User talk:Jwrosenzweig/Archive1

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Hello, Jwrosenzweig. Welcome to Wikipedia.

A few tips for you to start going. (I'll send more if I see that I can help you :-)

  • Just edit stuff off the cuff for a while. We like that!
  • When you have time, check out Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers + the links in there.
  • You can sign your stuff on talk pages with ~~~~ It will convert to your username + the time. "anon" is fine too.
  • If puzzled, put a question on Wikipedia:Village pump, or feel free to ask me on my talk page if it's a very general question.
  • Most of all, have fun but take our work seriously!


-- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 19:31 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

P.S. First; you probably cannot get your timed out IP-address attributed edits joined with your real account except by groveling undignifiedly with the "Developers", and I am not sure even they can help you. Secondly on the general subject of your login timing out mid-edit, believe me brother, I know quite a few verses to that song.

On the Honus Wagner card, I hope my new addition meets with approval.

Furthermore. On the login timeouts. Do you know what "cookies" are? I didn't when I started here. Anyhow it seems it is good to have them "enabled" if you want to not "logout" mid-edit. There was some other technical stuff that could affect things as well (like what the make of your "browser" is), but I wouldn't be the best person to ask about that. That would be Wikipedia:Village pump territory, most definitely. Try and bear with all the glitches and mostly you will either fix them or learn to live with them :-) -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 20:32 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Welcome. If you need help, stop by Wikipedia:Village Pump or just ask. Vicki Rosenzweig (probably not a relative)

Thanks Vicki -- I'm very new here and still sorting out how this all works. And relative or not, there aren't enough Rosenzweigs in the world for us not to stick together, eh? -- Jwrosenzweig
Canadian counterpart of Vicki? Eh? --Menchi 20:25 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Washington State, actually, but I was a graduate student in Canada for two years. The vocabulary rubs off on you. Jwrosenzweig 21:28 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Your vote on the Daniel C. Boyer business doesn't quite fit into the convenient categories we just tried to slot everyone into. Can you please head over there and clear up exactly what you meant? -- Tim Starling 09:57, Aug 2, 2003 (UTC)

Tim, my original post (before someone split it up) was clear, I thought, but you're wise to make doubly sure that everyone's votes are accurately counted. :) If Daniel is unwilling to return to a very small article (along the lines of the original one) I would support its deletion, and have modified my post at Talk:Daniel C. Boyer to make sure this is easy to understand. Thanks -- Jwrosenzweig 16:15, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)


Hi, you cast a vote in the TEMP5 debate. The Temp5 proposal was voted down by 61.3% to 38.6%. We seem to be going around in circles on the whole issue of the main page. A new vote is now taking place to clarify what exactly we want, namely

  1. Do we actually want to have a new page?
  2. If so when (immediately, after a pause, timed to the press release, etc)?
  3. What do people want on the front page and what do they want excluded?

As of now, the whole issue seems surrounded by complete confusion. This way, finally and definitively, we will know what we want and when we want it. So do please express your opinions. The vote is on the same page as the previous votes. FearÉIREANN 20:31, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, the complete confusion was really annoying the hell out of me. It was a classic example of wiki at its worst, going around in circles without deciding anything. The last vote resulted in

  • 19 votes against the Temp5 but for some change,
  • 17 votes for Temp5
  • 8 votes for the current page.

I am now getting told off for having dared to try to sort out the mess by calling a clear and unambiguous vote, not the fluffy ambiguity that nobody can make head or tail of that some on wiki seem to love. Oh well. Thanks for the message and feel free to comment. lol FearÉIREANN 21:35, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I screwed up slightly; I intended to create the listing under his full name, and had created the redirect from the short name at that point, but then discovered that he was usually called by the short name, so I had to move things around. Noel 20:44, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

re: your question at the Village Pump. I'm not sure if you're thinking of the same user that I am. I asked Tonius recently to stop saving so many times. See [1]. His reply can be seen here. Hope that helps. Angela 23:21, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Well that doesn't seem quite as excessive as the 50 in a day that Tonius was doing and some of them are spread out over different times of the day. However, it wouldn't do any harm to mention it on his talk page - in a "here's a useful tip for you" way rather than a criticising way. I replied here as I don't generally like discussing individual users at the Village Pump, but I'll reword this and add it there too for the record. Angela

Contents

[edit] from village pump

I've noticed a user who has, in the last 48 hours, focused on a couple of pages and made 20-30 edits on them, many of them minor. They don't seem factually inaccurate to me, but it does seem to me that this approach of seven minor edits in ten minutes takes up server space and bandwidth to store old copies of articles that could easily be prevented. Should I drop a note to this user? Is there a procedure? I'd appreciate advice. Jwrosenzweig 23:11, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It wouldn't do any harm to mention it on his talk page - in a "here's a useful tip for you" way rather than a criticising way. Angela 23:31, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)
When I first started, I used to make lots of these edits -- mostly beause I didnt understand the value of the preview button.-戴&#30505sv 23:47, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks to you both! I've chatted with the user and they were very open to being slower to hit "Save Page"--sorry for taking up the pump's time on such a minor matter that is so easily resolved. :) Jwrosenzweig 23:55, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Don't people do this to up thier number of contributions? Sorry to be cyncical. CGS 18:00, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC).
Epsilon advice -> User talk:Jnc

Good job on Jethro. -- Cyan 00:29, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I probably don't need to say this, but you absolutely did the right thing at Eunice Norton - or at any rate, I would have done the same :) --Camembert

Hi, thanks for the note! I was glad you fleshed out the bio. (I am guilty of making several minor edits, too, as noted above. Will try to improve.)  :) - the Guppy

Just in case you were wondering why your sidebar looks so cluttered now: I just made you a sysop. -- Tim Starling 08:24, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC)

Nice rewrite of Susan Haack. RickK 03:49, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi James, thanks for checking up on the Portage software copyright situation. You're right that we can't use it. The Creative Commons licence isn't compatible with the GFDL so I have deleted it. Angela 02:15, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC) Creative Commons

Well, I'm not 100% sure that votes didn't disappear -- I'll make sure now. -- Cyan 23:36, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. I have calmed down now. Ark30inf 22:37, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Your interest in pre-1600 England can and should be much indulged at http://www.metaweb.com - especially see list of notable Baroque figures which you can help flesh out. A good bit on the controversies around William Shakespeare, including POV essays which are invited there, would be fun. Also such figures as Jane Grey and Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester would be good to cover.

[edit] Mother Teresa

thanks for the help with the namespace issue. You are right, i intended it to be in my user namespace. Sorry about the earlier problems with the article reversions. Thanks for your support! Alexandros 00:52, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

No, Antonio Martin did not create a false identity for use on VFD, nor did David Stapleton. I'll try to make this more clear on WP:VP. -- Tim Starling 00:35, Oct 29, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the support! And its nice to know that I have a good example of wiki-moderation on you. There is a portuguese saying that goes perdido por um, perdido por mil (if you loose for one, you loose for a thousand), that describes why i accepted. Anyway, sometimes i'm looking around Recent Changes and New Pages and in this way, i can clean the house myself. Cheers, Muriel Gottrop 10:09, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)


I don't understand the minor clarification you gave to the Mormonism as a Christian religion page. Mormons believe that you are saved by both grace and works - therefore, why was it deleted? If Protestants also believe this, then delete the whole bullet. In the mean time, I'm adding back in to properly reflect Mormon theology

Feel free to respond on my or on the "Mormonism as a Christian religion" talk page -Visorstuff

Thanks for the response. No offense was taken by any means - it's just been a few days of heated discussion over the page so I'm sure I over reacted. I'll take a look about how the sentence refers to Catholics having identical beliefs - they do have similar beliefs, but do differ greatly in the area as well. By the way, Purgatory is similar to the Mormon concept of the post-mortal Spirit World. Both are a waiting place for the final judgement. Other than that they do differ greatly. Similar, yet different. Thanks for the interest and edits - definately made the page better. Hope our paths cross on the Wikipedia again... Visorstuff 23:13, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] User:Tester and aliases

You listed these folks on wikipedia:problems users have they gone away yet? I didn't just remove, because it's hard to trace people who mess around with sock puppets... :( Martin 23:32, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The Kurgan is just a sock puppet of mine. The account will only be used to write quotes from the movie Highlander on my talk page, when I'm feeling bored or as the spirit moves me. Sorry for the confusion. -- Cyan 05:46, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Jwrosenzweig, sorry for the pre-emption of your treatment of Dolphin brain. If it's any consolation, I read your treatment (as you know from my comments, ahem!), and I'm sure others with interest in the article read your treatment too. That your writing was imitated by someone else is an indication that the copier judged your writing as cogent or more than what he might have come up with. I predict you'll have many occasions to add to Wikipedia in the near future. orthogonal 00:39, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

re: dolphin brain Doh! I very much apologise for any misconception, I assumed I had acknowledged you in the talk page; but re-reading my entry it is not clear. See section entitled 'Where to go from here.' Also when I added introduction, merged differences from.. and merged brain... I thought it was clear I was using your article when of course it wasn't and isn't. And of course I did much prefer the way you approached the article. I shall rectify said mistake : ChrisG 06:43, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

re: Church of God (Anderson) Hi. Thank you for the thank you, and you're welcome! I see you've made it there, and I will look forward to seeing more contributions by you to that page. I especially like that you gave the reason it is called "Anderson". That slipped my mind. I just created a topic on Feet washing, though not directly related to just the Church of God, might nevertheless interest you. Rlvaughn 04:26, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice about adminship. It was kind of you to take your time to tell me this. I will wait for someone to nominate me I guess, now that I have been informed about the way things usually happen.. Best Wishes and happy wiki-ing! Alexandros 00:02, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I would think we can come up with something catchier than "recent history". "Silicon Forest" is moderately widely used. Google gives over 5,000 hits, though its hard to quickly sort out how many of those might be from the company of that name. Feel free to change it, I promise not to be offended.

In case you didn't notice, this is not mostly my material, its somebody's paper that was dumped into the site. There's still a lot of work to do. The man doesn't seem to even notice that a labor movement exists, this in a town that had a General Strike in 1926. But it's better than nothing, and it's a start. I still have to hit up the paper itself for his references, etc., but I'm busy the rest of the evening & will be on it tomorrow. Hack away, but I'd appreciate if you leave it to me to integrate the major "undigested" material that I'm in the middle of grappling with.

-- Jmabel 01:04, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi, wondered if you'd be interested in joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry? Bmills 11:22, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Re: Nobel prize winners - where are they copyvios from? I can't find them anywhere. Secretlondon 23:52, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)

The ones I have seen are from bartlby, encyclopedia.com or the nobel prize winners site. I'm trying to plough through them as I should be in bed (its past midnight), but clearly there is a lot to clean up. If you've messed up I'll check tomorrow morning. I haven't put mine on VfD as they should probably be all put on together. Also - even if the site he's copying from is GFDL then it needs a reference back to the site. Secretlondon 00:16, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

I think its more likely that Britannica have nicked it/licensed it from the nobel prize winners site. Secretlondon 00:20, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

Welcome aboard. Sestina is very much improved and I have added the Project Poetry boilerplate. I may add a couple more things next week. Away from the internet for the weekemd. Bmills 09:07, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yes, there is someone out there deeply frustrated. I would guess, several people are. For several months I haven't edited one of the articles about Polish regions (just talk pages), and I fear, that it will never be possible again. Several attempts to talk to Taw and Caius2ga failed, because they just ignored me, regardless if I was polite or angry. As I said before, talking to my refrigerator has the same effect. My last hope is the arbitration committee, that will be established in January. If it fails, I will probably stop editing here. -- Baldhur 22:43, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict Users Page

Please take a look at Nicos recent changes to the page. He seems to have censored me partialy and edited the comments moved from Vandalism in progress while taking his name of the list.

24.2.152.139 22:53, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)~

This vandal's shameless lies are marvellous. He deleted himself from the Vandalism in progress page after he had vandalized Lower Silesia (Prussian province). Then he claimed he had moved it to the problems users page, which was a lie. After being confronted with that by several users, he inserted the message at Conflicts between users, not under "24.2.152.139", but under "Nico vs. All", and he also manipulated my text. After I had fixed the heading and replied to his comments, he frankly deleted my answer. He is a known vandal, and in a permanent state of edit war with a dozen of users, including Daniel Quinlan, me and many others. Just look how he totally vandalized Kaliningrad. He is doing nothing but reverting my changes and attacking my person. I think you are wrong about this person. He ought to ble blocked. Quickly. Nico 01:41, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Jwrosenzweig, just wanted to say 'Thanks' for your helpful 'hot potato' note on my Talk page a few days ago. Also to say that the whole topic of place names is being discussed at Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places) right now. If you feel inclined, do take a look and express support for one or other of the proposed conventions. Chris Jefferies 23:39, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi. 142 is hard banned user EndmootsOfTrolls - you don't need to negotiate with him. Secretlondon 21:55, Dec 16, 2003 (UTC)

See user:142.177.etc

[edit] Someone help?

I don't even know where to put this. A well-meaning (I am assuming) newcomer anonymously posted a lot of new pages in the last hour that are copyrighted...somewhere over a dozen. This is taking me forever to track down and fix...will someone help me? Just go to Special:Newpages and check anything from 217.77.109.222. I've tried to communicate with them, and have hopes that they are about to stop. Any help is appreciated. Jwrosenzweig 23:54, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Things are getting more confusing. While some of the posts were from copyrighted sources, others were from a site (www.nobel-winners.com) that claims to release under the GNUFDL. But! It turns out that the nobel-winners site in fact contains (at least in part) copyrighted material it is using from elsewhere, and I can't find anything that says they've gotten permission (see [2] vs. [3] for something they took from Britannica that I assume the EB didn't authorize). What do we do when sites appear to be offering copyrighted material under the GNUFDL? I am truly confused: can anyone provide advice/clarity? Jwrosenzweig 00:23, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Most of those articles seem to consist of one to two sentences. It is so small that calling them "copyright infringements" is worrying unneccessary. BL 00:56, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I am not a lawyer, but when the whole of a short article is copied or many such articles are copied, it is perhaps worth worrying about. See the article on fair use. Daniel Quinlan 02:35, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

Someone should have pointed you at wikipedia:possible copyright infringements (formerly VFD/copyvio). Is this resolved now? Martin 23:26, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

For external sites, browse through Wikipedia:Sites that use Wikipedia for content, and the wikilegal-l mailing list. It's a thorny issue - see wikipedia:verbatim copying for a subset of the issues involved. Martin 00:15, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Mother Teresa

Hi, thank you very much for your comments on Talk:Mother Teresa. I'm sorry for my sharpness there. Having been accused of being in effect in the pay of the Catholic Church I am not exactly a fan of Erik anymore. But please do contribute to the page. It needs a range of people from a range of perspectives to contribute, and given your academic background and the academic skills you possess, I for one would seriously love to see your contributions. The article could with work become something that wikipedia can stand over with pride. It isn't as ludicrously OTT as it was (when it included such POV rubbish as For all Catholics the saving of souls is more important than any material consideration, and for a particularly zealous (and in some ways unsophisticated) Catholic like Mother Teresa, it seems to have been the overriding consideration.!!!) But does need more work to objectise its content, and remove what one of its many critics called its "case for the prosecution" tone.

Thanks in any way for commenting. FearÉIREANN 23:31, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Search for link-tos?

Thanks for leaving me a note! Any ideas on how to search for all links to an article? For instance, if I want to start an article on MoveOn, but would like to see if there is any other demand for it (e.g., stub links to it.) Thanks a bunch! User:Mythrandir 15:25, 23 Dec 2003 (GMT)

[edit] Gore Page

Can you please tell what sections of the Gore article are biased?

The pilots are not in the US, they work for Libyan Airlines (and the like). They came here, went to flight school here, and then...they went home. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Al Qaeda attacked the US. I have seen circumstantial evidence that the government might have been behind 9/11 -- I certainly have no way of knowing, but it wouldnt surprise me if something like Operation Northwoods had occurred. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Thanks for your offer of help re: WTO, but I now gather that the deleted material was copyrighted material, readily found elsewhere in the web, and with which I'm already familiary. I do plan to get back to this one, but it's not the head of my list. -- Jmabel 21:57, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon feminist excommunicated by LDS Church over ERA issue

Sonia Johnson. I'll add her to the list. B 23:27, Jan 6, 2004 (UTC)

I didn't really check, I just assumed that was it...but Bartleby.com has 1273, as does every other site now that I look it up on Google. Adam Bishop 00:15, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I very much doubt it is EofT based on his edits. EofT certainly never made a habit of trolling VfD. If it is any banned user, I would guess BuddhaInside, but I don't know that is the case. Angela. 00:34, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] God

Yes indeed I do love God, and strive to celebrate him in all that I do. As per mydog, 1. his name is intentionally offensive, and was only allowed at all for the thinest of reasons (apparently there was not "enough" complaint on the mailing list. 2. If his name wasn't intentionally designed to offend, but rather said something inane about God, like say "my dog ate God's steak", or any number of other stupid things which wouldn't be "misinterpreted" (he clearly ment to offend, and its no accident that the name does so. I knew that even before I saw his previous user names) it would still be rude and unnecessarilly disrespectful to refer to God in that way. 3. Some allegations (which I don't agree with, BTW) have been made that any name which refers to a religious subject in any way are necessarilly innapropriate. "Jesussaves" has come under attack for this. While I may not agree with it, this shows a precedent for persecuting those who make reference to religious figures, respectful or otherwise. 4. The only reason why this has been allowed for so long is the extremely disproportionate amount of anti-theist atheism found in general amongst academia, and in particular online. This is an unhealthful circumstance, and the ill effects are easilly noticable on any pages related to religious matters. Names like his only encourage this unfortunate lack of diversity, and make users such as myself increasingly uncomfortable with a community which so clearly allows disrespect for that which is sacred. Jack 01:36, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I hope that my explanation has been of some benifit to you, and I think it may be best to move both your question and my response to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. I will leave this here for the time being, to allow you to review it for a period of time, Feel free to move both yourself, and to delete this final portion . If you do not, I very well might. Jack 01:36, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] User Bans

I mostly wanted to make 110% sure that there WAS an admin or a mod who know's about the issue, and is keeping track of it. I've seen good sites go down to Nazisim and Communisim, as once one gets in, they invite all their buddies. Pellaken 15:50, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Jerry Lawler

Nice quick fix. Decumanus 01:33, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] see my talk page

mav 03:11, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] University of New Mexico

Thanks for expanding University of New Mexico, good work! Optim 01:01, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)