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[edit] Happy Birthday!

I wish you all the best. Tankred 17:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Boldog szuletesnapot! M A Mason 18:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back and happy birthday. No videos this time, but I have two jokes for you:

a) - Did you know Gheorghe Funar has Hungarian blood?
- Oh?
- Yes, on the hood of his car!

b) Ceauşescu was hosting one of his big patriotic spectacles. At one point, he asked a boy:
- "What's your name, dear son of Dacia and her glorious fighters, and of Trajan and his mighty warriors?"
- "Gyula." Biruitorul 00:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

LOL – Alensha talk 13:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Szigeti

The infobox is generally just an easy way for users looking for a very brief overview to easily find information. Whether or not we encourage it, lots of people are just looking for quick reference facts, like the members of a band or when a person started/stopped performing. It also helps standardize the appearance of our articles. Right now, the article looks to be in decent condition. Here are a few things you can do:

  • Only the first word of a header should be capitalized unless there are proper nouns. For example, "American Debut" should be "American debut".
  • It looks like your sources are books. In that case, it's best to just include the author and page number in the reference. Put <references/> in a "Notes" section, and add the full information about the references in a "References" section.
  • The article will probably need to be more thoroughly cited.
  • Image:Szigeti.jpg does not state who the copyright holder is. It needs to state that or the image will eventually end up getting deleted.
  • You might want to list it at WP:LOCE now; they have a long backlog, so the article probably won't be reviewed any FAC that you do if you wait too long. There are minor issues like the apostrophe in "Ernest Bloch‘s" that need to be fixed.

So you know, the B rating is generally the highest rating given. The article would probably need a peer review from WPP:BIO to get A class. ShadowHalo 05:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

If you can't find the copyright holder, you might be able to find a public domain image. If there are any pictures where the author died in 1937 or before, you can tag them with {{PD-old}}. Also, if there are any pictures of him published in the U.S. before 1923, they'd be in the public domain as well. Good luck with the article, and let me know if you need any help. ShadowHalo 06:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I see it is not your birthday anymore

;)

Oh well, a belated Happy Birthday to you. —  $PЯINGrαgђ  17:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. :) I had an idea about Liszt and his symphonic poems, no time to describe it again, but it's on Mason's talk page, check it out and let me know what you think.K. Lásztocska 18:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi KL, happy belated birthday, and thanks for the kind words. I miss you too (sob!) - actually this has been among the worst months ever - I'll not go into it as it's completely unencyclopaedic. I promise to be back as before, but not soon unfortunately. I see you are doing well here (as I predicted...ahem!) István 03:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

I'd be glad to say something nice to him. I'm glad to hear about your apparent conversion to monarchism (do elaborate if you have a chance), though I would balance Colbert and Stewart with some Lou Dobbs and Bill O'Reilly. Biruitorul 05:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Aha. Here's your man, as Hungarian as he is Austrian! Indeed, that is called weak monarchism and was quite common in the 1999 Australian referendum on the monarchy, where many people wondered, "Who needs another politician in Canberra? We might as well retain the nearly-invisible Queen." Of course I, believing Her Majesty has a Divine Right to rule Australia, intimately cherishing all aspects of royalism in Australia, and deeply ruing the fact that she was dropped as Defender of the Faith there, and that her name is no longer mentioned in enacting formulae due to the insidious machinations of the treasonous, fanatically republican Labor Party, view such people as merely standing in the doorway of monarchism, as opposed to myself, who am fully inside its coatroom - though no further, for as a member of a lower social class, it would be unseemly for me to advance any further into its inner sanctum. Or something like that.
I thought O'Reilly was fair and balanced! Never heard of Florence King, but I will look into her writings. I especially like British writers such as Roger Scruton or Theodore Dalrymple. Biruitorul 16:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names

I am sorry for such an end of the discussion at the Hungarian notice board. I think your idea of having an infobox rule that we all could follow was not at all bad. But it seems it is unfeasible right now. Tankred 16:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

It is not so bad. We clash from time to time and those clashes are quite visible on talk pages. But in the meantime, we are creating and expanding articles and that is what matters. Sometimes we launch a ridiculous edit war over inclusion of one word. But there are usually thousands other words in the same article. And that is what readers really see. Cheer up! :-) Tankred 18:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Puskas Ferenc.jpg

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Fine, fine, rules are rules....*grumble*...K. Lásztocska 16:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

My first suggestion would be to dispatch the specially-trained Wikipedia death squad (death squads being on my mind lately) to liquidate him. Barring that: hmm. You know, the thing I've found is that even if someone is rude, disruptive, etc. but doesn't add much content (I think you know who), it's very hard to [insert cartoon image of lever being pulled and performer falling through stage]. You have to set the trap very carefully, and spring it at the right moment (assuming this guy isn't a total fool and issues outright unacceptable personal attacks). For instance, as I understand it, in an RfC, you need to show evidence of trying to resolve a specific conflict - it's not a general invitation to comment on that user (at least not officially). Maybe a Wikiquette alert to begin with? Then again, this all drains away lots of energy and I for one am not here to concoct conspiracies against disruptors, which is why I end up letting them get away with so much. Eventually some administrator should invoke WP:IAR and send him down into that chute beneath the stage.
By the way, I complained about that guy privately to several administrators, but none seemed to care very much. It seems to require a lot to really get their attention. See this, for example. Do ponder some of this, and I may have more to say later. Biruitorul 23:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Vaclav havel.jpg

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[edit] Image:Vaclav havel.jpg

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[edit] Prague Spring for FA?

Hello. I consider your idea about improving the Prague Spring article and promoting it to FA very interesting. You did a really good job with Hungarian Revolution of 1956. I would also be very happy to cooperate on something similar. Recently I find myself busy in the real life, but I hope I will be able to join later (but not sooner than in July). I also hope that more people will respond. If not, they might join after the work is started and after they see some progress was made. Jan.Kamenicek 21:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Transylvania-stub}}

Hi - I see you have recently created a new stub type. As it states at Wikipedia:Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Wikipedia, it is recommended that new stub types are proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any rationale for this stub type. And please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 01:06, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

S'alright. The main problem with this one is that countries are usually split up by current official subnational regions, and I'm pretty sure that transylvania is only a historic region and isn't used for current splits (with some countries changing their regional boundaries quite frequently, it could get very messy otherwise!). I could be wrong on its current status, though... hopefully someone who knows more about Romanian geography will be able to add more info at WSS/D. Grutness...wha? 01:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VinceB again

Hi. I think we both agree that the "new" IP is not a new user (a newbie, just by coincidence spamming user talk pages of administrators and WP:ANI few days after joining Wikipedia). Perhaps you think it is someone else, but I have a good reason to believe it is a sockpuppet of VinceB. That IP has reinserted VinceB's old edit, uses his specific style of communication, and belongs to VinceB's ISP. Believe me or not, I would have been very very happy if VinceB had decided to leave Wikipedia after his ban and ten new Hungarian users had joined Wikipedia instead. By the way, there are several Hungarian IPs, which I do not know, editing anonymously every day. I do not call them sockpuppets. This is not a crusade against Hungarian IPs. It is merely an attempt to enforce a ban of one extremely disruptive sockpuppeter. Tankred 23:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thank you

Thank you for trying to speak to their minds, yes it is like a paranoia. However, despite your efforts, this gone insane. And now you started too. I do not know, what debates you have with Vince or VinceB or however you like to call it, but I'm tired of being constantly harrased of being a sockpuppet, by some vandals, who use this as an exuse to spead their ideologies and delete everything what is against that. I've corrected the he/she thing before your comment (or after?) with a summary: "terribly sorry" :) However, I appreciate your efforts to open their eyes, but as you see, it was totally worthless. As mine too. I sometimes edit on enwiki, but I do not feel the need to have an own username. Maybe once, when not paranoia will rule. Cheers, --91.120.113.31 00:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Look, I don't know if you're Vince or not. You are starting to remind me of him, but in other ways you don't. I really hope you aren't Vince, because if you are, I've ruined my wiki-credibility for ever. K. Lásztocska 00:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
You have built your credibility by your edits, civil behavior, mediation, and acts of random kindness. That cannot be ruined so easy:-) But I am pretty sure it is VinceB. If I had time, I could easily find the sentence "I'm tired of being constantly harrased of being a sockpuppet, by some vandals, who use this as an exuse to spead their ideologies and delete everything what is against that" written by his previous incarnations. I have already heard those words. Tankred 00:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not. How can I prove it without doubt? --91.120.113.31 00:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You can't, that's the problem. Maybe if you stopped making the same edits that Vince made to the Horthy article, that would be a start. Go write about football or something. K. Lásztocska 00:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 :) Yeah, not a bad idea. At least (I'm sure, that) significantly less paranoid people are editing there :)) BTW what same edits? Honestly, I clicked on all of the 50 "last" buttons on Horthy's history, and I did not find any mention of

books, wich are obviously not Hungarian-made books, but by Americans. And I'm pretty sure, "Miha Tavcar", or "Thomas Sakmyster" are not ethnic Hungarian names. Those are the best books in english about Horthy, and they all containing my edit. However Golubovic is a politically motivated author, who's book is everything but neutral, or factual. This is a long thing, I don't want to bore you with this. Who's aware of the literatue about and around Horthy, knows that Golubovic is as good as Irving to Holocaust. I hope, I didn't said anthing similar linke VinceB does (did?) :))) --91.120.113.31 00:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

But all that would show is that you found new books. Please don't assume I am here to defend you, I just made an observation on the admin noticeboard and promptly found myself sucked into this absurdist play. I don't know anything about Golubovic. You really do have a similar writing voice as Vince, which I hope is just evidence that your first language is Hungarian. K. Lásztocska 00:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: anonymous...

How so? You are a Hungarian and therefore almost expected to edit articles related to Hungarians (I didn't want to put too much pressure on there). Liszt was Hungarian, you can't put it any other way. His father even worked at the same court that Franz Joseph Haydn did. It is true that there are German roots in his line, but was he born in Germany? NO. Despite the fact that his birthplace is now in Austria, he was born in Hungary; that at least makes him partly Hungarian by nationality if not ethnicity. (I myself am Irish. I was, am, and will always be. Had I been born in America and not in Ireland I would consider myself Irish and American, not just American. See my point?)

What I'm trying to say is please do not under any circumstance just give up. I support you fully in this and I encourage you as much as I possibly can to go on. I'll even join in the reverts more than I have been. ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  08:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sadly not. I think we can't block IP addresses indefinately, and we don't have enough evidence. Just make sure you have a lot of rock-solid references whenever he next comes around. :) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  18:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Well just watch Talk: and Franz Liszt and their histories for a while until he sulks back into his corner for a while. ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  19:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vince

Yeah, you're right, I read frequently wikipedia, to report the impersonators of me (last two: [1], [2]) but I always do that mistake, that I report or comment on Tankred and PANONIAN about how do they use this situation, and why is this good for them (and why won't these never ever stop despite the fact, the fact, that I only report impersonators, since I was blocked) for their POV pushin. By not simply requesting, but reporting, and also commenting, they manage to deny all my claims for real investigation, claiming (wich is true) that those IPs, wich requested investigation, were me. No wonder, they defend duck test so deliberately. They would immediately been revealed if ever a real checkuser case would take place. More in e-mail, you can send me, by clicking "e-mail this user" on User:VinceB. Try to think about, why did many sock accounts appeared instantly after my ban, while before it, there was none, just IPs, when I was not logged in. No voting abuse, or any wich are prohibited by wiki policies. Start to wonder, why no real checkusers were indicated on any of my new sockpuppets, and why do they find them immediately, within seconds, and so deliberately call them my sockpuppets, and present those in a way, where noone would spend time to check it. Pls, send an e-mail. -- Vince --195.56.51.183 12:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Although I believe, all of hungarian users diliked me, so I would not be suprised if it turns out, that some of you (one of the hungarian users) are those IPs, and do this, to "take revenge" on me, and/or such. --195.56.51.183 12:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to send you an e-mail because I don't have wikimail enabled. I cannot possibly have been any of the IPs trying to get "revenge" on you, I don't even live in Hungary so my IP address is totally different. (Also I would never stoop so low as to impersonate someone else to discredit them.) I made a big mistake in ever getting involved in this issue, please don't write to me anymore in the future. K. Lásztocska 13:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B/bell H/hooks

If it was any other editor in the Feminine Mystique article, I would have reverted that edit >:( but I don't want to revert you. But I think Wikipedia should respect the rules of grammar over individual choices. (These lowercase names are a really really big pet peeve of mine. :-) Anyway, I hope next time someone reignites the debate over this, there'll be a conclusion, since right now there doesn't seem to be any agreements about this... :( – Alensha talk 14:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further re

I know of at least one other user like that - great contributor, but arrogant, and uses 3RR and other brinksmanship to stay just within the bounds of the rules. Of course, since Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, it shouldn't be that hard to dislodge him. My original idea still stands: next time he misbehaves, make a reasonable attempt to resolve the dispute, and when that doesn't work, it's grounds for an RfC. Unfortunately, mediation or arbitration are only steps in a longer process, once other avenues have been exhausted. Like you can't normally file a case directly to the Supreme Court, so too you need to go through other steps before reaching those. Biruitorul 15:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly - let's wait until we have no other distractions going on. If he's been very bad until now, he'll continue to do so in the future, I'm sure. The opportunity for a conspiratorial RfC will doubtless arise, but for now your primary priority should be the concert, which is ultimately much more important. Good luck. Biruitorul 15:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think life is too short to tackle unruly Slovaks (we have our own, closer rivals), so I thank you for expending your effort there, even if it created further havoc. Biruitorul 16:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New article

You might be interested in this: History of the Székely people. In case you find some disturbing grammar, or spelling mistakes, and you have some spare time... --KIDB 15:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot --KIDB 16:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Transylvania

I would like to add some comments to your edits, if you don't mind. Your edits are not wrong, but what I fill is, that you took a dart that was at 8, and instead of putting it at 10, put it at 8, 90 degrees appart. No offense, but what in the world is that metaphor supposed to mean?K. Lásztocska 18:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

  • "and significantly altered the ethnic composition and balance of power in Transylvania". In fact, it appeas that recent DNA tests show that over 60% of the "blood" of people from Balkans is identical to what was 4,000 years ago, before three key events:
    • [1]great migration of peoples in 4rd-13th centuries
    • [2]Roman conquest and colonization in 2-3 centuries
    • [3]invasion of Indo-europeans 2,000 years BC

Of course, ethnicity is something else than DNA heritage, b/c one can accept the language and be completely integrated in that culture without sharing much of the DNA. But it is amazing that the famous Hungarian-Romanian dispute in 19th century about the origin of Romanians (H historians claimed [1] was prevailing, R historians claimed [2], and both were sure [3] accounts for the remainder, leaving no more than 2-3% for pre 4,000 years ago) now turns into "this is not one mistake, this is way way way things got wrong" Those 2-3% turn out to be over 60% ! And that is in male population, which was believed to be prone to "migration of DNA". A suggestion: "altered in a small but non-negligible degree the ethnic composition and significantly changed the balance of power in Transylvania". Anyway, whatever you think is better. I don't mind, b/c your edit is not worse than what was believed reasonable before the availability of DNA data, which is only the last 5-6 years. It is just turns out that what was believed reasonable people got completely wrong, they got it wrong at a more fundamental level than only the last 2000 years.

  • "part of the Austrian and Austro-Hungarian Empires and the Kingdom of Hungary". You see, there were two Kingdoms of Hungary, the middle age one, and the 1870-1918 one. Transylvania was part of both. "power in the region was held predominantly by Szeklers and Magyars (Hungarians) and by Germans" should, IMHO, be "was part of the Kingdom of Hunagary", while the second Kingdom of Hungary was Transleithanian part of A-H. well, smth along these lines.
  • "Transylvania as the heartland vs part of the Dacian state" That state is long defunct. It's like saying Panonia was the heartland of Attila's state. True, yet noone believes Hungarians are Huns (except maybe Corneliu Vadim Tudor, but that's a different story).
  • "Treaty of Trianon which recognised/declared the sovereignty of Romania". Actually, the assmebly (Romanians) on 12/01/1918 declared union with R, a second one (Germans) on 12/15/1918 approved it, and third one (Hungarians) rejected it. Romania's hold over Transylvania is IMO originating not from the treaty of Trianon, but from the declarations of the elected assemblies in Dec 1918 when A-H desintegrated (provoked by the declaration of indep by the Czechs one month prior). Entente had no power to give someone territory, the most they could do was to recognize or not. (I am not claiming that the events in 1919 were completely fair, and especiially I personally regret there were battles in Transylvania in 1919, I am just looking at something that was 100 years ago)

Again, I do not intend to rv any of your edits, b/c the old ones are not better than yours. It is just that it would be nice to have better edits, not only at the same level. Please don't take it personally. I like to criticize (sometimes over-criticize), but there is absolutely nothing personal in it. :-) :Dc76 17:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, don't waste time with this now if you have better things to do. Just come back to it when you'll edit that page again. :Dc76 17:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
1) You have nothing to be sorry about, otherwise you make me feel bad by saying so. This is simply an "academic" discussion. I am sorry if i have been not nice, sincerely sorry.
2) I do not intend to rv you, as I said, your edits were not worse. E.g. Kingdom of Hungary, it was absolutely correct to add, just you had to continue to reformulate all that sentense or two
3) 40% means [1]+[2]+[3], i.e. incl. those that arrived 4000 years ago, 1900 years ago, and 1700-700 years ago. I am sure you also know, if you are American that if a group came in 1820 and one of the same or even double size in 1890, the "share" of the first is greater. But that is detail. I am only telling you this as information. b/c, as I said, DNA and ethnic is not the same thing. (also, the data is only now coming, only selected groups were covered, just to be representative, i guess not even 1% of population was DNAed, it will take many years) I think it is a very positive thing that there are diff ethnic groups in the same area living in good relations. Do you imagine Scot-Irish and German-Americans to get to confrontation with each other? I do hope the same will become of Transylvania.
4) I prefer the term "part" in the title, and "heartland" somewhere in the text. Heartland in the title was obviously "look i'm proud i'm this" instead of "i'm also this, among other things"
5) "Declared" is simply not factual in that context, but "regognized what" could be more specific. I do not think that an extra sentense after that, explaining more (assembiles, hungarians' opposition, etc) would be redundant. That would make the paragraph less misleading. "ideally just"? Come down to Earth :-) You are a very big idealist! :-) "clumsy, often petty and politically motivated" is a fact and noone with reason is denying that. "Romania and only Romania has legitimate and rightful claim to all of Transylvania" is not true if you refer to 1918. Transylvanians (of all ethnicities) had. And there was no concensus, there was just a majority.
6) other editors are sometimes more rush to rv than to talk, and i don't think that is very helpful. that is regretful
7) ask e.g. Biruitorul, he is much better in doing away with problems like this. I don't know about you, but I always respected his edits as very qualitative.
8) As we are on it, but nothing to do with this article, have you seen United States of Greater Austria?:Dc76 19:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Support

Spring told me to drop by to give you a bit of support. So here it is :)

Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Good luck! :) Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 17:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, K. Lastochka, a mutual friend asked me to drop by and offer you some support. I'm sorry about the dispute that you've gotten involved in, and I wish it hadn't happened at all. Unfortunately with a project like Wikipedia, where everyone can edit, there are people who become wedded to a particular viewpoint, and who will seek to impose that viewpoint on whatever articles they edit. I try to stay away from certain articles precisely because of that. Sometimes, when I become too stressed by a particular article, I take a break from it, and occasionally from all of Wikipedia. Remember that there are other editors who support what you have been doing, and that the quest to make neutrally worded articles is a valuable goal indeed. I hope that you won't be discouraged by the criticism you've taken, and that you'll stay with Wikipedia. Take care, Kyoko 23:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, K. Lastochka. It looks like you've really been through the mill recently :( Don't be disheartened, though. You're doing the right thing and mean well, regardless of the rights-or-wrongs of the matter. Anyways, maybe step back for a little while and catch your breath, then get back to it again :) You've a lot to offer the project and you've done so much good so far - Alison ☺ 23:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Like Cliff says, you can never have enough Bouguereau! :) {hug} and smiles!
Like Cliff says, you can never have enough Bouguereau! :) {hug} and smiles!
Wow, Spring, you've got quite the support group going here! ;-) Don't worry about me, I'll be fine. That weird "scholar" has been pissing me off, that's true, but otherwise things are going fine. Real life is hectic this week so I'm a bit frazzled, but I'll be back to normal soon. Thanks for the support, guys, I'm quite charmed. ;-) K. Lásztocska 00:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 :) Don't get me started on real life! Keep on keeping on my friend. M A Mason 00:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I was just dropping by to do the same. Funny thing about Wikipedia ... not only is it the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, anyone does edit ... and remember that if someone is nasty, that only gives you information about them, not about you. Keep up your good work here, and hello from a fellow violinist! :-) Antandrus (talk) 02:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Just dropping by to let you know that I read up on the debate, an I think you're doing the right thing. If you need to sit back and take a breather, please do so! Real life should always take precedence over Wikipedia :) Just stay calm, and keep up your great work (I've seen you on Spring's page many times, and I've always admired your clarity of thought). Take care, Riana ⁂ 02:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Supported, endorsed and hugged a thousand times :) Dear K, it was just a matter of time till we finally met, since I have seen your words and beautiful thoughts many times. It is sad that we meet under these circumstances, but a great chance to offer you the modest comfort I can give you, and know that we do care about you. You are a great editor and a kind, excellent person. Don't get down, be happy, and relax - Wikipedia is not the end of the world. And know there are many of us who love to have you with us, no matter what! :) Take good care! Love, Phaedriel - 04:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

<whisper>Lastochka…I've been trying to get all my friends to know Phaedriel, and now you know why. ;) Don't tell her I said that though ;)</whisper> —  $PЯINGrαgђ  19:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prague Spring

Mhm, I have a too little time now, but from October it will be better. I thing I can a little help. --Cinik 04:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. Its a project I would like to help on - and I think the late summer/early autumn start is about right. (It will be interesting to compare/contrast a mad dash to a slow grind)István 13:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transylvania

I see you are also interested in issues about Transylvania. I was thinking to develop more about and maybe, if you are interested in this, we could colaborate on developing more about the history, the places and other things that are related to it. Think about and drop me a message if this would be an interest point for you. --R O A M A T A A | msg  16:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarians are 40 millions

Not actually that are more than 20 but more than 40 millions.--Székhu 06:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe if you count everyone on the planet who has at least one drop of Hungarian blood, the numbers might approach something like 30-40 million. But by all practical definitions, there are approximately 15 million Hungarians worldwide. K. Lásztocska 20:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

No you as hungarian you should know that there are more than 30 millions hungarians, possible 40.--Székhu 12:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but where exactly are you getting these numbers? I'm not saying I wouldn't like it if there really were 30 million of us ;-), but seriously, where did you find statistics that say we are 30-40 million? K. Lásztocska 15:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fantasy

I don't really need to slap you, so instead let me share a fantasy with you. The wheels of the latest RfA against Piotrus are slowly grinding; let me draw your attention to this part - in particular a quote that caught my attention: "Irpen has been gunning for Piotrus for some time". That led me to imagine all Central and East European editors on their own vessel in, let's say, the Black Sea - Romanians, Bulgarian(s), Serbs, Russians, Poles, even landlocked Hungarians and Czechs. And we're all pursuing different objectives on these ships, with plenty of fighting onboard and between ships. For instance I see Irpen as a combination of Captain Ahab and Dennis Hopper, standing on the mighty, nuclear-armed Kornilov, crouching over his machine gun, wearing combat goggles and madly firing toward SS Polonia. Piotrus can only hurl kielbasa back at him, worriedly looking through the glass bottom and seeing all previous Polish navies at the bottom of the sea. I'm there, steering toward Cetatea Albă, Dahn trying to pull me back from irredentism, Anonimu thrashing about in a cage. The Czechs play music. Volleys of cannon fire go back and forth between Hungary and Serbia...

Anyway, run with that, maybe find a role for the Bulgarian(s). Biruitorul 17:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant, and I won't try to top that, but will introduce a vignette featuring one of my idées fixes:
The crew of the SS Szálasi, a rickety skiff teeming with banned Hungarian nationalist trolls [I don't think these exist, but anyway], made their decision. "We despise Serbia, but we truly loathe modern Hungary, and we will cast our lot with whomever opposes its existence". Thus they shot a continuous stream of arrows toward the Hungaria, while the SS Karageorgevitch pounded her hull. Together, they threw Admiral Lastochka into a panic, and in the confusion, several Szálasi crewmen were able to board the vessel. They bound and gagged the Admiral, tying her to a plank. Hostile fire from the Karageorgevitch temporarily ceased while the men hoisted the Arrow Cross flag and lustily sang their hymn - enough so that even the Czechs momentarily paused from their rendition of The Blue Danube, which they were gaily performing, oblivious to the chaos about them. They then passed Decree I, proclaiming the Hungaria a "Zone of Fascism". This angered the Serbs, who accused them of acting like Croats, and fighting resumed, Admiral Lastochka desperately struggling to speak, Piotrus wishing he could lend her a helping hand and reaffirm Hungarian-Polish bonds of friendship - but only a single tear rolled down his cheek as the Soviet marauders closed in...
And some more images:
Deep in the bowels of the Kornilov, Biophys was being shown the instruments of torture by Vlad fedorov. "Toe the Kremlin line - or else!" "I am not a stooge of Putin!" The hand of Moscow gripped his shoulder, the polonium not far off...
Aboard the Dacia, things were looking up. Dahn was sequestered and, under the intense tutelage of the Iron Guard-sympathizing chaplain and Bonaparte, long-suppressed stirrings of mystical nationalism began to flare up in his heart. Anonimu had relaxed and was weaving a Communist-era flag inside the cage. Chişinău had telegraphed its surrender upon hearing of Biruitorul's approach, and the ship, with promises of Serbian aid, was well prepared to dislodge Ukrainian interlopers from the Bugeac. Cetatea Albă was his, his - and then distant rumblings of fire emerged from across the Bosphorus, the Turks and Greeks locked in a death struggle. Biruitorul, his millenarist ethos seizing on the chance to retake Constantinople and hasten Armageddon, hurriedly reversed course. The Bulgarians were still throwing up their arms in confusion. Biruitorul 06:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Best of luck. I also meant to portray the Szálasi group as holding up the recently-stolen skull of János Kádár, if you want to play with that angle (skull, pirates... it kind of fits). Biruitorul 17:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This has been great so far, please don't stop. What if cruel medieval Hungarian landlords emerged from their tombs (if the skulls of Kádár are there anyway) for a fight with Vlad Tepes? --KIDB 17:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't read that book after twilight is over. :-) --KIDB 19:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

ROTFLOL :) Thank you, guys, I needed that laugh. I never thought somebody could take some of our sad wiki adventures and turn them into... that :D Kudos :D PS. Let me assure you that SS Polonia is still afloat; its crew is tired and decimated but our fight for neutrality and reliability will not be over until the last one of us falls...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  04:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, and glad to hear you've been enjoying it--I hope Biru has enough spare time to write Chapter Five pretty soon--technically I'm still tied to the mast of the Hungaria with a bunch of fascists partying below deck. :-) K. Lásztocska 13:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not Danielle Steel - I actually think before writing. I doubt this was worth the wait, but here goes. (Incidentally, I just realized Kornilov was not the best name for a Soviet ship, given who he was, but anyway.)

Aboard the Dacia, Anonimu had been reduced to insanity [more than usual], incoherently babbling, "Romania was not occupied. Romania was not occupied..." and sobbing into his beloved Communist flag. A merry band of sailors drank ţuică belowstairs, chanting the Orthodox liturgy in high spirits but very off-key -- soon, after all, they would be the first choir to sing it in Hagia Sophia since 1453. Their teetotalling captain gripped the wheel with intensity, feeling the hand of God on his shoulder as he steered down the Bulgarian coast, with Bulgarian fishermen staring, mouths agape, in confusion. Then Dahn emerged from below, his shirt ripped, his arms smeared with blood. "I've fed Bonapate to the dogs! The mad priest is in chains. You're next, psycho." Captain Biruitorul stood shellshocked for a moment, bewildered that the normally mild-mannered Dahn would undego such a metamorphosis. Before he could raise his scimitar, though, or call to the oblivious crew (now rapidly descending into inebriation, a garbled string of Beatitudes dimly emerging), Dahn had thrown him aside and fired a tranquilizer dart directly into his back, putting him into a profound sleep. As the captain dreamt of hacking apart the minarets around the cathedral, Dahn quickly turned the ship northward. He would play hero this time.

Meanwhile, the Polonia continued its slow drift; the Soviets had backed off for the night but were sure to be back for more. The Polish Cabal was melancholy -- lacking weaponry, they had at last met a change they could not revert. Irpen sneered toward them, "I will promptly report any aggressive moves to Captain Fedorov!" Ghirlandajo chimed in, "Revert warriors! This is what you get for invading Moscow in 1610!" Piotrus laughed bitterly, momentarily distracted as Appleseed and Halibutt tackled Dr. Dan and plunged him into the deadly waters below. And then the strains of Chopin's 17th Prelude grew louder from aboard the SS Masaryk; the sleeping giant had been awakened. Piotrus and his band of brothers felt their courage restored, their spirits returning, their anger driving them forth and the example of the Battle of Hel before them - a long, bold resistance if necessary. The Captain spoke:
"Endure, and conquer! God will soon dispose
To future good our past and present woes.
With me, the arrows of the Kornilov you have tried;
Th' inhuman Russians and their den defied.
What greater ills hereafter can you bear?
Resume your courage and dismiss your care,
An hour will come, with pleasure to relate
Your sorrows past, as benefits of Fate.
Thro' various hazards and events, we move
To Poland and the realms promised by God.
Call'd to the seat (the promise of the skies)
Where the Rzeczpospolita once again may rise,
Endure the hardships of your present state;
Live, and reserve yourselves for better fate."
These words he spoke, but spoke not from his heart;
His outward smiles conceal'd his inward smart.

Thus invigorated, the men prepared to renew their assault. That night, the Czechs in their own little world would continue to work their way through Chopin, the Russians would go to sleep while Poles played a trick, the Bulgarians would turn from confusion to mere apathy, Admiral Lastochka would be gagged but little else would change on the Hungaria (except the Arrow Crossers would continue to emit decrees). Dahn had his own plans in mind. So did the Serbs. Biruitorul 05:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and thank you for defending me you know where. The dictionary of the Romanian Academy (ie, pretty comprehensive) has no word starting with holod. And in Constanţa, where he lives, they speak basically standard Romanian. So, yes, I was yet again termed a Holocaust denier. Biruitorul 05:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Once again, many thanks for all your help. I'm kind of cheating by writing so little, but I do need to write something, so here we are. (By the way, was Szigeti not born in the Kingdom of Hungary, which had a different flag too? I've always wondered about the rule for infoboxes; personally, I like to put the flag and name of the country at the time of the subject's birth rather than today.)

During his year-long block, Molobo was certainly not idle. Rather, he had spent his time in a Deep Submergence Vehicle, isolated from the Polonia but still tethered thereto. Initially bored, he had stumbled on massive petroleum reserves beneath his bubble. By now, barrels and barrels of oil surrounded him on the seafloor. These were now dredged up to the deck of the battered Polonia as the Kornilov crew slept soundly in a haze of vodka, the soothing voice of Stalin with his thick Georgian accent having lulled the men to sleep. Silently Piotrus and his compatriots filled their red-and-white waterguns with black gold. Rage burned within the breasts of the Polish Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Such was the very armour he had on
When he the ambitious Norway combated;
So frown'd he once, when, in an angry parle,
He smote the sledded Polacks on the ice.
'Tis strange.
The rowboats were lowered; they silently sailed. A fortuitous lull in the storm allowed them to spray oil all over the Soviet vessel. Rapidly Piotrus hurled a burning torch at his hated adversaries, shouting, "In the name of Edward Rydz-Śmigły, die, fiends!" The Poles furiously rowed away as the blaze began to rage. Quickly it gained strength, and what had appeared a lull in the storm became a fatal, full-blown break. The Russians had no chance - like the men whose throats Kublai Khan slit when still asleep with drink, most of the Russians never knew what hit them. Only Irpen, his eyes watering from the thick smoke, lived long enough to pin the Lenin Peace Prize on Vlad fedorov's charred corpse. Biophys, chained to a wall, struggled but could not move. At last, the Russian threat had been liquidated, and Molobo was there, beneath the Kornilov 's sinking wreckage, with his DSV, ready to retrieve her nuclear warheads. Russia was gone; Poland was now nuclear. Any wonder, then, that the Czechs were now playing Götterdämmerung, and the Bulgarians had thrown in the towel and meekly returned to their fishing villages? Biruitorul 06:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I certainly don't insist on "Kingdom of Hungary", fond though I may be of that entity. I too dislike infoboxes, and I like to keep articles consolidated and free of clutter. If we/I do get in trouble, I genuinely look forward to any RfC. Biruitorul 21:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enescu worklist

Thank you for your hard work- I'm not positive that the titles of the two Romanian Rhapsodies should be italicized but I'm not sure they shouldn't? Tend to the former interpretation though since there are such works by others, hence a generic not a "true title"... Best - Schissel | Sound the Note! 18:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The anonymous scholar's IP address can be traced to the Belgium/Netherlands area

—  $PЯINGrαgђ  09:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

He's moved? I thought he was from Germany, from somewhere near Cologne. K. Lásztocska 13:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
We know he's not from Hungary anyway. :) Well when I was looking the map was extremely hard to read and all I could make out was "The Hague" and "Brussels" so I guessed from there. But Köln/Düsseldorf/Bonn isn't too far of a hop. Vienna would make less sense. ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  13:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Did you ever really think he was Hungarian? He doesn't even sound Hungarian, even if he were talking about something totally unrelated to Liszt. ;-) K. Lásztocska 14:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Of course he doesn't sound Hungarian, he isn't. :P There's a little country in the Atlantic called Belligera, but… —  $PЯINGrαgђ  14:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Prague Spring for FA?

My previous experience with this article suggests that it attracts way too many partizans and way too few historians. The current text IMO lacks depth and would need complete rewrite for FA. There aren't very many Czechs on English Wiki and there aren't many recent popular history publications in Czech language about the event, AFAIK. Pavel Vozenilek 21:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you so much!

Wow, dear K - that's a lot of info, and most helpful indeed! If it wasn't because of you, I would have never (or maybe it would have taken a long time) to find out about these awesome Wikipedians. Thanks to you, tho, not only I'll be able to offer them my modest recognition, but I'll also learn many interesting things by reading their contributions. You truly are a wonderful person, like Spring aptly said. You will forgive me, tho, if I pick you before any of your friends... ;) Have a beautiful weekend! Love, Phaedriel - 16:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought you'd like to know that I've dedicated today to Alensha. You were absolutely right: not only she's a fantastic editor, but a beautiful person as well. Credit goes to you for pointing her out to me, dear K - and your own day will come, be sure about that! ;) Love, Phaedriel - 05:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Any time now… ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  22:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Contribs list

It's not just you, dear - we're all experiencing the same problem. My own contribs list froze at around 22:00 UTC. Apparently, the devs are working on it. Check here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#User_contributions_not_appearing. Let's hope they solve it soon! ;) Love, Phaedriel - 01:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Horse Heads

I see you have been appointed an Admiral by Biroitorul, now you are the second one in the history of landlocked Hungary. I am wondering whether you are going to enter Budapest on a white horse like your predecessor did in 1919 :-)
But seriously, I have a question. In the History of the Székely people article, I wrote about the three social classes: Primores, horsemen and common Székelys. Actually the second class was called lófő in Hungarian which literally means Horse Head. How does this sound in English? Do you think they should be simply horsemen or be replaced by Horse Heads in the article? --KIDB 15:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your edit in the article. --KIDB 18:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Phaedriel mentioned that you spoke highly of me and that's why she dedicated this day to me. Thank you so much! It's a great feeling that my little contributions are appreciated :) Love, – Alensha talk 13:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen the drama – I was busy in real life and huwiki, and seems I'll have to catch on... It would be nice to get Prague Spring featured, I'll try to help, though I'm not an expert of 20th century history (or of any kind of history after the death of the last Ramesside pharaoh... :) – Alensha talk 15:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you KL for the kind words again. I see you are doing very well here: sometimes I soooo want to jump into the fray but know its best not to for now. But I will be back (ouch!) in a couple of months.István 16:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I took your advice. I will be here from time to time of course keeping an eye on things...István 17:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wife and son

Thank you. :) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  03:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biru for Admin

Yes, please let me know ahead of time and I will vote/advocate for him. Its not like Im gone - Im still around but just not writing much; its just that pain medication (often worse than the back pain itself) docks the IQ about 20 points, cuts one's patience in half, and completely zaps any sense of humor laying around; not the best way to contribute; Im afraid that no matter how tempting, my edits may provoke some who are a bit hot of head (Central Europe can be a tough neighbourhood, as you know). I, as anyone, owe the community better than that. My choice now is either write on the wiki or be able to pick up and carry my daughter - you can see how it has to be for now. But I miss you too and if you ever need my help let me know, Im still around. István 18:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nagy-Magyarország et al

Don't worry, the first sentence you wrote was perfect. My problem with the Greater Hungary article is that it is a real issue and should be dealt with but some users try to use it as an anti-Hu propaganda. Now the article has improved after your edits (my only note would be about this sentence: "For centuries, Hungarian rulers such as Matthias Corvinus had maintained a relatively cosmopolitan kingdom; for example, Croatia joined the kingdom via a royal union." I suppose some readers might think after this sentence that Croatia joined the Kingdom in the time of Mátyás.)
The Trianon article? It is hopeless, Panonian would feel disappointed if his POWs were missing from the text. I usually avoid this person, I don't know if he is simply antisocial or is wise enough to pretend he is. --KIDB 06:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Trianon was not too fair to Hungarians, but it 90 was years ago. I don't know how to convince people like Panonian, or Gheorghe Funar that the vast majority of Hungarians don't want these territories back, we are EU-members, anyway, where borders are disappearing.
The only thing most Hungarians want is that the new states with significant Hu minorities provide equal rights to their citizens. This is not too much, is it?
At this point I don't know what to do with Mr P, and I don't want to waste to much energy on him. What I can suggest to you is to take care of the people on the Hungaria and Dacia. :-)
Anyway, thank you for the image. Would it be possible for you to have a look at the Székely joke on my page and correct it? --KIDB 15:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Not so bad :-) I like your proposal for a new Trianon article. :-) --KIDB 16:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Lastochka, you shouldn't do this again, your suggestions are being realised in the Greater Hungary (political concept) article. :-) Weird... --KIDB 19:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment, I will watch this POV-POW thing. Enjoy your holiday. --KIDB 05:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The disambugiation of Mr P

It will be hard to convince You-Know-Who about that disambiguation page. I believe he is sure that most neighbouring nations to Serbia are dangerous to their very existence and he has to fight against them in Wikipedia articles. Quote:
"I really do not see a point of writting such names into infoboxes of places with Serb majority in Serbia - problem is that such names also reflect irredentist policies of neighbouring countries and their territorial pretensions towards parts of Serbia and therefore they should not be used"
Like in a strategic game: if you succeed to include a Romanian name in an infobox in Voivodina (against the will of Mr P), the next day the Romanian Armed Forces will go and occupy the Serbian Banat. :-)))))) Another example:
"Slovak name used for Bač would not insult Serbs, but Romanian names used for Vršac and Bela Crkva would insult Serbs (the difference is in the fact that Slovaks and their country do not have territorial pretensions towards Serbia)"
Guess, who wrote this about including Romanian names in infoboxes of Serbian towns? Romanians are irredentists, Hungarians are irredentists, I am not surprised about his editorial in that disambiguation page. --KIDB 06:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Nem tudom... The same arguments came into my mind too. I wish we could keep the mapmaker but forget the Serbian fighter. He could eg. fall in love with a Hungarian. There are lots of them in his province. Why not?
My main concern anyway is that his words are appearing first on the screen if you do a Google search for Greater Hungary. --KIDB 05:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trianon

Hi KL – I'm not sure that redirecting Trianon to the Treaty of Trianon is a good idea. I've gone over the pages that link to "Trianon", and about 75% of them was talking about the palace(s) in Versailles. Actually, those with no interest in the history of Central Europe are likely to link the word "Trianon" meaning the palace without ever checking where the link is pointing. KissL 09:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

We non-admins :) can only move to titles that don't exist yet, or onto pages where the only history entry is the creation of a redirect (manually or as a result of a previous move). Since neither is the case here, what you can do is place {{db-author}} onto Trianon, wait until it gets deleted by an admin, then move Trianon (disambiguation) back, and finally place {{db-author}} onto the resulting redirect at Trianon (disambiguation). Alternatively, you can try WP:RM, but I think that would take a lot more time and attention. KissL 09:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just thought you should know.

Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents#Fascism and/or chauvinism in Wikipedia. What a dick. I closed it for you because the guy's obviously trolling. Will (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I know he's a troll, the mysterious Hungarian scholar, am I correct? (yes, I do read hidden comments :)) Will (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Interesting (if you excuse my fat nose in here :P); that doesn't sound like the scholar at all. —  $PЯINGrαgђ  15:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I know of the existence of such a scholar, not his editing patterns, btw :). Will (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Oops, on AN/I it says Vince…And actually all the IP addresses the scholar has used start with 80, so maybe that helps. :) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  18:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
btw, 80-84, I think, covers a good portion of Europe. Then again, few IPers edit constructively Will (talk) 18:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and *high five* for being a football fan. Nice one :D Will (talk) 20:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it American football or the real stuff? ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  20:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The real stuff :) Will (talk) 21:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I hoped so. ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  21:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Heck yes. Go Liverpool FC!! (and it's been quite depressing supporting Hungary lately....we really suck.)K. Lásztocska 21:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
You support Liverpool too? I think I'm in love... Will (talk) 21:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
You're funny. (Although you probably have at least a partly good reason—all I know about football is how to kick the ball.) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  22:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
All I can do with football is kick and dive, but only doing the latter when I'm saving the ball, and not to get a free kick or someone sent off. But seriously, K., pardon my French, but you're fucking awesome for supporting Liverpool. :) Will (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Ahem....allow me then to recite a fine piece of great poetry:
Down by the Shankly Gates,
I heard a Kopite calling:
"Shankly, they have taken you away...
But you left a great eleven
Before you went to heaven
Now it's glory round the fields of Anfield Road.
Oh, on the fields of Anfield Road,
We watched, we watched the King Kenny play.
We had Heighway on the wing,
We had dreams and songs to sing,
About the glory round the fields of Anfield Road."
...well, OK, so it's not Pushkin, but I still like it (and it sounds better sung by twenty thousand Kopites at the tops of their lungs anyway.) Pardon my, erm, Romanian, but I'm fucking depressed that they're going to be tearing Anfield down...Stanley Park's sure to be great, it just won't be the same. K. Lásztocska 22:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Hilarious! I love it. (I have the Irish original ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  22:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
"Fields of Athenry", right? I learned the tune as Fields of Anfield Road...just shows you how in-touch I am with my (actually significant percentage of) Irish heritage...K. Lásztocska 22:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep. :D —  $PЯINGrαgђ  23:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Ja, it is depressing that Anfield's getting torn down. I would've thought that it'd be a listed building but... Anyway, YNWA is much better belted out by the Kop, as proved by the Chelsea 2005 semi, 2005 final half-time and the 2007 final. It's truly moving stuff. Will (talk) 23:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
True that. Unfortunately, I've never heard the Anfield Roar in person, and now probably never will. :-( K. Lásztocska 23:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I have, only once. Liverpool v. Arsenal, December 23, 2001, in the Kop End (I was 10!). We lost 2-1, but there's no shame in it - we came second in the Premiership to Arsenal that season. It truly is a magnificent sight. Will (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

btw, have a nice time on your holiday :) Will (talk) 06:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A couple of points

A. I don't think you're taking the Anonimu business too seriously, and I find Anittas' intervention rather bizarre, but the key is to keep watching and waiting, and acting when really ready. It's frustrating that he can get away with so much (and his attacks have been pointed out to a number of administrators so far).

B. I too despise the profusion of flags, especially when coupled with recentism. Take for instance a biography I was looking at today: that of Anna Politkovskaya. It starts out nicely, but once she gets shot, spirals quickly out of control. Maybe, just maybe, the assassination deserves its own article, but as for the main article, a serious, scholarly biography would never look like this, especially the "political reaction" section.

C. By the way, here are the other "international reactions" articles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Some are just perhaps salvageable; with others, now that a few months have passed, "who cares?" seems a more fitting reaction. Biruitorul 06:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Won't it be so good to come back from your nice refreshing vacation and have to look at Talk:Franz Liszt?

Would seem there's more trouble brewing there. —  $PЯINGrαgђ  22:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-hungarian sentiment

Hello. Please read the "Re: Anti-Hungarian sentiment" on my talkpage. You will find the "reasons".Baxter9 06:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I wonder...

... if you noticed my reply above. :) KissL 08:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It continues

The story, that is, though not so well as with your hilariously incisive installment. And thank you kindly for your offer - let's say next month after I get my RfA out of the way, unless things really get out of control - or have they? Are you taking nice pictures on your trip to upload on Wikipedia?

The Royal Wikipedian Authority for the Protection of Kids rates this section to be 
Category A ("You absolutely should not read it!") for persons under the age of 18,
because it may contain "scenes of brutality or torture to persons".
Regulation "Boyz and Girlz, don't try this at home" also applies. --KIDB 08:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
...kind've a Gawain meets Dr. Strangelove Romantic annihilationism? (sounds fun) ...and the Unabomber gets a lifeboat?

Biruitorul, guided perhaps by the hand of the Holy Ghost, had slipped away from the savages' grasp and fled deep into the forest. There, a chance find of a machete had raised his spirits, and impulsively he made his way back to Dahn and Lastochka, then being harangued with Leninist jargon by Anonimu. Biruitorul saw a chance to liquidate his opponent - he knew he was violating the commandment against murder, but was counting on absolution and hoped to be allowed to receive the Eucharist in five years. The woman instinctively screamed as he raised the weapon high, and Anonimu wheeled around. "Come, my dear fascist, you wouldn't want that on your deep-green conscience, would you? Think of how history will judge you!" The other momentarily paused, thinking to spare him.
He roll'd his eyes, and ev'ry moment felt
His manly soul with more compassion melt.
"Do you want to be swept away into irrelevance? It is our Party, after all, that holds the scientific touchstone to historical truth." Ah, but the ideologue did not know what pragmatism meant, and had no thought to placate the man with the big knife - quite a mistake, as it turned out. "Die, Communist vandal! Die, wretched vermin! Thou who hast for so long tormented my soul, begone, and never foul this air again!"
He rais'd his arm aloft, and, at the word,
Deep in his bosom drove the shining sword.
The streaming blood distain'd his arms around,
And the disdainful soul came rushing thro' the wound.
The cancer in their midst now vanquished, the three rejoiced, and even Dahn was seen making a furtive sign of the cross. The next few days went tolerably well, albeit with the usual tensions present among a M-M-F group stranded on a remote island with headhunters and crocodiles menacing them and forced by their lack of hunting skill to gorge themselves on the human flesh one of them had "supplied" for them, but anyway, they were in tolerable spirits when they sighted the nuclear lifeboat Kaczyński, rowed by Molobo, headed their way. They welcomed the Pole ashore and offered him a charred femur, which he graciously declined. Their guest had brought a case of red wine ashore, which was eagerly consumed as evening fell - but not by Biruitorul, who had other plans.

The other three were soon fast asleep and Biruitorul enthusiastically manoeuvred the lifeboat out to sea, along with its four ready-to-launch nuclear warheads. Of course, the Polonia had 76 of these, but four thermonuclear devices was still serious stuff, more than Japan, Germany, Italy, Brazil and Indonesia combined possessed -- and Romania was a nuclear power! Standing up in the darkness, he gave a terrifying cackle. "At last! At last, fools! The hour of Romania has come! The triumph of Orthodoxy is here! Bwahahahaha!!!" Hoisting the Royal standard, he boomed, "In the name of Ştefan and Mihai, Orthodoxy or death!" The madman furiously rowed toward Constantinople in a raging storm, hoping to recapture it through nuclear blackmail, fully ready to detonate all missiles if necessary and hasten the Apocalypse.

Would the Poles stop him? Would he stop them? Would the three island stowaways concoct a kamikaze mission, sailing away on a raft and shooting an arrow though his head as his finger approached the nuclear button? By next morning, these questions still hung in the air as he neared the Bosphorus. It was a clear day; he imagined hearing the long-silent bells of Hagia Sophia, and the oblivious Czechs sat on deck, playing Vivaldi's Spring as that season, and perhaps the world, entered its final days. Biruitorul 06:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

That's that, it seems. Could I ask you to please help me out with a statement backing me up over there? Thanks a lot. Biruitorul 21:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I supposed the matter's cleared up. Hopefully I'll get no block, but I'm definitely not in a position to run for admin for maybe another six months now. Think of me as a long-distance runner with a pebble in his shoe. He thinks he can ignore it, but then the problem gets bigger and bigger, and even though the finish line is in sight, he has to drop out because his foot is bleeding. (The blame is entirely my own, but incidentally, this is the type of thing Wiki-mail was invented for.) Oh, well - the place will survive quite nicely, I'm sure. Biruitorul 00:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)