Image talk:JustinGuarini concert screencap3.jpg
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This image was nominated for deletion on 2007 July 24. The result of the discussion was keep. |
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A dispute regarding the source or copyright status of this image was resolved on 2007-06-16. Please see the copy of the discussion below before considering re-adding the image to Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. |
- Image:JustinGuarini concert screencap3.jpg and Image:JustinGuarini concert screencap3(resize1).JPG - no evidence that any image from the cited site is in public domain. Plus, copyright for concert footage belongs to the promoters/venue. --Ytny (talk) 00:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- RESPONSE: No reason the image should be disputed. Read the image description.
- It's an original image made by me. I'm the original source. I created "public domain" by creating the image and putting it on Wikipedia. Explained when I posted the image.
- I made a cap from a friend's fan-made video (which is posted on the cited fan site, not the image). There is no copyright issue. The footage doesn't belong to promoters/venue. Once again, already explained in the Image description.
- I made the image to avoid image disputes. Please don't waste our time. Bkstone 15:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Questions There's no need to be hostile about it. You hadn't explained that it was a friend's video, just that it's an image capture from a video posted to a website. That said, you have to clarify a few issues.
- If it's a friend's video, then the creator of the image is actually your friend, since your friend shot the video which serves as the source from which you created a derivative image. Your friend will have to give permission to use images taken from the video. Can you get permission from your friend to release the video to the public domain or license it as {{GFDL}}? (Also, a link to the original video would be helpful)
- But it gets a little complicated because the video was posted to a website. Some sites assume the copyright of user submissions. Some sites don't. Could you point to the site's copyright policies?
- What further complicates matters is that some venues and promoters prohibit video recordings of concerts, and own the rights to any recordings from their concerts. Where/when was the concert and what were the recording/reproduction policies? Ytny (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Questions: What is your authority? Do you have a Wiki supervisor? How do I directly contact your (or a) Wiki supervisor? Also, please provide location(s) of Wiki guidelines that specifically address/support your alledged requirements and assertions. Thanks. Bkstone 18:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- ETA: Haven't heard back from you w/ the information I requested. In the meantime, I spoke to the video owner/website manager where the video is posted. Ready to document permission. However, I was hoping to avoid any more manufactured hoops for us to jump through. Bottom line: The image is tagged for not being "original". By any reasonable use of logic, the image is clearly original since I made it (which was clearly explained initially). To be frank, this dispute feels done more for your amusement rather than for any legitimate concern. That's why I'm worried you will keep manufacturing requirements and making demands that are unwarranted, no matter what we do. So, I wanted the information I requested. If I'm wrong about your motivations, accept my apology. However, I still want the info I requested. Thanks. Bkstone 18:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
- I have no authority and I have no supervisor. I just happen to be relatively knowledgeable about copyright. If you don't believe me, you could leave a message at Wikipedia talk:Copyrights/Can I use... or talk to a copyright attorney, I guess, but this is all basic copyright stuff. I think you're confused because you "created" the image file, but the image itself isn't your creation. For the purposes of copyright, you didn't "create", but extracted an image from someone else's work and created a derivative image. But really, it would be to your benefit to to give more information on the image, so I can help you determine its copyright status. Who took the video? Where was the video taken? Where was it posted (i.e. is there a link to the original video) Ytny (talk) 18:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
- Questions There's no need to be hostile about it. You hadn't explained that it was a friend's video, just that it's an image capture from a video posted to a website. That said, you have to clarify a few issues.
- RESPONSE: No reason the image should be disputed. Read the image description.
Response: I was previously told that making a screencap from a free source was the safe route, and the current image accepted when posted to replace last disputed image. The line keeps being moved. Thus, the frustration. See updated Image page. The video maker posted permission/explanation. She took a few free minutes away from her family vacation this morning to do so. I do not wish to bother her again. Plenty of information/links are provided. It's one screencap from a friend's vid. Look at other AI pages, there would seem to be far more legitimate image concerns than this one. Bkstone 15:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Updated response: Again, see updated Image page. Please, remove the dispute tag. I don't want the imaged removed due to inaction after the wanted permission/information was provided. Thanks. Bkstone 17:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Reminder: Again, see updated Image page. Please remove the dispute tag. Thanks. Bkstone 11:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
