Talk:Kabul

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

↓    Skip to table of contents    ↓

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Kabul article.
Article policies
This article is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:
This article has been reviewed by the Version 1.0 Editorial Team.
Version 0.7
 This article has been selected for Version 0.7 and subsequent release versions of Wikipedia.

Contents

[edit] Some info from website

Here is an interesting news item someone could incorporate into this article [1] . Kingturtle 18:52, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

From Khulm:

Kabul, city in east central Afghanistan, capital of the country and Kabul Province. Kabul is on the Kabul River, situated at an elevation of about 1800 m (about 5900 ft) making it one of the highest capital cities in the World. The population is around 1 million people. The nation's chief economic and cultural center, it has long been of strategic importance because of its proximity to the Khyber Pass, an important pass in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Manufactures of the city include textiles, processed food, chemicals, and wood products. Tajiks are the predominant population group of Kabul, and Pashtuns are an important minority. Kabul University (founded in 1932) had been the country's most important institute of higher education prior to its closure due to war in 1992. The university was the best known in the region in the 1970 and 1980's. The university now is being partially reopened and only a few students are returning. The University needs much reconstruction in order to operate normally.

An ancient community, Kabul rose to prominence in 1504, when it was made the capital of the Moghul Empire by the conqueror Babur. Delhi replaced it as the imperial capital in 1526, but Kabul remained an important Moghul center until it was captured, in 1738, by the Persian ruler Nadir Shah. In 1747 Kabul became part of an independent Afghan state, and in the 1770s it replaced Qandahar as the capital of Afghanistan. It was a focus of British, Persian, and Russian rivalry for control of the Khyber Pass in the 19th century, when it was twice occupied (1839-1842 and 1879-1880) by British troops. The city grew as an industrial center after 1940.

Kabul was occupied by troops of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1979; the USSR withdrew from Afghanistan on Feb. 15, 1989. The city has gone through the toughest and most disastrous civil war in its history between 1992-1996. Over 50,000 people lost their lives during the Mujahideen infightings on the streets of Kabul in 1992-1996 period. The city has been under the control of the Taliban government since 1996 and ended in 2001. The Northern Alliance took over the city as the Taliban withdrew from Kabul and retreated southwards. The fate of the city is yet to be known. The role of UN and World community is important in bringing a stable government in Kabul.

Infrastructures such as roads and traffic system, telephone system, electricity, water sanitation, renovation of buildings are in shambles and the need for reconstruction is very much needed to bring back the city of Kabul to a better place for living. http://www.afghan-network.net/Culture/kabul.html

removed as it seems to be about Kabul. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Khulm. Andrewa 06:23, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Total Revamp

I'm gonna try and totally revamp the page as the information provided is both out of order and seriously lacks images. I'm still learning how to use images on wikipedia and I have a huge number of photos myself. Let me see what can be done. For the moment I just added one picture. More coming probably before Thursday.

P.S. Sorry if I'm messing up a bit. I'm a newbie ;) Casimiri 20:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Land area

Does anybody know the land area of the city proper of Kabul? Thanks. Polaron 00:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi

Someone has been adding the Hindi translation of Kabul and someone keeps taking it out. I have no stance on whether or not it should be in the article but perhaps we discuss it here before we start an edit war. --MarkBuckles 22:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kabul big catching up to do

Casimiri...you took very long time...so I decided to do your work. I hope you don't mind me taking couple of your pictures and placing them on the Kabul article? well...I'm sure you don't mind but I wanted to explain this so you know. I would like to see more latest images of interesting places added to the tourism and sightseeing section. The ones I'm hoping to find should be related to the Gardens in Kabul. The reason is that most of the city is under construction so it looks bad to see gray cement buildings with people doing construction work...not good. But trees, flowers, people just enjoying their selves in the famouse parks would be good to show in the tourism section. NisarKand 8:13 AM, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kabul City

User:Ariana310, I noticed that you are confused here. This article is about the city Kabul, NOT ABOUT Kabul Province. Therefore, your recent-added statements are refering to the Province of Kabul, not to the city of Kabul. Please try to understand between the city of Kabul and the Province of Kabul. Your statements should be removed from this article and added to the article Kabul Province. Thanx! Pashtun Nov. 28, 2006

No, in fact, Kabulistan refers to the old city of Kabul. The term "province" is a new Political and Administrative term. The case of Kabulistan is in a right article. Ariana310 00:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You've indicated lots of statements without any reliable sources. You've also indicated that Kapisa, Peshawar, Chitral and Nurestan were all included in the city of Kabul. That's like saying Connecticut, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC were all included in the vicinity of New York City at once. Again, you are confused between the city of Kabul and Kabul Province. This article is ONLY about the Kabul City and has nothing to do with the Province of Kabul. I guess you are not willing to learn or acknowledge anything I say to you. So therefore, I will go find administrators so that they can solve this dispute here. Pashtun Nov. 28, 2006

I will soon provide sources for each point that I have written, at the moment I am busy with my exams at university. I already told you that the Kabul Province is a new Administrated and Political section within the new government of Afghanistan, or even let's take it since 1919. So that's the reason that I did no mention Kabulistan in that article.
Moreover, if you read the historical books, you observe it directly that Kabulistan was used to attribute for a region covering a vast territory. I will soon provide you the sources about Kabulistan, Kabulshahan or Ratbelshahan, etc.
As for resolving the discussion, if you really think that the only way to come to an agreement would be the interference of an Administrator instead of waiting to see my arguments and sources, then you are free for it. Thank you Ariana310 13:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


I just added two sources: one for the term Kabulistan and another in which it shows that Kabul covered a larger region, you can see in that book that the author even talks about Peshawar under the title of Kabul. Ariana310 13:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I added the following sources for what I wrote in the article:

  • In most of the historical books as well as the Dari (Persian) literature books, the word Kabulistan has been used HERE Just in the beginning, it has been mentioned the definition of Kabulistan.
  • Kabulistan comprised cities like Kapisa (to the north) and Peshawar (to the south) HERE This is an old book. The author talks about Peshawar under the section of Kabul, and takes Peshawar as part of Kabulistan. Even he has given the title as the country of Kabulistan.
  • From the Memoirs of Babur: Although Bajour, Sawād, Pershāwer, and Hashnaghar* originally belonged to Kābul; yet at the present date some of these districts have been desolated, and others of them entirely occupied by the tribes of Afghans, so that they can no longer be properly regarded as provinces. HERE

Here are other sources for my other points, but I didn't put them in the article because they weren't direct:

  • From the end of 6th century until the Islamic invasion in late 7th century, Kabulistan had its own kingdom called Kabulshahan or Ratbelshahan. Here It says: the ancient Kabul city walls constructed on the ridges of the Asamaii and Shair Darwaza mountains during the reign of Kabul Shahan against Arab invasion
  • This article gives a good definition: Arabs in Afghanistan
  • Another article from PashtunFoundation.org CHECK HERE
  • Article from afghanan.net about Pashtuns HERE

Now, I would like to ask you to remove the TotallyDisputed Tag. I did not remove it, despite that I provided sources for each point that I wrote, and let it for you as you yourself added the tag. Thank you Ariana310 18:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sweety, I'm not at a war with you, just trying to help you as much as I can. Almost everyone get confused with Kabul city and Kabul Province, so that's not a big thing. I am explaining to you that Kabulistan does not mean city. It could've been a name of a country, state, nation, county, province, anything except a city. This article is only limited to the city of Kabul. If you were looking from the sky, and you focused only on the city limits of Kabul and writing an article about it, then I'm sure you would not be mentioning far away place from Kabul city. You've even inluded or mentioned names of places as faraway as Peshawar in Pakistan, as if Peshawar was once the other end of Kabul city. LOL, that's just crazy. It's something like 8 hours drive from Kabul city to Peshawar city, with nothing but deserts and mountains in between. What you want to say is that Kabul once belonged to a place called Kabulistan. That makes more sense, and there is no need to try to explain how huge Kabulistan was because that has nothing to do with the city of Kabul. You may add more about Kabulistan into the article of Kabul Province. I will try to help you with this but give me some time because I am also busy on other things. About the total dispute, what's the big deal if it's there, let others join our discussion here. By the way, I hope you pass your exam. Pashtun Nov. 29, 2006


"Sweety"?!!.....Never mind ! So the only disputed point for you is the case of Kabulistan. And the tag of totally disputed is only for that? Can't you tolerate 4 lines about Kabulistan in the article of Kabul? Here are my reasons for adding Kabulistan in Kabul article:
  • This article (Kabul) only deals with Kabul, nothing has been fixed as Kabul City or Kabul Province. It (Kabul) is a general article about Kabul, that's all.
  • Kabul Province is a new Administration and Political division within the new government of Afghanistan. It only deals with today's province of Kabul.
  • The history about Kabul has been written in the article of Kabul and not in Kabul Province. So since the full history is in the article of Kabul, it would be appropriate to add it in Kabul article.
If you copy all the history related to Kabul to the article of Kabul Province and take all the related responsibility, then I will remove the Kabulistan paragraph from the article of Kabul. ::Thank you Ariana310 07:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic composition of Kabul

Does anyone here know the ethnic compostion of Kabul? Does it have a definate majority? Tajiki

Tajiks are the majority, followed by Pashtuns. Then the minorities are Hazaras and Uzbeks. Parsiwan 20:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The majority are indeed Tajiks, followed by Hazaras and Pashtuns. Please see the map:
[2]
Tājik 00:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't object to or dispute this information since it is a latest map that can be used to determine the latest information of the ethnic distribution of Afghanistan as a whole. Therefore, this map should replace the older one (1980 map) used in Demographics of Afghanistan. This map showes exactly where each ethnic groups live.--NisarKand 22:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The map is copyrighted, see [3]. I have deleted it as it's definately not from the BBC, but from National Geogrpahic. Khoikhoi 05:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The population of Kabul is estimated in all regards until a proper census is conducted, which right now is the least of Afghanistan's worries. Most reports do estimate a Persian-speaking majority (Tajiks and Hazaras combined) with Pashtuns as the largest minority at this time (how this will be impacted by the return of more refugees is speculative). Tombseye 21:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right. In 2002, Kabul had a population of anywhere between half million to 1 million...according to reports. Now, the population has risen to anywhere between 3 million to 4 million. This obviously makes the 2002 map unreliable. The problem is that most ethnic Pashtuns in Kabul speak Persian language (Dari or Farsi)...it makes it more difficult to know who is an ethnic Pashtun and who isnt. At the same time, many Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks can also speak Pashto very well and this further makes it difficult. I don't think it's that important anyway...as I am Pashtun and if it satisfies you non-Pashtun people by placing my ethnic at the very end....you may go ahead and it doesn't change the reality in Kabul. I knoticed among some people, always wishing to see less Pashtuns everywhere. I say...God is in control and he will take care of these evil thinkers or evil wishers.--NisarKand 17:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I totally and very strongly dispute Tajiks and Hazaras being the majority in Kabul City, on latest gathering of important information. There are close to 4 million people living in Kabul city which makes it over 10% of the entire population Afghanistan, so how is it possible for Tajiks (minority) to be the majority of Kabul's up to 4 million people? and Hazaras (9% of entire population of Afghanistan) to be higher then the 42% of majority Pashtuns. This does not in any way make sense.--NisarKand 20:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Just accept the sources, NisarKand! You have been given a source (National Geographic, and simply ACCEPT that. If you have a better source, then it's fine. But as long as you have nothing else but your own nationalistic-motivated POV, keep quiet and accept the source! Tājik 01:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with getting sources to the truth....the Internet is full of it and I know how to read and write in English language. I will get sources soon. In fact, I will get sooo much sources and hit you with it so hard that you will have depression for a whole year. You have you nationlistic name "Tajik" as your User:Name and telling me I am nationalistic. Besides, you are not considered a Tajik anyway but a small tiny minority of Kizilbash. As a Pashtun...we Pashtuns rule Kabul and the whole country...along with half of Pakistan....you want to say that the leaders of Afghanistan are Tajiks, which is false. Anyway...Kabul now has 3 times more population than what it was in 2002. Don't burn yourself when you see higher number of Pashtuns, it's not healthy.--NisarKand 03:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Nisarkand, might I remind you that this is not an internet forum. You seem very emotinal, this is not a place for feelings but for facts and truth. Also, you seem to be arguing rather than discussing, this section is for discussion not emotional arguments. I just wanted to remind you of that. Also, I will now add the following header:

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Kabul article.
Article policies

User:Beh-nam 03:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kabul Province's districts and its population

Let me copy the list of Kabul Province's districts, with its population and ethnic composition. I thought it will be helpful for others if they came across this page.

The estimation of Kabul province's and its districts population is made by the Central Statistics Office of Afghanistan (LINK) (2006), followed by the ethnic-composition estimations (1990) by AIMS (Afghanistan Information Management Services) (LINK):

  1. Kabul (district) - 2,536,300 (45% Tajik, 25% Pashtun, 25% Hazara) [taken from here ]
  2. Deh-sabz - 47,900 (70% Pashtun, 30% Tajik)
  3. Mir-bacha Kot - 46,300 (95% Tajik, 5% Pashtun)
  4. Kalakan - 26,900 (90% Tajik, 10% Pashtun)
  5. Qara Bagh - 67,700 (60% Tajik, 40% Pashtun)
  6. Farza - 19,100 (50% Tajik, 50% Pashtun)
  7. Istalif - 29,800 (98% Tajik)
  8. Guldara - 20,300 (50% Tajik, 50% Pashtun)
  9. Shakardara - 72,900 (90% Tajik, 10% Pashtun)
  10. Paghman - 106,6 (70% Pashtun, 30% Tajik)
  11. Chahar Asyab - 32,500 (50% Tajik, 50% Pashtun and Hazara)
  12. Musahi - 20,700 (95% Pashtun, 5% Tajik)
  13. Khaki Jabbaar - 12,800 (95% Pashtun, 5% Tajik)
  14. Bagrami - 49,200 (80% Pashtun, 20% Tajik)
  15. Suroobi - 49,200 (90% Pashtun, the rest Pashai)

TOTAL - 3,138,100

What I calculated, I found the proportions as 50% Tajik, 25% Pashtun, 20% Hazara and 5% other ethnic minorities. Only the Kabul city makes the 80% of the entire population of Kabul province.Ariana310 10:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

My friend go to aims.org.af and then do your calculations with the correct numbers not with the innacurate numbers posted here. Also can you ask the person who posted the numbers according to statistic Afghanistan provide the exact number on their website. For the past 4-5 years I haven't noticed anything there. IDIOTS!--209.202.115.142 (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)THETRUTH

[edit] History section disputed

Please show or provide credible information regarding that Kabul was part of or a state of Khorasan in the past. It must be (1)convincing information, (2) it must be in the English language and (3) it must not be from some unimportant or not well known person's personal point of view. Meaning it should and must be from well known scholars or any reliable encyclopedia. Finally, please do not remove the disputed tag until I am satisfied with the information requested. Thank you!--NisarKand 17:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


These people have no credable source nor do they rely on any reliable source to back thier fake information and self claimed fact. About 90% of thier information is based on lies and no such reliable source. They put down bunch of numbers and claim it to be from Statistic Afghanistan while I have visited the site million times and haven't come across any of those numbers. They copy and past district numbers from AIMS, but then change most of the numbers and have 'AIMS as its source. When you visit the site you can see the difference to those numbers.' The other day I came across GOVERNMENT SOURCE in MRRD SITE where it states all the important information needed.'

SIXTY-SIX PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS SPEAK PASHTO IN KABUL, but in Wikipedia it has false information. Kabul Province with Ghazni which is put as Pashtun province in AIMS it is recorded as Tajik and Hazara Province. These people will do anything to spread lies but they forget truth always prevails. --209.202.115.142 (talk) 18:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New City Infobox

User:MJCdetroit changed to the standardize City template. The previous template actually matches Indian city templates which looks a lot better than this generic template. There are also some problems with this one such as the current city location is incorrect. And even though this is a "standardize" template it neither matches neighboring countries or even other cities in Afghanistan. Do we want to use it? --MarsRover 05:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates: 34°31′59″N 69°09′58″E / 34.533, 69.166
Kabul
کابل
Image:Central Kabul 2006.jpg
Central Kabul

Kabul
Province Kabul
Coordinates 34°31′59″N 69°09′58″E / 34.533, 69.166
Population  (2005)[1]
 2,994,000 (1st)
UN estimate of city proper
City Districts Divided to 18 administrative and municipal districts or boroughs
Area
Time zone UTC+4:30 Kabul
Mayor Rohullah Aman
Chief of Police General Mohamad Salem Ihsas, is the current police commander.
Kabul, Afghanistan
کابل
Image:Central Kabul 2006.jpg
Central Kabul
Location of Kabul in Afghanistan
Kabul, Afghanistan
Location of Kabul in Afghanistan
Coordinates: 34°31′59″N 69°09′58″E / 34.533, 69.166
Country Afghanistan
Province Kabul
Districts Divided to 18 administrative and municipal districts or boroughs
Mayor Rohullah Aman
Chief of Police Asmatullah Dawlatzai [2]
Elevation 1,790 m (5,870 ft)
Population (2005)[3]
 - Total 2,994,000
  UN estimate of city proper
Time zone GMT+04:30 Kabul (UTC+4:30)



I think the previous one was better, both because of its design/appearance, and because it matches the infobox of other cities of Afghanistan. I think we should use the old one.Ariana310 09:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, there does seem to be a problem with Infobox City's dot map when viewed using IE. I'll revert the changes that I made for now. The Infobox Afghan City was created about a month ago and is based on an automatic dot location map. Infobox city already has this feature if the map is available at Template:Location map (which Afganistan is not at the present). The idea should not be to develop infoboxes for every country but to use one standard template that functions and displays information in a similar fashion. Instead of developing a new infobox template, an Afgan map in orthographic projection should have been developed. That way a user can view different cities from different countries and see a similar looking infobox for each, London, New York, Montreal, Mexico City, Abu Dhabi, Amsterdam, Baghdad and close to 4,000 other page use {{Infobox City}} (or one of its aliases). The header color is nice on the Afghan City and I have tried to implement this feature at Infobox City but there were too many objections. —MJCdetroit 17:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kabul Map

I did not find the author or the user who uploaded this map, but this map is incorrect in many places. It has traced incorrectly the location of the units which is shown and the plan of streets in many places is wrong. Although it is marked that it is based on the CIA Kabul map and Nancy Dupree's map of 1980's, the plan of the city has completely changed in these 20 years. Those who have been or who live in Kabul, can easily see the errors.

So would you like to keep this map? -Ariana310 09:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I uploaded the map which I think is needed for this article since not too many people have been to Kabul. Its based on old maps but it includes only major roads and places that I thought wouldn't have changed in 20 years (airport, downtown, etc). This map is a vector file so its easy to fix problems such as moving streets and changing labels. Can you tell me what is incorrect and I will see if I can fix it? MarsRover 17:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The map of the downtown is incorrect; some main grand streets have been omitted in the map. Plus, units like Ministry of Justice (now it is Ministry of Defense in that position, and Ministry of Justice is moved down to the Pashtunistan Square), Republican Palace (does not exist now, it is Ministry of Foreign Affairs but not exactly in that position because its main road is omitted in the map), and the name of some areas have been changed, for example Karta-e Denaw has been renamed to Khushhal Khan Mina. Anyhow, we can keep it for instance until we find or make a proper map, because it seems abit clean. -Ariana310 21:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try to fix those things. Let me know if you see anything else wrong. MarsRover 00:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New map from AIMS

The Afghanistan Information Management System has released a new very detailed and accurate map of Kabul city. It can be seen here. Maybe you guys can do an update based on this new AIMS map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.16.84 (talk) 05:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chabolo

Chabolo is a reference to a town in Palestine which also happens to be called Kabul. It bears no relation to the city in Afghanistan. See, e.g., the text in the books that come up with the search "Kabul + Chabolo" Google Books. --Bejnar (talk) 22:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion on use of Christian or Common Era in this article (copied from John Hill's Talk Page)

[edit] Kabul

Hi John, I know this is a while ago, but I've just come across this edit of yours [4] at Kabul. The summary you gave was "a few additions", but the edit consisted for the most part of replacing the BC notation, used from the outset of the article, with the BCE notation. I think "a few additions" is stretching it somewhat, unless you meant the addition of 'E' to 'BC'. As I'm sure you know, changes such as the one you made don't comply with the Wikipedia policy, especially when the edit summary doesn't explain what's being done. Can you recall why this change was made? I'm thinking of reverting it, but would welocme your comments first. Thanks, 82.20.19.200 (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply on use of Common Era

Hi! Well, yes, this was indeed a long time ago - October 2005 as I discovered on serching - an edit I made early in my "Wiki career". I made 4 changes of era names in that edit (plus added a phrase of text) from the Christian era nomenclature, ie. I changed BC = "before Christ" and AD = Anno domini = "Year of our Lord" to the newer, but neutral and more widely acceptable BCE ("Before Common Era") and CE ("Common Era") for several reasons:

1. It does not seem seem appropriate to use a Christian-based era to date events in a country which is almost totally Muslim. This is rather similar to dating events in, for example, Roman history in the Hegira era - 622 CE (or AD) marking the first year of the Islamic calendar, or 1 AH (anno higirae)]. It would be surprising to me if Christian Italians (and probably other Christian groups) did not complain if someone started doing this.

2. Both Muslim and Jewish scholars have complained to me about the use of the "Christian Era" for dating, who preferred the use of the "Common Era" and several have suggested I use it in my writings.

3. The use of the "Christian Era" was introduced around the world by European imperial powers who made a point of ignoring local eras (such as the Saka Era in India or the Hejira Era in Muslim countries) and substituting their own era and system of dating on their colonies and in the scientific and historical literature.

4. The so-called "Christian Era" is misleading anyway as almost all scholars - including Christian ones - now agree that it is most unlikely that Jesus was born in 1 AD. But, because the "Common Era" has been decided to start in 1 AD, and this is just a convenient decision, it does not imply any particlar accuracy in relation to historical events and does not carry with it religious or imperialistic overtones.

I hope that explains my decision. I don't, myself, feel very strongly about the use of one over the other (and it is very easy to get used to both - as they are so similar), but I do think it best not to unnecessarily annoy people of other cultures and faiths. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 08:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi John, Thanks for getting back to me. Under the circumstances it would not now seem appropriate to change the long-standing edits on Kabul. I would, however, make a couple of points; Kabul is not a religious topic, it is a geographic topic. Secondly, when looking at issues such as these, it is the readership that matters rather than the subject. The English Wikipedia is aimed at English-speaking people, who, by-and-large are much more familiar with AD/BC than CE/BCE, and don't, so far as I am aware, generally object to its use. If there is a Hebrew Wikipedia then I would expect dates to be given using the Hebrew calendar, even for Christian-related events and subjects. I find it strange that Muslim and Jewish scholars should object to AD/BC when they have their own calendar that they are free to use. Regards, Chris. 82.20.19.200 (talk) 11:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Chris! Kabul is certainly not a religious topic per se, but it is the capital of a strongly Muslim country. I see BC and AD as inaccurate anomalies - although I agree they are widely recognised. However, it's up to you - either system is fine with me though the use of CE and BCE seem to be more widely used by scholars these days - particularly by non-Christian scholars. Anyway, whatever you do, I suggest having a look at the Wikipedia article on the Common Era and consider why the use of the so-called "Christian Era" may be offensive to some. Best wishes, John Hill (talk) 03:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] kabul

u forgot to mention wzir-khan district —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zekeria Ebrahimi (talk • contribs) 21:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)