User talk:K. Kellogg-Smith

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Welcome!

Hello, K. Kellogg-Smith, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} after the question on your talk page. Again, welcome!  The Evil Clown Please review me! 13:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

You should post your article. It look like a good one to me. Even if others edit, they're going to make it better (and vandals are going to be DEALT with). The Evil Clown Please review me! 01:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] External links

Wikipedia:External links should tell you all you'd ever want to know. In a word... yes, they're almost necessary for verifying most statements. Leebo T/C 02:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A suggestion

According to Wikipedia:User page, I don't think you're supposed to have drafts of articles on your user page itself. What you could do is create a subpage, like User:K. Kellogg-Smith/Tip wage credit or something. Then when it's ready, you could use the "move" function at the top of the page to change the name of the subpage to Tip wage credit which would appear in the main article space. Leebo T/C 04:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I read through it again, and it doesn't seem like you can't do it, but I guess it's something to consider. Leebo T/C 04:51, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User sub-page.

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't notice the note about not using User: page until I was several weeks into drafting the article. I'll look into moving it to a sub-page as you suggested. The draft is taking a while to finalize. It's like writing web pages without WYSIWYG, going back and forth from source code to browser view to check on formatting and acceptable/not acceptable elements and so forth. Your external link note has helped me move things along nicely, though. I hope I can wrap the project up in a couple of weeks and get it posted. Thanks again for your helpful suggestions.
K. Kellogg-Smith 05:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's definitely a thorough and extensive look at the subject. It's always nice to see articles enter the encyclopedia at full speed! Good luck with it. Leebo T/C 05:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Narasimha Rao

Thanks for your comments on the article. I have been trying to make it into a good article for some time now. If you have time then please evaluate it according to the criteria listed at WP:GAC. I believe it qualifies.--Shahab 13:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Summaries

You don't have to type in ~~~~ in your edit summary. For example, for this note, my edit summary is : "note about edits summaries" . Evilclown93 15:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

TKU for you tip and for your watchfulness. It certainly helps. K. Kellogg-Smith 15:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Got your note

About Dave Guard--thanks for the reply. Aside from liking the original KT, I'm grateful to Dave Guard for recording Gabby--the album was clearly a labor of love and provides a good look into Gabby's personal take on the music. I'm about 80% finished with a book on the history of slack key, so I'm always looking for bits of information about the players, the songs, and the scene. If it's something you are/were interested or involved in, I'd love to hear about it. (That period just before the Cultural Renaissance got rolling has been tough to research, at least for a Minnesotan with a restricted travel budget.) Google the book's working title (Aloha Guitar: A Guide to Hawai`i's Slack Key Tradition) and you'll find your way to my website. RLetson 07:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Also your reply--The book is not-quite-stalled at 80K out of a projected 95K words. One big interview and a handful of follow-ups and it will be finished after more than six years of not-concentrated-enough work. I'm sure that even without the technical challenges, learning slack key was tough for a non-Hawaiian back then--even into the late 60s, much of the old secrecy still was in effect, so people without a family connection were not likely to find a mentor. I know three haole guys who managed, and two of them (Ken and Phil Emerson) did so thanks to the generosity of Raymond Kāne. By the 1970s, Raymond and Keola and Auntie Alice and Peter Medeiros were teaching all comers, but I suspect that getting the slack key groove has always been a big challenge. (After more than a decade of trying, I still play with a Minnesota accent.) In any case, I'd like to hear more about life in Hawai`i (musical and cultural) during your time there. If you can put up with e-mail correspondence, my e-address is on the website--I value every impression and recollection, and they all make the mosaic more detailed and accurate. (Oral history is an interestingly difficult source of data.) RLetson 16:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD close of Duquesne Spy Ring

I have looked over the discussions on the talk pages, and I stand fast to my decision.

To begin- the article is legally not plagiarism at all. It is released under the public domain (to be specific, the Freedom of Information Act), which means the article is free content. Since no one person "claims" the information (thus "public domain"), no plagiarism is present. We are on safe ground as long the sources are attributed, which has already been accomplished.

I speedy kept the AfD because your basis of argument is invalid (no plagiarism is involved, but you say plagiarism is involved) Also, in the dicussions on the talk page, it seems that most users oppose your viewpoint on this matter.

In response to not including copies of primary sources, I believe you should also read the ignore all rules policy. The creator of the article transcluded the document to Wikipedia very well, thus my decision to "speedy keep" the article.

I respect your personal opinion on ethics, but there is nothing legally wrong in this matter. Sr13 19:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legislative history of the tip credit

This subject is certainly noteworthy, but take care not to drift off into original research. Realkyhick 21:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. You'll note that I put an {{underconstruction}} tag on your article. This largely serves the same purpose as the box you put at the top, but it is standardized and automatically places the article in an under-construction category. It's also something that editors on recent-changes or new-page patrol (such as myself) will instantly recognize and leave alone, unless it's obvious vandalism. Let me know if I can be of help. Realkyhick 02:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tip wage credit and edit summaries

Hi there! I have two general comments to make. First, remember to not put four tildes (~~~~) in edit summaries, and second, you should have moved your userpage to mainspace. I suggest right now that you try to get the current page deleted, so you can move your userpage there because copy-paste moves are discouraged because it say you only have six edits to page, but you've been working on it much, much more! Evilclown93 12:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

As a sidenote, I can't delete pages because I'm not an administrator, but I can ask that it be deleted, and help you with the move if you need the help. Evilclown93 12:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Look at this. It's easy to recover that copy by reverting it to the last. Then, we can put the article up for deletion under WP:CSD#G6, and then move your userpage to that new title. BTW, I know that you're new, I welcomed you! : ) Evilclown93 20:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Do you want to do this move, anyways (highly suggested)? Evilclown93 01:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd rather keep the 250 edits you made to your userpage than to the article. What is possible is deleting the article, saving the current text in a sandbox, revert to the article version of your subpage, move it, and the recopy the current text in there. It's a bit of a merger that shows your hard work in the article! Sorry if I'm going a bit too far, but that's the entire point of this 5 day conversation.Evilclown93 02:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I see your point now.  My idea was to get rid of my development edit history so it wouldn't clutter up the namespace article's history.  Your idea is to keep all edits with the namespace article, development edits included.  A couple of weeks ago I did an AfD on a plagiarized article and bungled the process, so I'll keep my fingers out of the pie unless and until you let me know if there's anything I have to do in the move process.  Thanks again.  (My apologies for the delay; I was doing some work with the Hawaiian Wikipedia and got hung up in that for a while.)
We need an admin to delete the page, but I can do all the reverting and moving. If you agree, you can just reply here, and I'll put up the page for speedy deletion. Cheers! Evilclown93 10:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead and do your stuff!  I've got a backyard project to work on, won't see the changes until later today.  Best regards.
I saw your comments on the tip wage credit talk page. The legislative part is a separate article, so it won't be affected. Secondly, I've posted the current article here, so no links would be lost. Thirdly, you'd rather lose 8 edits (which modifications would be accounted for) that 250+ that would remain to your userpage; since I have kept a version of this article, what would happen, if deleted, I'd move your userpage there, replace that version with the last version before the deletion. After, I'd restore what you have on your userpage before I started reverting. What would happen in the end is that your page history (for your userpage) will be moved to mainspace. Nothing more. Evilclown93 20:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate the work you're doing, and putting up with my ignorance about page moves and merging edit histories.  Over the years I've irretrievably lost large blocks of text by not knowing or thinking about what I was doing.  It's a painful experience, and I didn't want to repeat it here.  And I forgot to mention in the discussion that I had also read the "Help:Moving a page article in the MediaWiki Handbook, particularly the section titled "Fixing cut and paste moves", but I disregarded the procedure given there because (a) I'm not really familiar enough yet with Wikipedia and its procedures, and (b) the warning in the paragraph said "Do not do this if you're not sure what you're doing.", and (c) as I said, I really wasn't concerned about transferring/merging my development edits.  So have another go at it, and thanks for all your help. My best regards to you.

BTW, I've reverted your userpage to the last previous version after you blanked it because you copied the article. Cheers!--Evilclown93 12:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Sysop Status

Greetings K. Kellogg-Smith,

The term "Sysop" or "System Operator" is just another word for the term "Administrator". Without their existence, Wikipedia would be full of anarchy because numerous immature pranksters, if given the opportunity, would use such freedom to abuse the system through mass Spamming, Vandalism, Defacement, abusive language, inserting false information, creating phony articles....and the list goes on.

Hence Wikipedia Administrators have the priviledge, in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines, to Protect articles, Delete articles, prevent spam, revert edits by vandals etc and also to block users if they go too far. They can also translate the interface into the native language (through the help of a native speaker of course). For more information regarding sysops/administrators, see Wikipedia:Administrators. If you wish to apply for Temporary Sysop priviledges, then go here.


Regards, --Jose77 21:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the prompt reply, Jose.  The Tok Pisin (tpi) Wikipedia needs a lot of work, and I've been trying to find out who the current Administrator(s) are for that Wikipedia.  It looks to me like nothing significant has been done to TPI for over a year now.  There are vandalized pages that need to be deleted (e.g. w/w/w/php, etc.), there are templates for the language()s box need to be added, and translations have to be made for entries on the left frame of the main page.  The main page is misnamed, doesn't follow the rule on initial caps, and needs to be renamed, etc.  Per your info, I'll make a request for "temporary administrator" privileges and see if I can't help get the project back on track.  I've reviewed the work done with the Hawaiian Wikipedia (having grown up in Hawaii, and gone to middle school, high school and university there), and although HAW is really pretty much of a skeleton right now, it will serve nicely as a model for an updated/upgraded TPI Wikipedia.  So, thanks again/best regards, Ken Kellogg-Smith.
I doubt that User:Kaffelice will actually reply to you within the next few weeks or months. Instead of waiting for a very long time for his reply, I personally think that you can apply for temporary sysop permission on MetaWiki right now. Just use this template:

[edit] Tok Pisin Wikipedia

I request sysop access on Tok Pisin Wikipedia because ........ and the only administrator there has been inactive there since 23 December 2006. .

Thank you. --~~~~ (your signature)

Aloha KKS. I got your note on my talk page, and agree this is a very worthy project. I have a lot of other commitments at the moment, so I'm not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but let me have a closer look at the TPW and get a better sense of what the resource is and where's it's at. Cheers, Arjuna 03:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tok Pisin

Thanks for the reply, Ken. Your idea of "/English" looks brilliant! You may want to save typing by using "/eng" instead (I'd avoid "/en" because some of the tricky templates I've seen use things like that for special purposes.) You can do that without being a sysop, but I can see the value of some of the sysop-only tasks you mention.

Go and talk to Kandar, still apparently the chief contributor to the Sundanese WP. Much of it (including articles) was blatantly English for a while, and was just gradually translated. I don't know if that's still happening.

Check the talk pages of all recent contributors to Tok Pisin - may give you some clues about the mood and atmosphere.


Past my bedtime. See you! Robin Patterson 14:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations Ken, you are now an Administrator on Tok Pisin Wikipedia (until October 9, 2007). --Jose77 23:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change of username

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I have new accounts on Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Tok Pisin Wiktionary now - both with username Wantok. I'll stop using the old Mattandrews accounts. I've done this for consistency and in preparation for the new cross-project login feature. Cheers, Wantok (toktok) 00:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tok Pisin

Hi

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure, what you begged me to do - did you mean to write an English article about Unserdeutsch for the Tok Pisin Wikipedia?

I'm sorry for not understanding--RedSolution 12:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think, I understand it now, but my English isn't the best neither...
Thus I ask you again, just as a precaution:
  • About Wikipedia: I could write an simple article in English about Unserdeutsch and save it in the Tok Pisin Wikipedia (http://tpi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unserdeutsch or something like this)
  • About Wiktionary: I could add the German meangings of the words
If I'm mistaken, it's probably due to my lacking knowledges in English language...
I'm glad about this occasion to improve my English, ;-)--RedSolution 16:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
All right, I wrote this, what bases mainly upon the English article. I hope, the article is able to satisfy your expectations.
By the way: My mother derives from the Ruhr Area while I am born in Hamburg.
Goodnight --RedSolution 21:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] tip wage credit

No worries about the article, I just removed he tag since it hadn't been edited in a while. Whenever you get around to it, you get around to it, that tag's mainly meant for articles that will have a lot of edits in the upcoming day or two. Anyway, if you have parts of the artice written on your talk page, basically just move it to the mainspace whenever you finish it, there's no rush (especially if it ends up being a really good article). Hopefully I got all of what you were asking me, if not then just let me know. Wizardman 02:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DC meetup #3

Interested in meeting-up with a bunch of your wiki-friends? Please take a quick look at Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3 and give your input about the next meetup. Thank you.
This automated notice was delivered to you because you are on the Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/Invite. BrownBot 01:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] League of Copyeditors roll call

Greetings from the League of Copyeditors. Your name is listed on our members page, but we are unsure how many of the people listed there are still active contributors to the League's activities. If you are still interested in participating in the work of the League, please follow the instructions at the members page to add your name to the active members list. Once you have done that, you might want to familiarise yourself with the new requests system, which has replaced the old /proofreading subpage. As the old system is now deprecated, the main efforts of the League should be to clear the substantial backlog which still exists there.
The League's services are in as high demand as ever, as evinced by the increasing backlog on our requests pages, both old and new. While FA and GA reviewers regularly praise the League's contributions to reviewed articles, we remain perennially understaffed. Fulfilling requests to polish the prose of Wikipedia's highest-profile articles is a way that editors can make a very noticeable difference to the appearance of the encyclopedia. On behalf of the League, if you do consider yourself to have left, I hope you will consider rejoining; if you consider yourself inactive, I hope you will consider returning to respond to just one request per week, or as many as you can manage. Merry Christmas and happy editing, The League of Copyeditors.

Melon‑Bot (STOP!) 18:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DC Meetup on May 17th

Your help is needed in planning Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)