User talk:Julieatrci

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Contents 1 AfD Nomination: M-Powered Project 2 Adoption Request 3 Hitachi entries 4 Missing Page 5 New Article 6 Deletion Review 7 Re: Adopter Gone Incommunicado!

[edit] AfD Nomination: M-Powered Project

An editor has nominated the article M-Powered Project for deletion, under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the nomination (also see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on why the topic of the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome: participate in the discussion by editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M-Powered Project. Add four tildes like this ˜˜˜˜ to sign your comments. You can also edit the article M-Powered Project during the discussion, but do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top of the article), this will not end the deletion debate. Jayden54Bot 21:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption Request

I would be happy to adopt - and help you out where I can. Just leave a message on my talk page if you need any help. Also please leave a message to confirm the adoption.

I can help out with lots of things whether procedural or technical, and normally reply to specific straight away if I am online or within 24hours if not. In terms of the technical issues - just ask away about which area you want to know more about - I won't go into much detail now as you have not asked any specific questions, except to say you want to find out more about categories start here: Wikipedia:Categorization.

In terms of procedure - you have said you are connected with the The Hitachi Foundation - so you need to read up about conflict of interest, with respect to wikipedia editting. This does not mean that you can not edit - just you have to be careful - and if you want to add controversial/disputed information it is best to discuss on the talk page of the article in question first. The major difficulty that people find when writing up articles on subjects they are closely linked to, is staying neutral - see WP:NPOV - remember try to sit back and see it from the other people's point of view. For an example of a new editor who is struggling to grasp this concept see Jaswant Singh Khalra.

With respect to Talk:Corporate_social_responsibility#CSR_Neutrality_Question - this article is already in the grip of a lot of discussion about its neutrality - and it would be good to read up a bit on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines - see here Help:Contents/Policies_and_guidelines. Also Rkitko has some good points that you may want to look into and discuss further with them - it is good that you have opened up the discussion on the talk page already.

With respect to M-Powered Project it has been nominated for deletion here Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/M-Powered_Project for being non notable - see the notability guidelines, hopefully more users will come along soon and give their opinions on this subject - and you should also put your point of view why you think the article is notable there.

Note I have given a lot of links for further reading above - if you ask a specific question then I generally will give a specific answer, as well as links to further reading. Cheers Lethaniol 14:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hitachi entries

I appreciate your help with the entries I've created. My aim is truly not to violate the terms of usage here on Wikipedia. I have read the articles you referred me to (the Welcome Page, etc.), but it is hard to determine what that means in my particular case. Maybe we could work together in understanding what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in Wikipedia. Perhaps using findings from the State of Corporate Citizenship Report by The Hitachi Foundation would be useful in the Corporate Social Responsiblity post? Is there no way an organization can contribute to Wikipedia on issues that it deems relevant? If I find other sources to back up the M-Powered Project entry, would it make it more balanced? If Stephen Colbert can have a Wikipedia entry on a word that he made up, can't there be an entry on an actual project that a company has put into place :) ? I'm trying to think of this as an encyclopedia, and I can honestly see an entry on the M-Powered Project. I'll repeat my question. Is there no way an organization can contribute to Wikipedia on issues that it deems relevant? Thanks for your help. -Julieatrci 14:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, Julieatrci! I'm finally getting around to responding to your message (been very busy with only a few edits here and there). Lethaniol gave you some very good links above, so I won't say anything to repeat, but I would encourage you to register your opinion on the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/M-Powered_Project page on why you think it should remain as an article. And please, do not consider my edits as an effort to censure you or remove all of your hard work! It's not a malicious act; I'm just trying to clean up things a bit :-) Believe me when I say it took me a while to fully understand all of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. As for the M-Powered Project, check out Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Has the project been the subject of non-trivial publications? The other reason I nominated it for deletion was that I noticed almost the exact same text on the Hitachi Foundation article. The M-Powered Project article should probably just be a redirect to The Hitachi Foundation, which, by the way, should probably be moved to Hitachi Foundation per WP:NCD, unless the "The" in the name is part of the official title (see MacArthur Foundation for an example of no "The" and The Evergreen State College for an example where "The" is necessary).

On the issue of the State of Corporate Citizenship Report, I can't really comment. I know very little about the subject and only monitor the Corporate social responsibility article for linkspam added. Not many people actually contribute to the article. It's in need of an expert, as are many of the CSR-like articles. It's very prone to POV pushing, which makes it difficult to edit. Sometimes I'll come across articles along the subject line of CSR that might need to be entirely rewritten because they can't be salvaged. But that's another issue. I hope you actually might be able to help us in that respect! Well anyway, I hope all of this helps. As you can tell from my contributions summary, I try to stick to botany, but I sometimes get myself into other fields. I'll help where I can and if you have any questions, I'll try to answer them! Cheers, --Rkitko 08:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Page

Hi there,

The page you created The Hitachi Foundation has been deleted by User:W.marsh who should have informed you as such - see the log here [1]. The reason being that they found that the page you created was a copyright violation of [2].

Note what happens is that if an article is deleted it basically disappears from Wikipedia - and is only accessible by Administrators - hence it will not show up on your watchlist - and the entire history is lost! I think this issue is being looked into so it will show up on watchlist. If you disagree with the decision then best to ask the Admin involved, and if needed you can ask for a copy of the deleted page to work on, so that it is not a copyright violation. If you wish to take the issue further then best to go to deletion review - see WP:DRV.

I strongly suggest not remaking the page unless it is going to be written from scratch (i.e. no copyright violation) - I suggest instead contacting the Admin concerned - which I have done for you to try and get things sorted out. Please see User talk:W.marsh.

Cheers Lethaniol 22:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

In reply to making again from scratch - you have asked the Admin in question and his problem seems to be with the copy vio, not notability - though I have asked for clarification on their talk page - so yes you can remake the article. If you ask nicely the Admin may give you copy of the deleted article, though if it is an almost complete copy vio better to start from scratch IMHO, less likely to get into trouble.

If you wish make the article in a subpage e.g.User:Julieatrci/The Hitachi Foundation, then give me a shout I will check okay, and then you can cut and paste into mainspace Cheers Lethaniol 22:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Also see W.marsh's reply here User_talk:W.marsh#The_Hitachi_Foundation_x2 - there may still be notability issues, so make sure you check Wikipedia:Notability. I also have a check and see it is likely to be notable enough for Wikipedia. Also check Wikipedia:Notability (organizations) and Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations). Cheers Lethaniol 22:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Article

HI there,

In reply, the best thing to do is to post a copy of your article on a subpage of your userpage e.g. User:Julieatrci/The Hitachi Foundation. Once done we can open a deletion review, see WP:DRV and see if we can get the article set up. Once you have the info on the sun page, tell me. I will check it is up to scratch, will ask you to make any changes that are needed, and then we will stand a fair chance at a Deletion Review. Cheers Lethaniol 17:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Review

I am just about ready to post the new Hitachi Foundation article to my user page, but I had just a couple more questions (there's a whole lot of information to sift through on this site). When the article goes up for deletion review, how does that process work? I looked at some examples, and it seemed like an open discussion where people vote for whether the article should be deleted or restored. But who makes the final decision? Is it based solely on the number of votes it receives? I'm a little confused as to how the rest of the process works. I will continue digging through the help section until I hear from you. Thanks so much. Julieatrci 19:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I may have found the answer to my question, but just to be sure (for me, simple is best!!), am I correct when I read that an administrator will determine whether or not a concensus exists one way or the other? Can anyone vote on this and give their opinions? Julieatrci 19:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

One more thing! (the more I read, the more questions I have). What is the difference between "relisting" and "overturning" an action. Which one would be trying to do? Thanks Julieatrci 19:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Answers about WP:DRV.

Yes you have the right answer - an Admin (normally one who is experienced in DRV and WP:AFD) will close the case. But please note DRV and AFD are not votes, but are based on consensus, so if a number of very valid points are raised, then these may tip the balance even if there is a stalemate in terms of numbers. I am not sure of the process that is required if you disagree with an Admin's action here - I have some ideas, so if at any point you wish to take it further ask me first.

Relisting = a new WP:AFD, overturning = the article is reinstated straight away. Generally a relisting will occur when part of the AFD process was deficient (i.e. a procedural problem), overturning occurs normally when there is consensus that the article is now wikipedia worthy - (i.e. notable).

One of the things you could do to make this easier for yourself, is to consult one or more of the person's that discussed in the previous WP:AFD - and see if they what they think of the new article beforehand. Cheers Lethaniol 21:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Adopter Gone Incommunicado!

(also posted to Wikipedia talk:Adopt-a-User)

Well, it seems that Lethaniol has indeed been away for a week or so. If you'd like, you can direct any questions you have to me until he returns. Of course, you are free to request another adopter if you'd like to do that, as well. --Sopoforic 17:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

It's good to hear back from you. I've looked over your draft, and it does need a little work, but it doesn't seem too bad. The most important thing is that you've written it in your own words, not copied it from any other source. Before I list the things I think you need to change, there's one other thing I want to note.

Looking at the deletion log, I find that on 01:11, 28 January 2007, User:W.marsh deleted "The Hitachi Foundation" with a note "copy and paste of http://www.hitachifoundation.org/grants/action/twin_cities.html". This appears to be a speedy deletion, so you won't need to take it to deletion review. Deletion review would only be useful if the original article had not, in fact, been a copy of material from other sources. Since you've written the new version without copying other sources, you may post it without needing a deletion review. Note that if "The Hitachi Foundation" had been deleted through AfD, you might have needed to use DRV--that's not my area of expertise--but it's not necessary for speedily deleted articles.

That said, there are several things you'll want to change on your draft before you make it live. First, you do not want to have a section header for your first section. You can see WP:LEDE for more information on how to write the lede. Next, you shouldn't footnote the section headers--it makes them awful and ugly, and the footnotes are meant to support facts, not titles. So, place the superscripts for footnotes beside the facts they support. Also, regarding the footnotes, you seem to be doing them by hand. You should really be using the wikipedia footnote system to do that--see WP:FOOT for information on how to use it. It's not absolutely necessary; someone will eventually change them to use the proper system, but it'd be nicer if you had them using the footnote system. Finally (for now), you don't have any wikilinks to other articles. You should link, for instance, the first occurrence of "Hitachi, Ltd.", as well as any other corporations mentioned that have articles. You should probably also link nonprofit organization, or something like that. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links) and the pages it links to for some guidance on this.

Once you have moved this into the article space, you'll want to make links to it from appropriate articles. There is already a link from Hitachi, Ltd. to The Hitachi Foundation, but if there are other articles that should have links, you should add them, too. Also, you will need to categorize the article into some appropriate categories--there's detailed information about categorization at Wikipedia:Categorization, but just placing it into a few categories like Category:Non-profit organizations will help; more categories can always be added later, after all.

I think I've given you a lot to read through, so I hope you don't feel overwhelmed. It's not necessary to read every word of all the pages I linked, but they should contain any information you need about the topics I've mentioned. Of course, you should feel free to ask me any questions you may have; I'll be happy to answer them. If you feel like you need some assistance with fixing up the article, and you'd like for me to make some changes to it to help you out, and to show what you need to do, then just leave me a note, and I'll be happy to do that as well. Until then, happy editing! --Sopoforic 22:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm very sorry for the delay in my response; I didn't note a 'new messages' indicator when I checked--I must have been logged out on the computer I was using. If you'll look at the draft, you'll see that I added the references section: check the code to see what I did; it's very simple. I'll make a point of checking carefully for new messages over the next few days, so if you have any questions I'll be sure to see them. --Sopoforic 06:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)