the link to the Bruce Schneier article.
It's a Wiki article that is flagged as a "good one" and it's cited by many around the web where the I-35W bridge is discussed; the last thing I want to do is wreck it. There's a faint underlying tone, however, that suggests someone was determined to bring in some connection - any connection - to 9-11. I think that bothered me more than anything else. Something I can't quite put my finger on just yet. JeffTracy (talk) 00:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Season's Greetings
Your username is awesome
I just like the thought of seeing a stinging rebuke somewhere signed 'Kablammo'. You should add an exclamation point to it too! Jtrainor (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your note! But I try not to engage in rebukes, much less stinging ones-- I try to let the facts speak for themselves. Still, it can be tempting . . . Regards, Kablammo (talk) 13:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Map
Sorry I wasn't clearer earlier about how to edit it. (insert lame excuses about kid keeping me busy when really I've been playing too much Team fortress 2). It's not too bad to edit, the map is a template that consists of a pic with dots overlaid on it though CSS. Template:State_parks_of_Minnesota_map.
Here is the source for one dot, which represents Afton as you can see by the link. The dots are simply given in x and y coordinates from the upper left corner of the pic. So if you wanted to fix Afton edit the template, search for "Afton" in the code, then go to the 1st coordinates after "div style=\"position: absolute; left:" that is previous to it. If you want the dot further south add to the 2nd number, north, subtract. If you want it east add to the 1st number west, subtract.
<div style=\"position: absolute; left: 169px; top: 240px; padding: 0;\"><span style=\"position:relative;overflow:hidden; width:5px;height:5px; z-index:2;\">[[Image:Red pog.svg|5px]]<span style=\"position:absolute; top:0; left:0; padding-top:3px; z-index:3;\">[[Afton State Park|<span style=\"float:left; width:5px; height:5px; font-size:10px; line-height:5px; word-spacing:2px; cursor:pointer;\"></span>]]</span></span></div>
If you have any questions feel free to ask. Thanks!!-Ravedave (talk) 18:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
DYK
Congrats! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 14:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
DYK
—Wknight94 (talk) 18:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
My reply I guess
To tell the truth I have no clue what you are talking about, I only look on wiki for information, while it is my ip address, I'm not the one who edit/add what you said. After reading the whole message, I just have this to say, I do live in Yokosuka Japan, but I did not edit the page, I'm just a high school student, I'm not interested in that stuff, and while I could have easily ignore that message, I wanted to say something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.205.118.109 (talk) 09:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. What happened is that someone editing from your IP address quite properly removed improper material from an article about a ship homeported in your city. The person who added that improper material added a note to the talk page for your IP address complaining about the removal. (The improper material has now been expunged, and the editor who added it has been blocked.) I commented on the talk page just to assure the person editing from your IP address, that he or she had done the right thing, despite the complaints made by the vandal. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 17:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
HMS Calliope
Not at all, congratulations on a very well put together article. I can answer a couple of those questions from Colledge, she became a RNVR drill ship on 29 October 1907, being renamed Helicon in July 1915. She reverted back to Calliope in October 1931, and was sold for breaking up on 4 October 1951, being broken up by Hughes Bolckow, of Blyth. If you want to work that in feel free, its nearly my bedtime ;) I'll have a look in a few other sources tomorrow if I can to see if there's anything more I can find on her career. ttfn, Benea (talk) 02:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
well done
--Victuallers (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip off re bill hart. I have changed the template and added one to William S. Hart so people can click from there too. cheers Victuallers (talk) 22:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Robert M. Pirsig
Despite your good work, The Pirsig pages are still being vandalized by sending linksto blank pages. I don't know how to correct this but hope you do. Best regards, Axel4580 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axel4580 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The links now seem to work on another computer. Axel
Question for you
Hi, Kablammo. If you have a minute, Portal_talk:Minnesota#Scenic.2F_Photographs. -Susanlesch (talk) 21:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Tenney, Minnesota
Last fall we joked about having you visit Tenney. Perhaps you'd like to make a visit this spring or summer. Think it over. :) Brain Rodeo (talk) 03:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
SS Christopher Columbus is a FAC
I have (self) nominated this article at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/SS_Christopher_Columbus. As one of the significant editors of this article by number of contributions, as well as a participant in its GA candidacy, your input would be valuable. Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 21:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- My contributions were slight, but I will watchlist the nomination and help if I can. Kablammo (talk) 22:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
We did it, SS Chris is a Featured Article!
Good comments AND good fixes... thanks very much for your input and help! ++Lar: t/c 22:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Duluth Complex
Good job turning my pitiful little one-paragraph entry into a respectable article. The Duluth Complex is nice work! Brain Rodeo (talk) 13:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Planning to have this article reviewed? I think it's genuinely impressive what you've done with it and although I've already done so, I want to congratulate you again. Really nice work. Brain Rodeo (talk) 02:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. I had no intention of taking it this far. The map mark-up by Kmusser is really good and the image graphically demonstates the text. A generalized map of the Duluth, Beaver Bay, and North Shore formations would also be good.
- I think the piece could use a timeline (whether textual or tabular) of the sequence of flows; I haven't puzzled that out yet. Vsmith intimated that he may add more on minerals. I'm not sure who would review it as I think the geology peer review process is now defunct. Kablammo (talk) 03:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
DYK nom
--Wizardman 15:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thanks
Thanks for your thoughtful (and polite) comments on my Talk page. Cheers Geologyguy (talk) 19:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- You are welcome. Congratulations on not rising to the bait. This would be a better place if others showed similar forbearance. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Very pleased
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
I hereby award you this barnstar in recognition of your invaluable contribution toward developing Wikipedia's coverage of Minnesota's natural history and landscape. Your edits have not gone unnoticed and are greatly appreciated. UBeR (talk) 05:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC) |
Your user ID...
...could not be more appropriate to the I-35W bridge article. But why stop there? I think your input on the Big Bang Theory would be perfect. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, I tried that once and someone got upset! regards, Kablammo (talk) 13:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry for being redundant. And it looks like some other folks are touchy. Apparently the Big Bang is a hot-button issue, as it were. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think that was my only foray into the article-- I was on vandalism patrol and ran into a POV pusher, but one with unusual views. I never thought the Big Bang was creationism. (Maybe the folks on both sides of the ID debate could find common ground on that point.) Regards, Kablammo (talk) 07:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know if you know this, but within a half hour of posting that stupid message to you, he was blocked indefinitely for trolling. [5] I'm assuming his nonsense was reverted? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- And I would say he's factually wrong about the Big Bang being "untestable". While you can't re-create the Big Bang, you can see whether the model of the physical universe fits the Big Bang hypothesis (explaining past events) and also see whether new knowlodge of the universe continues to fit the hypothesis (predicting future events). That's the essence of a scientific theory. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- I always thought a "Big Bang" was what Danny Gladden did in Game One and Kent "Get a vowel" Hrbek did in Game Six. You know the rest. Kablammo (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Good point. And the shortage of guys who can deliver the Big Bang is part of what ails the current Twins. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- I always thought a "Big Bang" was what Danny Gladden did in Game One and Kent "Get a vowel" Hrbek did in Game Six. You know the rest. Kablammo (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- And I would say he's factually wrong about the Big Bang being "untestable". While you can't re-create the Big Bang, you can see whether the model of the physical universe fits the Big Bang hypothesis (explaining past events) and also see whether new knowlodge of the universe continues to fit the hypothesis (predicting future events). That's the essence of a scientific theory. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know if you know this, but within a half hour of posting that stupid message to you, he was blocked indefinitely for trolling. [5] I'm assuming his nonsense was reverted? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think that was my only foray into the article-- I was on vandalism patrol and ran into a POV pusher, but one with unusual views. I never thought the Big Bang was creationism. (Maybe the folks on both sides of the ID debate could find common ground on that point.) Regards, Kablammo (talk) 07:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry for being redundant. And it looks like some other folks are touchy. Apparently the Big Bang is a hot-button issue, as it were. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)