Talk:Kabyle people
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Links to [Black Spring] point to an irrelevant article. idiotoff 19:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Genetics section
When I first read this article it was unclear why the genetics section was present. Only in the middle of the first paragraph is a brief reference to the fact that this is about *Kabyle* genetics, buried in the middle of technical jargon. Initially I deleted this section, only restoring it when I saw the same 'genetics' section in the 'Kabylia' page. The 'genetics' section needs to be revised by its author to clarify its relevance; I don't think I could without trashing the scientific terminology.
[edit] language
i don't think that it's true that 'french' and 'algerian arabic' are kabyle's languages. must i remember you that kabyle people HATE everything how's arab(for political reasons)?And about french i must remember you that it's the language of the old colonial power,ever if a lot of kabyles know it very well.so i don't think that there's a lot of kabyles who agree with the idea that french is their own language. Wikpedia is a incredible source of excellent informations,that's why i want to make it better.i suggest you to put only 'KABYLE' in the section 'language' of the 'kabyle people' article.i'm kabyle and this is the opinion of 99% of kabyles. my best salutation to you, you're doing a INCREDIBLE work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.66.128.22 (talk) 11:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] related groups
and what about the relation between kabyls and greeks? every kabyl and every greek know the similarity of our origins, languages, alphabets(greek alphabet and tifinagh alphabet),culture....but the wikipedia article don't talk about it
[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Arredi et al. 2004 HE DID NOT SAY THE PASTORALISTS CAME FROM AFRICA--INTENTIONAL MISQUOTE.
I came here after reading about Zinedine Zidane, and saw what I thought was an honest mistake or some shit... If you include studies in the text they have to be cited so everyone can see the source...
What is in the article now(from Arredi...)
->"The Y chromosome is passed exclusively through the paternal line. The composition of Y Chromozome is: 48% E3b1b (E-M81), 12% E3b* (xE3b1b), 17% R1*(xR1a) and 23% F*(xH, I,J2,K) [1]. According to this study (Arredi et al.2004) the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation (including both E3b and J haplogroups) is largely of Neolithic origin which suggests that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic–speaking pastoralists from Africa."
"...from Africa."
To my understanding the people of N Africa were from the middle east primarily (came out of east africa spreading e3b1), where afro-ASIATIC lanugages came from and were introduced to Africa through the spread of middle easternern farmers/pastoralists during the neolithic. Anybody who has taken an Anth 101 class should know that the pastoralists came from the FERTILE CRESCENT.
I have found Arredis study abstact on google, I will cite it at the bottom.. lets see what Arredi REALLY SAYS:
->"We have typed 275 men from five populations in Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt with a set of 119 binary markers and 15 microsatellites from the Y chromosome, and we have analyzed the results together with published data from Moroccan populations. North African Y-chromosomal diversity is geographically structured and fits the pattern expected under an isolation-by-distance model. Autocorrelation analyses reveal an east-west cline of genetic variation that extends into the Middle East and is compatible with a hypothesis of demic expansion. This expansion must have involved relatively small numbers of Y chromosomes to account for the reduction in gene diversity towards the West that accompanied the frequency increase of Y haplogroup E3b2, but gene flow must have been maintained to explain the observed pattern of isolation-by-distance. Since the estimates of the times to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCAs) of the most common haplogroups are quite recent, we suggest that the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation is largely of Neolithic origin. Thus, we propose that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic-speaking pastoralists from the Middle East."
"...from the Middle East."
Didt even need to look in depth to see that it was wrong. Its obvious to me that the editor is INTENTIONALLY FALSIFYING INFORMATION AND DIDNT EDIT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS...NO WAY YOU CAN QUOTE IT ALL RIGHT EXCEPT FOR THAT ALL IMPORTANT LITTLE WORD AT THE END. Assume good faith...lol. Who knows what their motivation was, but whoever it is a dumbass peice of crap and this is why wikipedia sux balls and no professor with half a goddamn brain lets you reference wikipedia. -134.121.247.116 (talk) 08:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
