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[edit] Jump SQ.

I think we should name the article Jump SQ. because thats how it's properly spelled. Jump Guru (talk) 17:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third Year Z Class: GinPachi Sensei

Isn't it a novel?

By the way, it is not one-shot.[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knuckmew (talk • contribs) 10:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I put it in the One-shot section? Sorry that was my bad we should put it by the series section. (and mention it is a j-BOOK) Jump Guru (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Up to date

We need to keep the Jump articles up to date. The only Jump article that was organized was Weekly Jump.... so I started working on this one. Now that this list is totally accurate; we should keep it this way and keep it healthy. If you ask me we should start doing the same with V Jump, BJ, MJ, ect. Jump Guru (talk) 07:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] List of issues

The list of Jump SQ issues lacks the premiere issue 12/2007. Does anyone know its title, of if it had one? 92.194.1.172 (talk) 14:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually that's exactly were i'm stuck at. This is how you can tell what the name is: It's very simple actually the biggest text on the page is the title. So I kinda know how the title looks; the only problem is that I can barely read Kanji. I use to be better at Japanese, I think I need to go to a Japanese class. (Also got a few letters mentioning that) Jump Guru (talk) 17:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I was also thinking about scanning all the covers for the series list (but only if we can keep up with it). Jump Guru (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC) P.S. anyone is welcome to edit the page! I don't want to be the only one.
This entire section is amazingly non-notable trivia, and should be deleted outright. Keeping a list of short stories is a good idea, a list of ads on the back? Not so important. Doceirias (talk) 09:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

[edit] Comic Essay

On the Japanese article Parman no Jōnetsuteki na Hibi is seperated from the others and is put under a section called "Comic Essay". Is Comic Essay going to be whole nother SQ. line of series? If so, we should do the same. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 15:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stylistic history

Jump SQ.'s logo has gone through a history of different disigns, only noticed closely. The first Jump SQ. logo was disigned with the Japanese of Jump Square (ジャンプスクエア), in the middle with it slightly going of into the "Q.", and the English text thet reads "JUMP SQUARE" was fully in line inside the "Q." The design just recently mentioned was only in the first issue. The second logo made the Japanese text (ジャンプスクエア) above the English "JUMP SQUARE", this was only in the second issue. From the third issue on the English "JUMP SQUARE" text was removed, and has a somewhat 3D font up to issue 2 of 2008. In issue 3 of 2008, the Japanese "ジャンプスクエア" has a black outline, this design is still used in the current issues.

I was thinking maybe we could make a "Stylistic history" section? What do you think? – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 21:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tameshi Yomi

I should really start work soon, but thought I ought to fix a particularly incomprehensible bit...then realized it was so incomprehensible I might be wording it entirely wrong. Is this stuff online only? Or is it little printed booklets designed for display in bookstores, like I'd assumed? New version, if that's the case: 1 Hanashi "Marugoto" Tameshi Yomi (1話「まるごと」試し読み 1 Hanashi Marugoto Tameshi Yomi?, literally, One issue "Complete" Trial reading) is a line of small booklets containing the first chapters of Jump SQ. series, or complete short stories. These booklets are commonly placed in bookstores to promote the magazine and the manga within. These sample issues also appear on-line. Doceirias (talk) 00:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Where can you find them in a bookstore? Weird, thought they were only online. Well if they are I guess we should mention the online manga and sample booklets. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Er, not if they don't exist. I'm trying to figure out what these things are; I have no idea at all. When I saw the name, I thought they were the little sample booklets you see in Japanese bookstores; then I thought they might be the s-manga sample chapters, then I thought they might be something unique to Jump Square and abandoned the idea of fixing it myself. Doceirias (talk) 01:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused too, it says "trial reading" so that would make sence that it's a booklet used for samples.... but i've never seen one at my Kinokuniya before. I though that you've seen them, but what I know for sure is that it is a series of online manga too. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I've never seen them for Jump Sq. though; I left Japan several years ago, and I don't think they ship them to American Kinokunias...mostly saw them in the manga specialty shops. I think we'd better assume it's online only. Doceirias (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
They ship Jump SQ. to American Kinokuniyas, i've just never seen a Tameshi Yomi sample book in one. if they can ship a phone book size manga magazine to the U.S., I don't see how they couldn't ship a (i'm asuming) small phamplet. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 04:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Kinokunia imports Jump SQ, rather than getting direct shipments. They don't really operate here like a real Japanese bookstore - you have to special order anything that isn't a best seller, basically. I'd guess most of their customers know what they want coming in. Doceirias (talk) 04:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I just walk into the store grab an issue, buy it, and walk out.... I don't know how your's works. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 04:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC) P.S. This is starting to get of topic.
They have Jump SQ. lying around, but I bet they won't get Tista 1 next month unless I special order it. Doceirias (talk) 04:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
At my nearest Kinokunia they have Belmonde Le VisiteuR, Suheisenno Shachi, Passacaglia [Op.7], ZombiePowder., Sket Dance, and a whole ton of cancelled, low volume counted, and obscure series. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 21:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Please note, this is not a GA review, but it may help with future review processes.

The internet inline citations used in this article are improperly formatted and this problem could hinder any future nominations or reviews. Internet citations require at the very least information on the title, publisher and last access date of any webpages used. If the source is a news article then the date of publication and the author are also important. This information is useful because it allows a reader to a) rapidly identify a source's origin b) ascertain the reliability of that source and c) find other copies of the source should the website that hosts it become unavaliable for any reason. It may also in some circumstances aid in determining the existance or status of potential copyright infringments. Finally, it looks much tidier, making the article appear more professional. There are various ways in which this information can be represented in the citation, listed at length at Wikipedia:Citing sources. The simplest way of doing this is in the following format:

<ref>{{cite web|(insert URL)|title=|publisher=|work=|date=|author=|accessdate=}}</ref>

As an example:

  • <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.discovery.org/a/3859|title=Avoiding a Thirty Years War|publisher=www.discovery.org|work=[[The Washington Post]]|date=2006-12-21|author=Richard W. Rahn|accessdate=2008-05-25}}</ref>

which looks like:

If any information is unknown then simply omit it, but title, publisher and last access dates are always required. I strongly recommend that all internet inline references in this article be formatted properly as soon as possible, and indeed this is something that the reviewer should have insisted you do before promoting your article. If you have any further questions please contact me and as mentioned above, more information on this issue can be found at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Regards--Jackyd101 (talk) 08:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GAR - June 3, 2008

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jump Square/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article has been delisted as a GA. It was inappropriately and prematurely passed while failing multiple major aspects of the GA criteria, as noted below. The article is in serious need of clean up, expert attention, and

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    Prose does not flow well and article has some grammar issues. A copyedit is greatly needed.
    B. MoS compliance:
    Article has numerous MoS violations of the basic Wikipedia Mos, including misplaced references, badly formatted references and external links, and an completely inadequate lead section. There are inappropriate external links and email addresses stuck in the middle of the prose.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    Large sections of the article are completely unsourced, including most of the "History" section, the entire "JC SQ. Comics" section, all of the prose sections in "List of serialized manga series", etc etc.
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects: [[Image:|15px]]
    B. Focused: [[Image:|15px]]
    Excessive details and lists for less notable aspects of the topic, with excessive detail on the magazine website and an unnecessary chart, and far more tables than are needed. The article jumps all over the place and is badly organized. Looks more like a fansite page than an encyclopedic article, and hard to even tell it is about a magazine.
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Editors who nominated, I believe this article was improperly delisted and you should take the issue to the reassessment page--Finalnight (talk) 01:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
It was improperly listed, not improperly delisted. An article passed when it shouldn't have can (and should) be quickly delisted. You were wrong to pass and article with so many blatant and glaring issues, which another reviewer had already pointed out. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
It was my opinion that the issues were sufficiently improved upon after the hold was placed that it passed GA criteria. But I guess I was "beyond wrong", whatever that means.--Finalnight (talk) 01:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The issues were not fixed. "Large sections of the article are completely unsourced, including most of the "History" section, the entire "JC SQ. Comics" section, all of the prose sections in "List of serialized manga series", etc etc" that is a HUGE no to a GA listing. I've also pointed out other issues in my review that you claimed were passes. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, I leave it up to the original nominators/editors to decide where they want to go from here with it.--Finalnight (talk) 01:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, this article was and is a hopeless mess. We've made some improvements, but I can't begin to imagine how you look at this thing and think it's good. The prose is largely impossible to understand, and the entire article is heavily focused on indescriminate and irrelevant detail at the expensive of the information that should be there. The sweeping changes we've made have helped get it to a place where we can begin working on it, but this isn't even a B class article. Doceirias (talk) 03:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Man you guys, at least try not to insult me... – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Magazine Name

Okay...is the magazine Jump Square and Jump SQ is its alternative name, or is Jump SQ the official name, and Jump Square the secondary name? ANN refers to it as Jump Square, ICv2 uses both, and the magazine itself has both on the cover. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you would always say it as Jump Square; I'd put Jump SQ down as a typographical choice, personally. Doceirias (talk) 00:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Alrighty :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
No it's correctly Jump SQ., Jump Square is the extra name. The company spells it as Jump SQ. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I got the sense SQ was just a typographical quirk, no more relevant than all caps. In this case, I think it is safe to go with how the title is said aloud. Doceirias (talk) 01:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I guess it's okay, exept I revolve around official names. Make sure how you type the names are how they are spelled in the magazines. That way the article stays clean from alternative titles. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm still gonna use SQ. though, I'm all about official. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Please use Jump Square. The English sources seem to show Jump Square is the official name. If you can find a reliable source that says otherwise, please post it here. Also, take it easy on the nihongo templates, there is no need to throw out the Japanese names of every last thing in the article. Manga titles that have already been licensed in English can just be listed by their English titles, and writer's names should be listed in English only. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Now what?

Alright, we had the blunt instrument come through and do a bit of slash and burn. This is a solid base for the article; a few reference checks, a few copyedits, and a reworked table and we have a solid start to the article. JumpGuru, before we start making changes to what survived, we should probably work out a game plan. Any sections you'd like to try and build back? Anything we need to expand on? Discuss it first. I'd like to see some discussion of the magazines unusually extensive web presence, personally, but we would need to source that properly. Doceirias (talk) 00:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

We should make one nice big section telling about all of the other SQ. stuff. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Let's start by finding sources. If we add something, it needs to be proven notable. For example, the postcards - I think giving away postcards is interesting, and it is worth mentioning...but we need to find a source that says so. Proving the exist is not enough; we need to prove they are notable and relevant to the article. Doceirias (talk) 01:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
No, there doesn't need to be a "nice big section telling about all the other SQ stuff." For the giveaways, that isn't really unusual is it? I know quite a few other magazines give out postcards, little calendars, other little pack ins, etc. Seems to be a pretty common promo thing. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
It's still notable, not everybody reading the article is going to know that. We can mention "that it is a common promo thing". It's boring telling about the main stuff and that's it, people are interested in the obscure stuff, it's human nature. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 03:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
It is only notable if we can prove it is notable. Find an article from a legitimate source talking about how Jump Square uses their website to promote the magazine, and how they do things like fanart contests and postcards to encourage sales, and how that makes Jump Square different from other magazines, and you can add it. Without that source, it can't be declared notable, and can't be added to the article. Doceirias (talk) 03:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)