Talk:Just a Minute

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Just a Minute was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: October 9, 2007

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Contents 1 History 2 Original title 3 Getting Episodes 4 TV version 'Object' round 5 Quick/initial GA review 6 Examples of making the full minute in one attempt 7 GA nomination – on hold

[edit] History

"....recalling a Latin master (Parry Jones) from his school days who punished him with the task of speaking for sixty seconds without hesitating or repeating himself. To this, he added a rule preventing players deviating from the subject presented by the show's chairman, as well as a scoring system based on panellists' correct and incorrect challenges."

This slightly contradicts the history on the program's own website which states:

"He suddenly remembered being given the horrible task of speaking for one minute without hesitation or deviation by one of his school masters".

Therefore I have amended the article to reflect this.

Myredroom 15:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original title

This programme was originally called "One Minute Please", so should this be added to the history section? ACEO 18:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't find any reference to this on the BBC's pages or anywhere else on the Web (after a brief search). Could you source it perhaps? Chris 42 19:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getting Episodes

Could we have a section on the episodes released by the BBC?

[edit] TV version 'Object' round

It's not a "Mystery Object" round - it was perfectly obvious what the object was - the point was that the panel had to talk about an object which appeared in the middle of the desk on a revolving turntable, rather than a subject. Fixed. 217.155.138.250 16:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick/initial GA review

Someone else will come along and conduct a more formal review soon. My initial observation, and the article's major hurdle to GA status, is the lack of reliable sources. The geocities site, that is frequently cited, is not a RS. At one paragraph, the lead does not adequately cover the article. There are a lot of bullet points, which I'd delistify and turn into prose. Anyway, I'm not going to bother officially putting this on hold -- I have a feeling that another reviewer would quick fail this because of the sources issue. Run a Google search and try to collect better references. The rationale for Image:Just a Minute.jpg does not make clear why the image is actually required? I think it's there for pretty picture sake. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to improve the article, including finding a better source for references. ISD 18:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

What about bbc.co.uk? [1] The JPS^{talk to me} 18:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Examples of making the full minute in one attempt

It would be nice to know how many times a contestant has been able to speak for the full minute without challenge. Also, a transcript of some of the full minute speeches would be fun to see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.161.223 (talk) 09:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I've added an example performed by Sheila Hancock. ISD 13:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination – on hold

Having reviewed this article, I am happy that it meets the GA criteria in respect of neutrality and stability. However, I have concerns regarding:

1. Broad coverage – For a show that's been running for nearly 40 years, I would expect that an article would devote some space to its critical and cultural impact. This seems to be a pretty major defect in the article as it stands.
2. Images – Fair use rationale is OK but,I'm not convinced that free use images of Nicholas Parsons and the other regulars can't be obtained and used in this article.
3. Well-written, factually accurate and verifialble: I have some specific concerns here

• Lead

• Should be longer per WP:LEAD
• “...which has been running continuously since its first broadcast on December 22, 1967...” - awkward use of English; reads like it has been broadcasting 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for 40 years!
• “Just a Minute is one of the longest running programmes on Radio 4, as both were created in the same year.” - Again, awkward English; I don't think one uses the verb “created” for a radio station.

• History:

• “Originally known as One Minute Please”. - when did the name change to Just A Minute? Lead should reflect that series was originally known by a different name.
• “A pilot for the show was created in 1967...” - I think the correct verb here should be “recorded”.
• “The chairman was originally planned to be Jimmy Edwards, but he was replaced with Parsons, who has chaired the show ever since” - You don't need a comma after “Edwards” (“but is a conjunctive word”); insert “Nicholas” before “Parsons” as this is the first time in the body of the text (as opposed to the lead) that he is mentioned; did Jimmy Edwards ever present the show? The text, as written, is unclear as to whether he was replaced before or after the pilot.
• “The show broadcast on 10 July 2006 featured the highest scorer, Paul Merton, with a record-shattering 24 points (beating his previous record of 23 points)” - Achieving a score of 24 beating a previous best of 23 is hardly “record-shattering”! Again, the English here is torturous. Suggest “Paul Merton currently holds the record for the highest score reached by a contestant, attaining a score of 24 on the show broadcast on 10 July 2006 (beating his previous record of 23 points)”

• Rules

• “the rulings do not seem to be consistent” - please “avoid use of weasel words”.
• “The general rule as stated by Nicholas Parsons is that Just a Minute is a radio show so they must go on sounds alone, which is why saying "BBC" is considered repetition” - citation needed here.

• Participants

• “The host of Just a Minute is Nicholas Parsons. He has held this position since the show's inception”. - This contradicts the line in the paragraph above that states “There were three panellists and a chairman, with the latter position 'rotating' each week and the previous incumbent joining the panel.”. Which is correct?
• “Third was Peter Jones, who once said that in all his years of playing the game, he never quite got the hang of it” - A citation is required here.
• “However, Paul Merton is now considered a regular” - How long has Merton been on the show? Have there been any other regulars outside of Merton and the original four?

• TV versions

• “In 1994, nine shows were broadcast on a regional London channel” - which channel? Are broadcast dates available?
• “Two additional variations were added” - what other variations were added?
• “Later that year, another five instalments were broadcast in a very similar style to the first nine” - was this by the same broadcaster as the first nine?
• “In 1995, fourteen more episodes were broadcast” - on what channel?
• “In 1999, the BBC tried televising the show. Twenty episodes were recorded over a single week in Birmingham.” - Were these broadcast? By which BBC channel?

• Other formats

• “Just a Minim” - wikilink Minim with Half note

• External links

• Link to Just a Minute transcripts would appear to violate WP:COPYRIGHT and should be removed.

Accordingly, I am placing the article on hold for a period of seven days to enable the editors to address the issues raised above. I will revisit the article then and pass/fail as appropriate. Feel free to ping me at my talk page if you need clarification or you feel you've made the necessary changes and want me to revisit. Good luck! - Joe King 18:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Since one week has passed and next to nothing has since been done with this article, I am failing it. - Joe King 17:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)