Talk:Jungian archetypes

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[edit] life inspite of death

I hope this is in the confines of a talk page, but if it is true that our unconsious mind contains the same myths and archetypes as each other and that we are motivated to live them out by pleasure and pain we are all essentially identical brothers and sisters and the experience of one is the experience of all and vica versa. Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 12:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC) Moreover, we have the power to help direct others and therefore our own destiny. Jung equated his archetypes with instinct. Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 15:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this qualifies as an example: the Tower of Babel is a well known biblical story, I was aware that the Mexicans also had a similar myth: "And as men were thereafter multiplying they constructed a very high and strong Zacualli, which means "a very high tower" in order to protect themselves when again the second world should be destroyed. At the crucial moment their languages were changed, and as they did not understand one another, they went into different parts of the world. (Reference: Don Fernando de Alvara Ixtlilxochitl, Obras Historicas Mexico, 1891, Vol. I, p. 12.)" The Tower of Babel and the Uniqueness of Man by Dr. Robin Bernhoft M.D. (http://www.kolbecenter.org/bernhoft_iccc3.htm as at 12-04-08); but this site has others as well.

Jung's own example in his essay was of a paranoid schizophrenic who said he could see a penis in the sun, from which the wind blew; and Jung later finding out this was very similar to Mithraic myth.

In both examples it is very unlikely the stories are derived from each other, unless the missionary influenced the Mexican culture. Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 21:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, unless this is a forgery, or some other reason, the Mexicans had a 'tree of life': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izapa_Stela_5 Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 21:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Pagan myths tell how the deceased person prays as he sinks in the waters and is rescued, other Egyptian gods rise in three days ('The Pagan Christ...', Tom Harpur, Allen & Unwin, 2004). A Google search under Jungian archetypes and crisis brings forth at least a page of results.

"According to Jung, mental crisis has "a long unconscious history," and one's inability to resolve the conflict between the ego-centered world of the self and the personal and collective unconscious (manifested by archetypal symbols) evokes the crisis." The Southern Literary Journal 33.1 (2000) 111-121. "Archetypal Symbolism in Alice Walker's Possessing the Secret of Joy" by Geneva Cobb Moore Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

"The term in the psychology of Jung for the inherited deposit of the past experience of the human species, preserved in the unconscious of each of us in the form of archetypes or symbolic figures and myths. These determine the shape of our imaginings and dreams, and in periods of crisis may recur with great emotional intensity to point out our destinies." Philosophical Dictionary (http://www.answers.com/topic/collective-unconscious?cat=health as at 26-04-08) Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC) In death we loose consiousness and are in a crisis and enter the universal unconscious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk • contribs) 08:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

"The world-renowned psychiatrist, Carl G. Jung, had a near-death experience in which he saw the earth from a vantage point of a thousand miles into space. The sight of the earth from this height was the most glorious thing he had ever seen. His vivid encounter with the light, plus the intensely meaningful insights led Jung to conclude that his experience came from something real and eternal. Jung saw the earth as representing the "mother" archetype. Carl Jung, who founded analytical psychology, centered on the archetypes of the collective unconscious." (http://www.near-death.com/archetypal.html as at 27-04-08) Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 08:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The actual experience: http://www.near-death.com/jung.html as at 27-04-08. Notpayingthepsychiatrist (talk) 09:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)