User talk:Jurohi

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[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] Criticism of Microsoft

Hi, Jurohi. LOL - I'm not payed by Microsoft and I am looking at the Bill Gates article objectively. I just happen to think the previous edit is more "down-the-middle", if you will. But it's certainly only my opinion. If you still feel strongly about the word change, by all means edit it again and see if it sticks. Happy editing. PJM 15:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Slovaks

Hi, I assume it is you who has rearranged the List of Slovaks. Can you tell me whether you have left out some persons / names forms / text (because I am unable to follow the big number of changes). Thanx. Juro 03:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes it's me :).
  • No names were removed except the huge hockey players list, which I moved to a separate (new) article.
    I plan to cleanup noble families too, keepening only the relevant individuals, since this should be the list of a singles figures, rather than families and there is a dedicated article on this issue.
  • BTW Glad to hear from you. I was going to ask your opinion and suggestions regarding the list. I know it is far from clean and consistent, but it's not easy to create a meaningful divisions as you can imagine. I appreciate your work, often uneasy, when discussing with our hungarian wikimates :) You have my support. Jurohi 04:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
OK, as for the talk pages: there is no rule, some people prefer to answer on the other user's talk page, others reply on the same page. Juro 06:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Thx. But you are not notified if I continue answering on my page. Are you?
What about the rest? Jurohi 06:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Some users use to tell on the other page that they will reply on their own page. And, I have you on my watchlist now. If the question "What about the rest" refers to the nobles, then I would say that just continue, but try not to leave out any name or family in the end. BTW, the List of Slovaks was originally meant as a starting point for seeing which articles are not written yet, hence the concept. Juro 22:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for reply, although you skipped few questions. I was particulary curious to hear your opinion regarding the L_of_S subdivisions, whether it be positive or negative. I take the absence of your comment for a tacit consent :).
The second issue is a constant fight with hungarian editors, which is realy frustrating. I wander if there is any sort of general solution to this problem, otherwise it turns to be a kind of Sisyphean task. But probably there is not any, beyond what you are doing already ie constant discussion and reverting. I just wanted to express my solidarity and appreciation for your patience.
Third: From time to time I watch the overwhelming amount of your contributions, which makes me realy curious to learn something more about you. How can you afford to dedicate all that energy and time to wikipedia? And especialy what is the impulse behind your effort? It cannot be just philantrophy. Or is it just that? Please forget these questions, if you find them too personal, plus sorry in advance if this is the case. Jurohi 03:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Of course, you have my tacit consent. Although, technically, I think it is better to have a more general subdivision, because then persons belonging into several "categories" can be categorized and found more easily. So from this point of view, maybe it would be better to find something between the old and the new subdivision, but otherwise the subdivision is OK. And for the Hungarian editors (but it is not so much the Hungarian editors, rather a group of Hungarian vandals that are the problem here [unless the vandals are the editors under different names]), if you think that what you have seen recently is a problem, I can only tell you, you have seen nothing yet (all the discussions long time ago etc.). There are no rules for such things here and unfortunately these things are considered normal in the meantime here. As for me, I dedicate more to the wikipedia than I want, but in "absolute numbers" it is not that much. And wikipedia's success is based on the energy of exactly such "idiots" like me. But, if I was not here, Košice would be under Kassa, all Slovaks would be under Hungarians or Poles, and there would be no article about Slovakia besides Bratislava, Tatra and Kassa. And if you look at the current state of Slovakia-related articles, the wikipedia would need at least 5 such editors like me, because many elementary persons and places are still, basically everything, is still missing here. Juro 03:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree that people falling into multiple categories is a major problem. Eventualy it will be resolved when the article will split as the list will grow (same as for poets and writers). Other solutions are possible, however for now I am glad of readability and especialy editability being enhanced.
Regarding the 'Hungarian vandals and non' issue: Thanks a lot for illumination. Apparently more editors are highly desirable. I will try to help although my limited resources allow me to add only bits (I feel constantly guilty after spending hours in front of the box) and unfortunately I am not particulary strong in geopolitical history and related issues. However I would try to sensibilize and involve some other guys. I realy don't like the idea of Slovakia still being just Upper Hungary...
The topics discussed could probably deserve the attention of institutions. This might be the right direction where to look for the help. It is quite unfair how much must depend on generous ethusiasts like you. Anyway things are evolving quickly and being positive minded I hope they will change for better. Meenwhile I realy do wish that you will not loose your passion and patience. Until the time when you will be properly rewarded for what you are doing, at least many thanks and good luck. Jurohi 05:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have not missed the reply, I just agree with what you are saying, so I have not seen a special reason for replying. And concerning my "catching changes in the sk wiki" - I do not understand the question - how am I "catching" the changes there?? I basically add "one" link a month to the sk wiki, which is nothing; and generally I just guess and try and if the link works, I keep it. There is no special procedure. Juro 17:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for not having been clear enough. I wasn't talking about sk-wiki, rather I ment Slovakia related articles (or possibly any other topic of your preference) here on interwiki. Apparently there is some mechanism (unkown to me), which notifies you when a new article is created within the area of your interest. I am asking since I was amazed how quickly you correct articles that were just created. How do you find them? Two examples to be even clearer: morena and kukura. You can't just scan all new articles, can you? Am I missing something? Jurohi 08:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Ah... I see...The answer is very simple: I have virtually all existing Slovaki-related articles on my watchlist and if someone apppears and changes something there I check his past edits - recently, I have done this for Tankred and for you, for example, and this is how I can check whether the user is a vandal and at the same time see and check his other contributions, if necessary. The I add the articles to my watchlist and the whole procedure continues as above...And a concathedral, as far as I know, is the main church of an archbishopric (a cathedral being the main church of a bishopric). Maybe someone should write an article about this, if it does not exist yet. Juro 05:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Hm. I thought there was some wikiadmin-hacking-magic involved. The list must be huge.  :) Thanks. Jurohi 05:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Interpreters

I tried to search through some Wikipedia articles to see, which word is used there, and I think "instrumentalist" could the one we seek. Before I did this, I also asked Avraham why he reverted my edit at the List of Slovaks, so we can also wait for his opinion (according to his Babel chart he is a native English speaker).

Jan.Kamenicek 19:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olessi IT

I have the interwiki links there so I can quickly access my accounts on the other language Wikipedias, even if I don't use them often. I do have the account Olessi on the Italian wiki (see it:Speciale:Contributions/Olessi, but I never created an actual User Page for it. Olessi 09:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oecher

Oecher has nothing to do with Slovakia or Slovaks aside from being born in Bratislava, which itself was a German-populated city at the time. It states clearly he was a German etcher who barely spent any significant time in Slovakia. It is silly to include him. Antidote

There were many disputes about who is apropriate to include where. The basic question is: What is the criteria to label a person as belonging to a certain nation? AFAIK everybody-satisfying asnwer was not found yet. Is it one's birthplace, citizenship, his native language, his parents nationality, the place where he spent most of the time, his own feeling about the issue, his blod or race (just to name few)? All this information is rarely available even for the living people and gets more and more blury and incomplete when going to the past. So unless one's name is John Smith born in England to English parents the things can become complicated. The solution adopted by most of the people is that of the overlaping sets ie. multiple label are allowed.
I admit that you might complain if the article's name List of Slovaks was to be taken strictly. However as you can see from the article's content (as well as contents of other similar articles), this should be refered to more properly as something like List of Slovaks and people related to Slovakia or of Slovak descent which would be somehow long as article's name. If you still feel strongly about being right go ahead with removing, but to be coherent you should remove many others too eg. Harry Houdini in the List of people from New York, since he was Hungarian but you should probably remove him also from the List of Hungarians since he was a Jew too (just one for all).
Anyway thanks for your other contributions to List of Slovaks. Regards. Jurohi 06:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Slovaks (recent changes)

Hi. As one of the main editors of the List of Slovaks, maybe you can express your opinion about an ongoing dispute. An IP is trying to remove many names from the list because of their ambiguous "national identity". Those changes are quite significant and it seems to me that they are inspired by a nationalistic POV. Although I have been successful in reverting them so far, it would be better if other editors of the list, who are not involved in this particular dispute, express their opinion too and if a more general consensus is reached. Tankred 10:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Alas, an edit war started again there. And it will be even worse soon. Unfortunately, I will not have much time to look after this article. Cheers. Tankred 12:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Welcome back!

I was worried when you disappeared and I am really happy that you are active again. Tankred 06:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please refrain from removing scientifically correct information from "The Naked Ape" article.

As humans fall under the kingdom Animalia, as opposed to any other kingdom, they are animals. If they are not, they are either protists, plants, or fungi. They do not fit the qualifications of those other groups, and thus fall under Animalia. Lord Patrick 01:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiSk template

Hello,

I have recently created a template which can be used on their user pages by those, who contribute to the Slovak Wikipedia as well. If you do and if you are interested, you can have a look at Template:User wikisk. Jan.Kamenicek 22:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Slovak Wikipedians' notice board

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Hi Jurohi, good to hear from you. It has been a long time and many things have happened. As to Juro, he was banned for use of sockpuppets and there is practically no way how this ban can be lifted. He had already been on probation. Bratislava is very close to become the first article about Slovakia achieving an FA status. Several people (including me) have been working hard on that article, but I would give the main kudos to a relatively new user from Bratislava, MarkBA. Please feel free to suggest further improvements either here or on the article’s talk page. Or you can edit the article yourself – if I can conjure to writing about Slovakia again:-) Anyway, please do not forget to cast your ballot on the FAC page when you are satisfied with the article. Jurohi, I know how frustrating some people here can be, but I still look forward to your full return. Tankred 23:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
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