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About your edit on Talk:June 29. You may want to see WP:WikiProject Days of the year; Even if a movie is important, they generally aren't included in day articles. Also, Ratatouille (film) won at the Oscars or Academy Award, not the Oscar's!!! Cheers, Reywas92Talk 00:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

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You have to show why that name is important - sources showing how many people have the name, notable people with that name - otherwise this becomes the telephone directory not an encyclopedia. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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RE: Greetings

Jai Swaminarayan!

Thanks for the greetings. I'm curious; which particularly Swaminarayan-related edits are you referring to? -- Harish - 23:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate. Thanks to you to for your edits. Hope you keep them constructive. I'm a BAPS follower. How about you? If you need any help editing, please feel free to ask. I should let you know that it's not easy to edit, some people follow strict policies set by the wikipedia people. Haha, yeah I replied quick - happened to be online is all. Hard to miss that message at the top which lets you know about new messages. -- Harish - 23:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I'm at a mandir in Luton (not far from London). What's your region? By the way - you don't have to delete your messages. -- Harish - 23:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. I've heard great things about the Chicago mandir. Did you take full laabh when Bapa was over their? I'm a kishore too, Another year and I'm a yuvak which sucks haha.-- Harish - 23:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Dignitaries and records mean nothing compared to the spiritual enlightenment that you receive from being at a mandir. I've found one or two other satsangi editors, but they didn't stick around. And no, I don't mind you messaging me bro. -- Harish - 22:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Haha, yeah I saw. I happened to write to him as you wrote to me. You're quite the networker - you could make that a useful seva.-- Harish - 22:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


Jai Swaminarayan,

Thank you for the greetings. I guess you were referring to my edits Bhagwan Swaminarayan related pages(because of the greeting you used and because I couldnt help noticing the above conversation). Good to know that there are other satsangi's on Wikipedia who devote time to Swaminarayan-related articles. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 18:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I take it that user 69.208.135.5 is you. Thanks again your the compliment - you yourself have made some notable edits which I compliment. No, I am not a member of BAPS, but of the Original Swaminarayan Sampraday. I do however, hold BAPS in the highest regard (I have infact visited BAPS temples in Gandhinagar (Akshardham) and London (Neasden), and they are architectural wonders). I am from Mumbai, presently pursuing my postgraduation in the UK. Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, its great meeting other satsangi's on such a forum - Pl. do contact me in case you need any help. BY the way - what is a Kishore (Bal Satsangi??) Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - dint know that. Both - actually I am a member of the Swamirayan Sampraday, the Vadtal Gaadi and the Ahmedabad Gaadi together form the Swaminarayan Sampraday. If you ask which gaadi I come under, well my ancestorial roots are in Kutch, which comes under Ahmedabad and Mumbai, where my family has been based for more than a century now, comes under Vadtal, so again I consider myself under both. So your from Indianapolis - considering your a kishore, I guess your still in university like me. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Harish - you seem to be good at networking. Considering your still at high school, I must compliment your knowledge, specially of the Swaminarayan Faith. To be frank, altough I visited the temple from time to time when I was in school and had some knowledge on Bhagwan Swaminarayan then, it was only when I was in juniour college (In India (Esp. Bombay) we follow the 10 + 2 + 3 format so its school, junior college and degree college) when I learned a lot about the faith. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Muktanand Swami and Paramhansa

As for the first article, no problem, just make sure that you know the correct facts when you edit in the future. As for Paramhansa, I'm a bit confused. You mean that you have 2 Paramhansa articles with different spellings? If that is the case then the article with the right or most used spelling should be made the main article. The other two spellings can redirect to it (use the toolbox on top of the edit section for a redirect). In case you meant that the Muktanand Swami page should be merged with Paramhansa, I dont think that would be right. What you could do is have a small section on Muktanand Swami on the Paramhansa page and mention there that the main article on Muktanand Swami is Muktanand Swami. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'v just gone through the two pages, and there's no doubt that they need to be merged (Infact theres been a discussion on that - have you seen that? - I suggest you do). I am not aware of the rules on merging articles on wikipedia - have not merged articles before. By facts right I meant that you should know the correct facts before you edit, like in the case of Muktanand Swami you mentioned that you 'thought' that there was no Sampraday at that point, whereas the Swaminarayan Sampraday was very much there at that time. Dont get me wrong, I dint mean to criticise you in any way, just wanted you to know that you should know the facts when you edit. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Juthani1, I'v not actually gone through the articles again - but if you say you have completed the merge, what you so is you need to delete all the info on the alternate page and redirect it to the page where you have merged the info. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 10:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just saw this after editing another article. I see Wheredevelsdare has looked it over and he's made some good observations and points. With Muktanand Swami, he is also correct to say that there indeed was a Sampraday, during his time, it simply just wasn't referred to as the Swaminarayan Sampraday. Good find though, thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- Harish - 00:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Harish, again you might be right to say that the Sampraday was not known as the Swaminarayan Sapraday at that time (As before Swaminarayan Sampraday it was known as the Uddhav Sampraday from Ramanand Swami's (Who was an incarnation of Uddhavji)time, but I do not know exactly from when the name changed over .. I will try and find some source to tell when the name actually changed .. I hope that will be alright with you guys). One thing I forgot to mention earier, is that Muktanand Swami was instrumental in getting Sahajanand Swami (Neelkanth Varni) into the Sampraday fold. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 10:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Juthani1, You can use my navigation box for sure. I think you are also Gujarati, If you have any query about editing then just give me message! Happy Editting. Gaurang | Talk 05:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


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Secret Page

Nope! Well done. You did it. Except you didn't. You haven't found my secret page - are you sure you were looking properly? Sorry...

Remember: It's all linked. There's at least three possible pages...

Hope to see you trying again,

microchip08 (find my secret page!) 19:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S. In regards to your comment: It's not the "real" page - try highlighting the page to see why. Try looking for hidden links around my userspace, and it will take you to my secret page, hopefully. You'll know it's the right one when it comes up with a message inviting you to do "Level Two"... Hope this helps! microchip08 (find my secret page!) 19:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Compare the actual Sonnet 29 to the text on my clue. microchip08 (find my secret page!) 08:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
There is one, I just forgot to link it. However, you don't seem to have signed (type ~~~~ on the final page to sign), so I can't be sure that you have actually done it. Do it again, and remember to sign... I'll add the barnstar in a minute. microchip08 (find my secret page!) 19:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
The actual "secret page". microchip08 (find my secret page!) 08:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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Re:Swami Narayan

I will clarify my position in a few weeks time and will bring experience Hinduism-related editors to this discussion, so that Swami-narayan devotees don't distort the facts. The one point I bring up now however, is that you said he is god in Swaminarayanism, which is not Hinduism, but one minor sect. I would request you to explain between him, and Chaitnya Mahaprabhu from the perspectives of the Gaudiya Vaishnavas. Thanks GizzaDiscuss © 07:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Autograph book

Jai Swaminarayan bhai, just letting you know I signed it. -- Harish - 17:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Bhagwan Swaminarayan

JSN,

Cool down mate - u sounded really hot in the msg u left - yea i had a problem with the edit and objected on the talk page. I hv just gone thru the conv. bttn u and Dagizza - and his profile. This chap is an administrator and probably knows what he is doing. He too has agreed in the above message to have a discussion on this (and bring in experts) - you can also raise your objections (make sure that your objections are not based on your point of view and on actual facts and that you have proof to back up those facts - otherwise the objections you raise will be redundant - remember wikipedia is a global public forum). I have kept Harish too in the loop of things - it is together that we all can make the article on Shreeji Maharaj an exellent article. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 07:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What I want to tell you is that nobody has won a war when they fight with anger, without realising the concequences, a war is won by playing it like a game of chess, slowly and thoughtfully. By no means is this a war, but in this sense life is like a war, you must think and do things and not loose your cool, whatever the matter may be, and victory will always be yours. You are young, know a lot, but still have a lot to learn (things that come with age - makes me sound tooooo old - dosnt this!!!), and if you go about things properly, you can go a long way. As for your suggestion, I dont think that would be the right way to go as in some ways you may be right, but after all Bhagwan is like a guru, but he is not a guru but Bhagwan himself, so putting him in a guru category would not be correct according to me - I think putting someone like Ramanand Swami in a guru category is totally correct, however Shri Hari is the Lord himself. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
JSN, you need not be sorry - you did the right thing - put your views forward on the talk page of the article - and I told you my views. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 01:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Bhai, I strongly recommend you do not take matters like this and allow them to be turned into personal issues (e.g. taking it to Gizza's talk page). It should be left in the talk page of the article at question, furthermore this personal method puts more of a focus on the issue, meaning that it's gonna be a bigger issue to answer to. Whilst we should defend our beliefs, we have to respect other people's stance... so to take it to him personally is addressing a manner that we cannot simply change his mind on, and with him being more authoritative on Wikipedia (he's an administrator, as it's been pointed out), it's easier for him to want to keep a lock on this once he feels like he's not won, as such. Put it like this: did you ever here about stories from back in the day, where sanstha's would put their beliefs on the line in debates, and whoever would win the debate, would claim the followers of the losing sanstha, thus changing their beliefs? In this situation, if this debate goes on and he feels that his mind hasn't been swayed, being the admin he can effective push his views ahead, and leave Bhagwan Swaminarayan simply to be seen as a guru. I have more to say, but I gotta go out so I'm leaving my point there. Just be prepared. I'll help as I can. -- Harish - 18:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I have made a userbox for Maharaj's followers, you could add this to your user page if you like, just add {{user:UBX/Swaminarayan}} to your user page. Regards, Wheredevelsdare (talk) 01:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Appologies - btw .. saw ur userboxes .. my god you have quite a few!! 1 thing I noticed was tht u hv both NRI and PIO boxes. How can u be both? an NRI is one who is an Indian Citizen and resident of another country .. and a PIO is a person of Indian origin but a citizen of another country .. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 07:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, may be wrong but the article u sd clearly mentions tht an NRI is an Indian Citizen who ... (implying tht all NRI are Indian Citizens). Yea, it does include the common useage part, but officially NRI have gotta be Indian Citizens ..Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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Project on Genetics

This is not ok, this is fantastic! Thank you so much! I hope these banners will help us improving those articles. NCurse work 20:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Bhagwan Swaminarayan

Hello Juthani1. I see you have edited articles related to Bhagwan Swaminarayan. I am a member of the Vaishnavism wikiproject, Wikipedia:WikiProject Hinduism/Vaishnavism. I was wondering if you had any information on whether the followers of Bhagwan Swaminarayan consider themselves to be a part of the Vaishnava religious tradition. I know many scholars place them within this category. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks you very much. That clears a lot up for me. Please let me know if I can ever be of assistance to you. Thanks again. Ism schism (talk) 23:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: ?

It's a few days old. It may have been taken down already. doesn't matter. Reywas92Talk 20:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Premanand Swami

Read ur msg on the Bhagwan Swaminarayan page bout the above article, have created it - take a look. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Sig.

No sweat. By the way. Where ever u got the top box from u need to put who originally had it (where you found it) in a note at the bottom. e.g. "With Courtesy to ........". Just a pointer. Chubbennaitor 08:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

User pages showing in article space

I still would like to see your user pages removed from the article space categories. This is from Wikipedia:User page#What may I not have on my user page?: "Categories and templates intended for other usage, in particular those for articles and guidelines" -- Alan Liefting- (talk) - 00:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

MCOTW

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RE: Aarti

I hv no idea about the criteria for doin tht - as for the Swaminarayan Bhagwan page, thanks for letting me know - was on holiday for some time, Wheredevelsdare (talk) 10:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Bhagwan Swaminarayan

Juthani, thank you for your recent edits to the Bhagwan Swaminarayan article concerning references. Presently, I only have a few books on my shelf concerning Hinduism that discuss Bhagwan Swaminarayan though I am not sure that citing them would of been sufficient. Thanks again. Ism schism (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I came here with ref. to the above. We must get the references in order, Wheredevelsdare (talk) 21:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Have put as many references as I could - by in order I meant in place, Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I am not well educated on this subject, but there might be other editors interested in Vaishnava related articles. If either of you have any concerns and feel others can be of assistance, please feel free to post such concerns at, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism/Vaishnavism. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Well Im not well versed with rules out here oñ such stuff - if u do pl go ahead or else leave it for someone else, Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
?? wht r u talking bout - hv only spoken to u bout this .. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I meant the general rule on wiki regarding the non-ref tags, Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

"Resign"

You should type something like "updating signature" - "resign" might make people think you are "resigning from the project" ;> xenocidic (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. Nice sig. xenocidic (talk) 23:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Autograph Book Barnstar
For signing my autograph book I User Swirlex present you with this Barnstar.

Userpage

If you can't update your userpage, even if the preview doesn't work, in less than 15 edits, then try working on some articles instead. You're up to 300 edits to your userpage alone, and it's clogging up my watchlist! Including subpages, you have more than twice the number of userspace edits than mainspace! Reywas92Talk 00:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Why did you do that? Really. You don't need it. Answer here. Reywas92Talk 21:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

First, I said to anwser here. Second, it isn't going to do anything because there's a link to the new page right below the edit box. Why don't you finish the New York state symbols page now. Reywas92Talk 21:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Why do you even need all that anyway? The featured article, In the news, On this Day, Picture and Did you know are on the convenient main page. Reywas92Talk 21:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Jai Swaminarayan

I think its notable enough to remain - its tagged as a stub so size dosnt matter as long as its got proper references - which it hasnt - I would suggest we add references instead - what do you think? Wheredevelsdare (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Have added a ref on the Jai Swaminarayan Page. Have not found a Jai Shri Krishna page or a Jai Shri Ram page for that matter. Yes, we could make one, Wheredevelsdare (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Iv heard it before .. dont know how widely its used though .. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The only difference I see between this article and other religious terms is that this one is not fleshed out and well sourced. Other Hindu religious traditions have articles for their mantra such as Aum Namah Shivaya and the chant Hare Krishna. I will look for some sources for this one - As far as tags... I would place an "underconstruction" tag on the article until it can be fleshed out and well sourced. I will be glad to help with any articles if I can. For the Swaminarayan articles, there really are only a few editors, so it will take time to flesh out some of these articles specific to this tradition. There needs to be more articles about this valuable tradition. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I hope I can help. I have begun a list of potential sources on the article's talk page. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea we cld do tht. Ism schism has listed out a few potential sources tht cld b used. Im trying to trace the history - no luck yet. Yes, aftr this v cld turn our attn to Jai Shri Krishna. BTW did u no tht Jai Sri Ram redirects to the 90's blockbuster film Hum Aapke Hain Koun...! .. !! Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Motto project question

It looks like you placed it in the wrong section, where we put mottos that have already been voted on and are waiting to be archived or added to the schedule. I've moved it back up to the "In Review" section and left a comment. You may want to work on the motto a little - mottos are supposed to relate to Wikipedia somehow by reflecting the spirit of the community, and I'm really not seeing how the motto as it currently stands does that at all. I'd suggest adding some links, and perhaps providing a funny or witty answer to the question, to both give the motto some meaning and make it "pop". Thanks for your suggestion, though. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Swaminarayan Workgroup

Just to let you know tht Iv signed on - and will try and get some others to do so too .. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 09:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed something - there are today 47 articles in the Swaminarayan category - and I find that we can make new articles on quite a few new subjects related to Swaminarayan (I just added a Nishkulanand Swami article yest. for example). Thus I think it might make sense to change This would be a Workgroup under the Hinduism Wikiproject which works on about 15 article related to this sect of Hinduism to This would be a Workgroup under the Hinduism Wikiproject which will work to Expand and Maintain present articles and add new ones on the subject. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 09:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand wht u say but categories cant b changed. When there was a proposal for changing Category: Swaminarayan sect of Hinduism, to somethng like Swaminarayan Faith, I read tht theres a prob in the wikimedia software tht prevents u frm moving a category. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

What do u mean by ''it'' - Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Please note that the saints on the template are recognised as Swaminarayan Sampraday saints. These were initiated by Bhagwan Swaminarayan himself and were not part of any other sanstha until their death. Other groups may claim that they were their saints also but the fact of the matter is that all these saints left for akshardham well before BAPS or any other group was formed - so it is clear that they are Swaminarayan Sampraday saints. If you have proof that Im wrong, pl. correct me and Ill be happy to change it. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Iv given it a thought. What you say is right, in theory there should be only one Swaminarayan template. However, there are practical difficulties in this. There are several different groups claiming spiritual succession and each has their own philosophy. For example, Our Mandirs are different, our leaders are different, our scriptures are different (I understand that BAPS et all follow only a part of the Shikshapatri and not the whole thing and they do not recognise the Desh Vibhag no Lekh as the last and final testament of Sahajanand Swami Maharaj). Thus it would be impossible to have one template. I know that having two templates on one page will cause conflict, that is the reason I have refrained putting the template on the Bhagwan Swaminarayan page. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 16:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know tht all articles are neutral and that only important ones go on the template (the articles on the template arnt the only sampraday articles). However, I dont c how ur gonna work this more important thing. You cannot have Baps and Sampraday mandirs toghether on one template neither can you have the Acharyas and Pramukh Swamiji toghether as leaders. Further, altough BAPS may follow some Sampraday saints, the Sampraday does not recognise any Baps saints. As for the Shikshapatri, the original written by Swaminarayan Bhagwan himself is with the Oxford University and contains 212 slokhs. Our Cardiff temple webisite has all the slokhs on [1]. I think that BAPS recognises only a part of it - I have no clue of the reasoning but I guess it may be because that part has instructions regarding Acharyas. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


Out of curosity, if BAPS does recognise the full shikshapatri, then how can you follow slokh 41, which states, My disciples, who are twice-born (i.e. who belong to the first three classes, Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya) and who have been initiated as such (i.e. as disciples) by their Acharya, (who is a descendant of the family of Shri Dharmadev) shall wear on their neck, double lined necklace prepared from Tulsi beads and shall put on their forehead (and on bosom or chest, and two arm also) a vertical mark (tilak).. Also, 62. says Shall worship only those idols that have been blessed by Bhagwan or by the Acharyas. There are other slokhs too that contain similar instructions, how is it then that BAPS followers do not follow the Acharyas.

U seem adamant on the universal template! Well go ahead and start work, Im willing to accept it if it serves the purpose, though im sceptical that it will. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


As I said Im willing to accept it if it serves the purpose (though im sceptical that it will). Wheredevelsdare (talk) 20:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ha Ha, not two, several groups. If u look at succession on the Bhagwan Swaminarayan page, u will find that other groups like Swaminarayan gadi (commonly known as Swaminarayan Maninagar) and Gunatit Samaj also claim succession. I think a total of 7 groups claim succession!! Its sad - everytime theres an issue there seems to be a split, but thats reality. The Swaminarayan Sampraday was of course the original, and BAPS the first to split. I understand thesè are the larger ones and the others split from one of these at some point in time.

Swaminarayan Sampraday

As for Shri Swaminarayan Temples, only a Swaminarayan Sampraday temple is known as Shri Swaminarayan Mandir or Shri Swaminarayan Temple, as the Acharya has to have done the murti pratistha for it to be a Swaminarayan Temple. That is why a BAPS temple will be called BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir/Temple and other groups too will mk their change. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


Well its nt tht I know everything either. I think I would go back to Slokh 62 of the Shikshapatri, Shall worship only those idols that have been blessed by Bhagwan or by the Acharyas.. No BAPS temple has been blessed by any of the Acharyas. You will always find a BAPS temple called BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir and not just Shri Swaminarayan Mandir.

FYI Swaminarayan has been added to the name (BAPS) recently as when it was ex-communicated, Shastri Harijeevandasji of Vadtal defeated BAPS in a court case in terms of philosophy which meant BAPS could not use the name Swaminarayan at the time. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Well I dont think you know your history. Bhagwan thought it best that the head of the Sampraday should be a householder and not a sadhu. He therefore appointed his nephews as Acharya and their bloodline continues i.e., the Acharyas are from the Dharmakul family (Family of Dharmadev, Bhagwans father). There is only one Acharya who sits on the Gadi at one time. ATM Acharya Shree Koshalendraprasadji Maharaj is the Acharya of the NarNarayan Dev Gadi and Acharya Shree Rakeshprasadji Maharaj is the Acharya of the LaxmiNarayan Dev Gadi. The division bettween the Gadi's is called the Desh Vibhag Lekh. If u need further info on the sampraday, visit the Swaminarayan Sampraday page or ask me.

I think BAPS or Shastriji Maharaj had a diff. in philosophy, so he left Vadtal Temple, where he was a sadhu and set up BAPS and was then excommunicated. Having said the above, as Iv mentioned earlier I have nothing against BAPS, though I dont treat BAPS Mandirs as a Swaminarayan Mandir when I visit it. Bhagwan has said in the Shikshapatri that his followers should prey to only those forms of Krishna blessed by the Acharya and Bow down to the rest (But not prey). When I vsit a BAPS Mandir, I just bow down. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 18:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thts wht I mentiond earlier, the other groups hv split frm the Sampraday or BAPS. If you hv the same thing (Slokh 62), then how is it tht BAPS does not recognise the Acharyas?? Wheredevelsdare (talk) 18:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the Barnstar - though Im not sure Im tht knowledgeable on the topic.

Well the dispute regarding Gunatitanand Swami is that why dint Bhagwan make it official if he wanted him as successor?? He appointed Acharyas instead and put Gopalanand Swami, not Gunatitanand Swami incharge before he left. Gunatitanand Swami mentioned nothing of this sort, and until he left for Akshardham, he held the post of Mahant Swami of Junagadh - if tht was the case he wld have laid his claim as successor.

In case of the violence, it is untolerable if true - I dint know about this so I wldnt like to comment without further knowledge.

Court Cases between BAPS and the Swaminarayan Sampraday. The jist of it is BAPS saints go to preach at Swaminarayan Sampraday temples and the Acharya files a case. He wins as he proves that BAPS have been ex-communicated and do not give allegiance to Vadtal therefore they have no right to enter premises which belong to Swaminarayan Sampraday. (Appeal no.165 of 1940 in the court of the disctrict judge, kaira, at nadiad from decree in reg. civil suit no. 519 of 1936 of the court of the sub-judge Mr. P. B. Patel of borsad). The Judgement was given by District Judge, Mr. J.D. Kapadiya, who delivered his judgement on 29 November 1943. Further as I said earlier, Swaminarayan has been added to the name (BAPS) recently as when it was ex-communicated, Shastri Harijeevandasji of Vadtal defeated BAPS (Read Shasriji Maharaj) in a court case in terms of philosophy which meant BAPS could not use the name Swaminarayan at the time.

Apart from the above, the Sampraday has consistently had problems of our own. Several cases have been filed and fought in various courts. There are 2 major Cases I will mention. One, where a person was enthroned as the Ahmedabad Acharya (as per the will of the Acharya who died) and a person of the Dharmakul disputed it, he felt he was the rightful person as next Acharya and filed a case. He lost it because according to the Lekh, Acharyas can appoint their next in line (from the dharmakul, and the person has to fufill some other points as well). Second, there was an Acharya of the Vadtal Gadi who claimed all temple property as his personal property. A few satsangis got together and opposed this in court. They cited the Lekh, where its clearly mentioned that for the Vadtal Gadi, all property and income is owned by Laxminarayan dev himself and they Acharya is the caretaker (and Narnarayan dev for the Ahmedabad Gadi). This Acharya was removed by the court and another person from the Dharmakul was enthroned Acharya. In both cases the Lekh had a big role to play, as the court accepted it as Bhagwans last will and testament.

I think ur mixing things up - Sampraday Mandirs are also known as temples , its just tht others hv their own prefix, like BAPS will say BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir etc. They cannot say they are just Swaminarayan Temples becoz they are not blessed by the Acharya - legally they cannot.

No the Acharyas are the head of the Sampraday , we bow down to them, but they are not Bhagwan so we dont prey to them (altough Bhagwan said tht Acharyas are his form on earth), we pray only to Bhagwan - Narnarayan Dev, Laxminarayan Dev, Hari Krishna Maharaj, Radha Raman Dev etc. The Lekh subdivides the Sampraday - there is only one Sampraday, internally subdivided into 2. There is no testament - the courts hv accepted the Lekh as his testament. Well, you will need to ask Bhagwan himself why he made it!! The Acharyas appoint the Sadhus. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Well it has other points too - u can read it on [2], Wheredevelsdare (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Swaminarayan intro

Was just thinking - Harish seems to hv dissappeared - any idea bout it?/ Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

k .. by the way do u no anything bout the Gathering of Vadodara? Iv made the article, but I cant find the year in which it took place .. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Well I dont hv a copy of tht on hand - I got info tht this was recorded in the Satsagi Jeevan - but dont hv tht either. Will update the Muktanand Swami page. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 14:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Noticed ur msg on Bhudiya2's page - hes frm the Sampraday and hes one of the ppl I left a msg to join the workgroup. We have worked together on Swaminarayan Articles .. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup, but hes missing!! Go to the Lost person cell - LOL. Wht I think u shld do is try and email him (if he has email this user enabled) or leave him another msg. Iv left a msg for another couple of ppl as well - hopefully they too will join in .. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Dont worry, think hes been on wiki for a long time now - so dont thnk he wld juz go off like tht - mostprob hes taken a wikibreak and will come bak sooner or later. We can start off w/o him too and get him to sign on later. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Dosnt make a diff really - the work has to be done and thts the moot point. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 10:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Just had a look at the Bhagwan Swaminarayan page - I suggest that if the chap insists the name be put down as Sahajanand Swami as that is the name used in all the official documents. If u saw the desh Vibhag Lekh, you wld hv noticed tht tht has also been signed by Sahajanand Swami. The editor may hv removed Bhagwan Swaminarayan as tht is only used by his followers and not his official name (He may hv thgt Ghanshyam Pande is his official name ..). Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I use it becoz things are diff bttn organisations - for eg. the aarti and thaal sung in a BAPS mandir has different wordings. When I make an article, I refer to the original Swaminarayan Sampraday version and mention tht. I hv no prob if u want to call the such articles Swaminarayan sect articles, but incase you would say want to add BAPS wording with ref to the above, I would insist you do in say a new article like BAPS Aarti or BAPS Thaal. With ref to the Bhagwan Swaminarayan page - I did not put tht - Cunando did. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Iv heard both versions of the Aarti - wht u mentioned is after the Aarti - the only diff i found in the Aarti is BAPS says Narayan Muni Brata instead of Narayan Nar Brata and Swaminarayan Maninagar says Narayan Sukh Brata. The Thaal though is really different. You hv visited Vadtal - thts gr8 - ur one up on me - of Bhagwans original temples Iv been to Ahmedabad, Bhuj, Jungadh and Gadhada - not been to Vadtal or Dholera temples. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thts good - I too want to finish the list by going to Vadtal and Dholera. BTW when I redirected Premanand Swami to Bhagwan Swaminarayan you cried foul!! Now, you w/o making a Nityanand Swami page, put a Bhagwan Swaminarayan link!! Wht Iv done is Iv made a seperate Nityanand Swami page and redirected it to the Bhagwan page - but Ill add the article in the next few days.Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Ill explain -

  • You made a Nityanand Swami dissambag
  • Now, you wrote Nityanand Swami, A Swaminarayan Paramhansa but the Nityanand Swami was actually a link to the Bhagwan Swaminarayan page!!
  • I made a seperate Nityanand Swami page tht presently redirect to the Bhagwan page - but the disambang redirects to the Nityanand Swami page.
  • I will, as and when I get the time, add the article in the next few days

Hope its clear now - Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Infact , I think Ill start by putting up a stubby right away. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Well the disambag shows ur name in the history - forget it - Iv added a stubby now and will be expanding shortly - pl. feel free to add stuff if ya want to though. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 00:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I only realised when u added the link to the Paramhansas section. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 00:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Do u guys believe in Narnarayan Dev and Laxminarayan Dev? A Narnarayan Dev pg exists - but theres no Laxminarayan Dev page - was thinking of making one and might need a little help. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 00:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, let u no when m working on it - Wheredevelsdare (talk) 00:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

JSN - had a look - u hv done a gr8 job!! I dont no why uv added the 2 Gadis there - if u hv a reason mk sure they r marked something like Vadtal Gadi of Swaminarayan Sampraday or it can be misleading. But, frankly, I see no use of this ahead of the main Bhagwan article. The issues still exist. You cannot hv this on the Sampraday or BAPS page as it mentions the other - something I wld like to avoid. Same goes with Mandirs of both sides, Acharyas and ur Gurus etc. However, its good for the Bhagwan Swaminarayan page. I wld suggest u mk a see also section above notes and add it there. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 11:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Well as I explained above - Having a BAPS link on the Sampraday page and vice versa, having a Sampraday mandir link on a BAPS mandir page and vice versa, having a Acharaya link on the Pramukh Swami page and vice versa - all this could be avoided. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Do u mean the williams ref? I thnk tht has something to do with it being a book. dont no exactly why. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

no idea - i thgt the notes and ref section shld b the other way round - get wht i mean (reverse). Wheredevelsdare (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

yup - thts fine. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 12:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wht? Dude if u guys thgt tht ur part of the Sampraday u wld be following the Acharya, whch u dont - so tht means ur nt part of the Sampraday. BTW try to show proof rather than emotion on talk pages (Im refering to ur edit at 19.36 on 2n May on the Talk pg of Bhagwan Swaminarayan. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 21:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Swaminarayan Template

The temple enlists the first 6 Swaminarayan temples twice - could u pl. fix tht. Also think of deleting old discussions frm ur talk page man - its huuuugggeeee. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at Template: Swaminarayan - Temples such as Ahmedabad, Vadtal etc are listed twice. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope, there are 8, 6 of which were constucted by him. There is intension of adding more - but that will happen over a period of time. Do u need a sep. section for temples made by him - as they hv always been part of the Sampraday they can just be listed there only. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

No probs - wld make it easier for u and others if u did stuff in less edits - but if theres a prob dont worry its fine. Nope, this is fine - only thing is repitition - thts y I suggested u list them only under the Sampraday - do u hv a prob with tht? Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hv expanded the Nityanand Swami page - its still small compared to other paramhansa articles - but atleast it covers the all the main points now. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Just had a look at both - Im not 100% about either (sidebar - mines too dark, urs too similar to the title) - do as u feel best. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 20:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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What is it's name? And anyway, what I do, is just make them. The proposals don't go anywhere (except for WP:M*A*S*H, which wasn't accomplished much anyhow). In my experience, this is the best solution. Establish your project by getting about 12 members, start making edits to the articles in the scope, and soon somepeople will join. Basketball110 My story/Tell me yours 22:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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