Talk:Just-world phenomenon

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The examples given seem to have a strong 'male vs female' kind of emphasis. Is this just the nature of the examples chosen, or does the just-world phenomenon apply primarily to this kind of situation? Either way, I think it would be nice to be more explicit in the article. -- S

This article was at the very least inspired by the mention of the JWP in the Rape article, where unfortunately it had been placed there by an anonymous editor pushing a POV. If you can balance out the examples, please do so, it'll improve the article. -- Antaeus Feldspar 11:49, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I believe the universe is totally just, thats why there's reincarnation, Karma, spirituality, etc.. --Jondel 05:37, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Victim Blame: A Bibliography

Victim Blame: A Bibliography -- I found this link iffy enough as an external link to Rape, since it's less a "bibliography" and more a collection of quotes and links for those who hold a particular POV. I have even more misgivings about making it an external link here at Just-world phenomenon, since it cites the JWP but provides absolutely no information that the article doesn't about the JWP. Does anyone disagree and think there's a reason it should be kept? -- Antaeus Feldspar 11:49, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Karma as a cognitive bias

20040302: "Karma is not about Just-world cognitive bias." JoshuaZ: "It is a related notion and as colloquially used is very similar"

I am sure JZ must be aware that the notion of karma as cognitive bias is impressively provocative. I agree that the (somewhat reductive) colloquial use of 'Karma' bears some relevance to Just-world, but the Karma article is more focussed on the religious doctrine of the Dharma religions, against which the assertion karma is a cognitive bias is a statement of doctrine which indicates Belief bias. I can recognise the potential for a Karma (colloquial) article, which could provide an intermediate link between this and the Karma article. However, the current link shows a strong cultural bias away from the primary sources of Karma - where it (karma) represents the metaphysical assertion of psycho-physical causality: that we are subject to the consequences of our actions, and not that we get what we deserve.

If we are to bring religion into articles on cognitive bias (which IMO is treading on dangerous ground) then there are plenty of links missing for this (and many other) articles within the cognitive bias category and I substantially object to the singling out of one religious doctrine as an example of cognitive bias. It could be argued that early civilisation developed religion as a means of social control - and the use of the just-world hypothesis was developed by most societies as a successful means of improving social cohesion, which in itself provided us with the stability that allowed for the development of modern constructs such as cognitive science. (20040302 09:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC))

I think it would make more sense to add a section into the Karma article about the colloquial meaning. I may do this when I have time. JoshuaZ 16:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, fair enough - but until you do that, it is a mistake to link to Karma from this article. (20040302 09:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Citations!

I look at the article, and every second sentence wants a citation. Where is this information coming from? Remember, Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information... 60.224.228.166 16:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Style of Writing

"In this way, if something good (like winning the lottery) or bad (like getting hit by a car immediately after winning the lottery) occurs, people attribute the occurrence to the person, not to a chance turn of events." This line seems to strike me as somewhat satirical, if anything. It's enjoyable to read, don't get me wrong, but is it really Wiki-worthy?

[edit] Odd grammer

One study gave women what appeared to be painful electric shocks while working on a difficult memory problem. Those who observed the experiment appeared to blame the victim for her fate, praised the experiment, and rated her as being less physically attractive than did those who had seen her but not the experiment.

[edit] Redirecting

Unless someone objects within the next few days I'm redirecting this to Victim blaming since it is better covered there. MartinDK 11:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)