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[edit] Damage

Should mention something about the damage to her vocal chords (there's a technical term I can never remember).

yes, from a throat surgery in 1998. She later sued the hospital and won. it's on her IMDB page. [1]

[edit] Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:03, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that it is safe to say that Julie Andrews is not a Gay Icon. If anyone disagrees, revert me. --Brendan Hide 21:04, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


I tend to think Julie Andrews IS a gay icon. Because of Victor/Victoria, for one thing. Also The Sound of Music is a favorite among gay men. It is also a favorite, perhaps even more, among gay women. Julie Andrews is featured in the book "A Problem Like Maria- Gender & Sexuality in the American Musical" by Stacy Wolf, which examines her appeal to lesbian spectators. An entire chapter is devoted to The Sound of Music, and its importance among lesbian spectators.

The article glosses over the reality of her vocal condition. The regretful fact is she had surgery to remove some sort of lesion or lesions on her chords (whether it was nodules or polyps I don't know), and the surgery went terribly wrong. Julie Andrews herself said on Larry King Live that part of her chords are "not there".

Julie Andrews is accepted as a gay icon. Maybe not as widely as some famous people, but certainly a good amount of people do see her as one. Not only because of Victor/Victoria, but her Boradway performances as well. With homosexuals and their interest with Broadway, I would think she should be listed as a gay icon. Also, there was a time when people speculated that she was a lesbian; all the more reason for her to be added.

And it was nodules she had removed in surgery. She said they weren't cancerous but were bothering her immensely. She also supected that they had been developed some time during her first Broadway perfmormance (The Boyfriend).

Julie has a very strong following among gay men and women. Indeed, she is discussed as such in the book "A Problem Like Maria" by Stacy Wolf (with a chapter devoted to each of Julie, Streisand, Merman, Garland, and Mary Martin). See also http://www.genders.org/g33/g33_jagose.html - an interview with academic Brett Farmer about his book Spectacular Passions: Cinema, Fantasy, Gay Male Spectatorships.

I'm interested in the assertion that Sound of Music is a favorite among gay women; I am a gay woman who loves the movie, but I'm not clear what makes it a specifically lesbian favorite. I'd be interested to see this topic expanded upon. 68.42.17.202 (talk) 04:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ray Charles and the Giant Sandwich

Is there a citation for this? I've done a search, and nothing... RadioKirk 05:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quote re Jack Warner

With respect to PrinceCharming and others who have included this piece of trivia, the 40th Anniversary Mary Poppins DVD finally lets us get this one right: It was not at the Academy Awards but, rather, the Golden Globe awards (Hepburn was not nominated for the Oscar) that Julie "thanked" Jack Warner to thunderous applause and laughter, during which Warner himself laughed so hard he had to wipe away tears. I'll be making the edit in a moment... RadioKirk 17:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Whoopi Goldberg?

There's a reference under trivia to Whoopi Goldberg, presumably used to describe coffee served black. However, that article doesn't contain any such comment, or a Trivia section at all. Should one or ther other be fixed?

[edit] Link

That blog is highly inappropriate, seems to me to contain little but paranoic ranting about Disney. I've sprotected the article for the moment. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 04:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

--- A reply from Mikko Jack: I'm not the author of any blog, but when I tried to add the link to my site (link removed—DO NOT RESTORE) to your English Julie Andrews article, I was banned for "vandalism".

Of course, my site is my subjective truth, but if the only counterargument is that my link is deleted and I'm excommunicated, I'm not really convinced.

Please, don't call people, whose writings you want to censor, "vandals". That's just too arrogant, but stay ignorant if you wanted.

Mikko Jack

Your "subjective truth" site is utterly inappropriate for an encyclopedia for two main reasons: One, there is no evidence whatsoever to back up what, by all appearances, is a specious claim; Two, much of the content has nothing whatsoever to do with Andrews, and what does seems specifically designed to avoid a presentation of evidence in favor of presenting a "hit piece".
Why is it vandalism? Because the person or persons who attempted to place this and a second link on her page at Wikipedia continued to do so, over and over again, after they were warned to stop, only to add one feeble attempt to explain why.
If it should ever be your intention to add data to Wikipedia and have it remain as encyclopedically relevant, you would do well to read WP:VAND, WP:NOT, WP:NPOV, WP:POINT, WP:NOR and WP:CITE. RadioKirk talk to me 18:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
What he said. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 21:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

"One, there is no evidence whatsoever to back up what, by all appearances": well, you have right to have your opinion. Now, please, would you let my link be the part of this "talk" at least, and let people choose what they believe - Mikko Jack

You may push your story to the news media or advertise it anywhere you wish—except an encyclopedia. You haven't followed any of the links I've given, have you? Read WP:NOT first. Meantime, if you put that link up again, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. RadioKirk talk to me 22:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

"Wikipedia" will have a great future in the countries like red China, farewell and stay ignorant! - Mikko Jack

"If that's your case, you didn't have a case." —JFK (1991) – RadioKirk talk to me 22:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I understand that you are not allowed to promote your personals sites in Wikipedia. However, there's a link to a fan site called JulieAndrews.org that should be removed as well then, or I feel like a victim whose tongue has been cut in order to keep him silent. My site is a kind of platonic dialogue between my life and the shadows called movies. I don't have any better proofs right now, but I would be ready to spend thousands of dollars in order to get DNA-proofs etc.-Mikko Jack

The presentation and tone between the sites could not be more different; speaking only for myself, I decided against deleting julieandrews.org because it is strictly about Andrews (if a touch reverent), largely biographical and contains no obvious commercial links (even "shopping sites" has no affiliate links). I am open to the thoughts of other users, however, since I've also worked on pages where "no fan sites at all" is the consensus.
Regarding DNA evidence and the like, you need to be made aware that your site would still not be linked as it is, even under "Further reading" (both the presentation and the evidentiary value would require a complete overhaul); presuming you prove your assertions, Andrews' encyclopedia article would almost assuredly link to an established news agency's story thereon. The issue is one of data, not of personality; rest assured, this is not against you. RadioKirk talk to me 16:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, "verifiable" opinions don't change the facts: without wanting anything from anybody and merely feeling pity, I try to create the site that would be worthy to be read without wasting my time while trying to promote it - Mikko Jack

Okay. Since, however, you now know why "facts" have to be "verifiable facts" for an encyclopedia, I'll offer the benefit of doubt for the remainder of this sentence and wish you the best in your effort to get verification. :) RadioKirk talk to me 19:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Just an ending anecdote: I see the fabulous life&career of Julie Andrews as a kind of parody of Jean-Jacques Rousseau's life&works. Rousseau was one of the original Encyclopaedists and seriously paranoid - Mikko Jack

[edit] Voice

DIDN'T JULIE LOSE HER VOICE OR MOST OF HER RANGE WHY ISN'T THAT LISTED IN THE ARTICLE MRGQ

One, did you look in "Recent activities"? Two, is shouting necessary? ;) RadioKirk talk to me 01:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Anyone who thinks the whistle register is shouting is someone who really doesn't appreciate the true artistry of the human voice and the uniqueness of such use in complimenting one's musical style. I have never heard a song in which Ms. Andrew uses this gift, but if she held such sentiment then she would never have used it in the first place... June 13, 2006.

Nono, RadioKirk was just pointing out that TYPING ALL IN CAPS is considered the equivalent of shouting on the internet, and is quite bad manners. :) 203.45.24.34 09:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
203.45.24.34 is correct; apologies if I wasn't more clear. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 13:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julie Andtews rox

Julie Andrews is an actess of the 60's. She is one of the most well know actesses for her outstanding preformances in Mary Poppins, The Sound of Music, Hawaii, Darling Lili, and many more. Though she no-longer has the wonderful singing voice that she used to have, she now writes books and does more acting instead of singing. She is a huge part of our musical and entertainment background! Without her we would b lost!! &heart; Kaylin

[edit] whistle register

when does she hit a whistle note

[edit] Reverted edits by banned user

Reverted edits by banned user Amorrow with 71 IP addresses. FloNight talk 05:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Institute of Laryngology and Voice Restoration

http://www.mgh.harvard.edu/voicecenter/research/

Julie Andrews serves as the Honorary Chair of the Institute of Laryngology and Voice Restoration. The Center is a division of Thoracic Surgery, affiliated with Harvard Medical School and the Massachusetts General Hospital. The link above provides some information, as well as a photo from a press conference led by Julie Andrews.

[edit] Personal life

There is a slight mention of her other famous half, Blake Edwards, and no mention of her children. Also on her IMDb page [2]

IMDb is fan-written and not carefully checked for errors; it's not a reliable source. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
And Wikipedia is? I have deleted and revised several entries to this article today, which were POV, non fact checked and contained bad info. Physician, heal thyself. Jeffpw 16:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last part of article

It seems to me that the last part of the article is not up to standard. Source of the quote is not cited. And what is she talking about here?: "I'm not quite sure what I was supposed to learn from all of that. It did bother me. I can't say that I wasn't devastated. Singing, with an orchestra, being able to sing, was what I'd known my entire life. Whatever happened, I think I found so much to keep me feeling that I'm contributing still." Is this about losing her ability to sing? About losing Eliza Doolittle to Audrey Hepburn? The decline of her film career in the 1970's? Needs some reference as to what she's talking about.

[edit] Sources

This otherwise very good article has had several major revisions in the past few days (as of 21:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)) that are in flowery but POV language. None of these revisions have a source. Sourcing the statements (using <ref> or the like) is now much required. If people with an interest in Ms Andrews would like to do so, they'd be most welcome.

Please be aware of WP:BLP - our policy on biographies of living people. All statements must be sourced. A single negative (ie libelous) statement can cause the article to be deleted, stubbed or otherwise have action taken against it. We don't want that, so get searching for sources, folks!

Thanks! 〈REDVEЯS〉 21:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Visa Entries Into US In 1950s

As a small gesture towards sourcing, I used my membership at http://www.ancestry.com, a subscription service for genealogists, to see what I might find in official records about Ms Andrews. I searched Julia E Wells and Julie E Andrews. I didn't find a family tree, birth record or census record. But I found several flight manifests showing what are very likely her arrivals into New York City by plane from London in the 1950s. The passenger manifests show her name as Julie E Andrews but don't show an age, so sourcing isn't definite, but given her biography the arrivals are logically hers. The COD arrival in August 1954 adds to my suspicions that these are her arrivals.

Here are the records I found:

BOAC flight BA 523/398 departed London 23 Aug 1954, arrived New York 24 Aug 1954. She arrived COD (cash on delivery), meaning that her ticket was to be paid at the New York end. This arrival is likely connected to the opening of The Boy Friend on 30 Sep 1954.

Pan Am flight 101/28 departed London 28 Oct 1955, arrived New York 29 Oct 1955. This arrival is likely connected to her work on High Tor, which debuted on television on 10 Mar 1956.

BOAC flight BA 509/719 departed London 1 Jan 1956, arrived New York 2 Jan 1956. This arrival is likely connected to her work on My Fair Lady, which opened first in New Haven, then 15 Feb 1956 in Philadelphia, then 15 Mar 1956 in NYC.

I wasn't sure if this was too much detail for a Wiki bio article, but maybe someone will include it in a box or source note. People on the same flights might be significant, but I have no way of knowing. If someone wishes me to look for particular names of persons who might have accompanied her, please let me know.

BTW: I recently made some changes to the text regarding Julie Andrews' early childhood. The text I edited suggested that the bombing of London was taking place when she was two years old. The bombing actually took place in 1940, so I made some logical changes. I was also concerned that reference was being made to Vaudeville in London in the late 1930s and 1940s. While "Mrs Henderson Presents" suggests Mrs Henderson was interested in bringing Vaudeville to London, and she ran a rather lusty show during the raids, I'm not sure London had Vaudeville. Wiki suggests Vaudeville was in New York and was over by this time.

Pnoble805 20:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

"I wasn't sure if this was too much detail for a Wiki bio article, but maybe someone will include it in a box or source note." I removed the flight information and doubt most people would be interested and few encyclopedias would ever have such minutia. Do you have a collection of her laundry receipts to post as well? GCW50 20:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice. Can I come over your house and do your laundry as penance for my sins? I asked if it was appropriate on the Talk page, waited a couple of days, then added it to the main page when there was no response. Try to keep things positive. A biographical researcher would find the information useful, but I defer to your judgment for the time being.

Pat 00:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of External Links

I concur that there were too many external links on this page, so the recent removal of same is welcome. However, I personally would have retained the Academy of Achievement link because it contains many classic black and white photographs and information not contained on the Wiki site. The radio interview link might also have been worthy to retain because of its varied media experience. I should review the policy you cited, of course, but in my opinion a legitimate use of external links should be to augment the user's experience of the subject in ways the Wiki page doesn't attempt to impart. Unique photographs and sounds add value but may not be readily available for inclusion on the Wiki page. Pat 19:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison between Mary Poppins and Maria Von Trapp in The Sound of Music

Both films begin in the clouds and zoom in on Julie Andrews.

"Mary" and "Maria" are the same name.

Maria - Vulnerable, unsure of herself.
Mary - Practically perfect in every way.
Mary - 2 children - No problem.
Maria - 7 children - What's so fearsome about that?
Mary - Deals with autocratic father named George.
Maria - Deals with autocratic father named Georg.
Maria - Nonsense song while running around the city: Do-Re-Mi.
Mary - Nonsense song while running around a chalk painting: Supercalifrag...
Mary - When Dad gets mad, seduces him with confusion.
Maria - When Dad gets mad, seduces him with song.
Mary - Man of the house has trouble with employer (Mr. Dawes).
Maria - Man of the house has trouble with employer (Mr. Hitler).
Mary - Family escapes to the park; father gets old job back.
Maria - Family escapes to Switzerland; father pursues new career opportunities.

Eliza Doolittle - Julie Andrews snubbed by producers of My Fair Lady; Audrey Hepburn gets the part Mary - Julie Andrews wins the Oscar; Audrey Hepburn snubbed by the Academy Maria - Julie Christie wins the Oscar; Julie Andrews snubbed by the Academy, on the grounds that the parts are too similar. Go figure.

Baseball Bugs 16:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Julie Andrews.jpg

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[edit] Julie Andrews Vocal Inpalents

JULIE ANDREWS' VOCAL IMPLANTS

Hello i was wondering if you oculd fnd out if julie andrews is palling on having Vocal imnplanets to restore most of her voice


then you could add this to the article

(Steve)

What happened to the list of Julie's TV appearances that used to be on this page? For example, since there is an article (albeit a short one) on "The Julie Andrews Hour" TV show, shouldn't there be a link to it from the Julie Andrews page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.184.252 (talk) 18:11, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improving article for potential feature

I haven't been involved in this article, but I am a huge fan of Julie's. I was wondering if other editors are interested in working to get the article improved for a potential feature. I have a few suggestions for the article.

  • Rearrange the headings to "Early Broadway career", "Film career" with subheadings for "Mary Poppins" and "The Sound of Music", "Other 1960s roles", "Popularity decline", "Career revival" with subheadings for "Victor/Victoria" and "The Princess Diaries" films, "Later Broadway career", "Voice surgery", "Book author".
  • I think her filmography, discography, and awards can be moved to their own pages.
  • The biggest issue in improving the article is finding sources for every paragraph. The sections on her biggest roles and her voice surgery I think need to be expanded quite a bit as well. I have access to a lot of research information, and I am willing to scour the resources I have, but we'll have to keep the citations cleaned up per the citation templates. Adding this information may take me several weeks since her career spans back to the age of 12.
  • Add images where appropriate (posters, albums).

Any suggestions or thoughts? --Moni3 (talk) 17:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More information about her career as an author, please

I would like to know more about Julie Andrews Edwards' career as an author. The books she wrote are listed, but I would like to know the same sorts of things about her writing as are discussed about her performing: background, how she came to write, the nature of her work, its critical and popular reception, etc. --Iliumstout (talk) 16:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

"[_Mandy_] was written for her stepdaughter Jennifer, who extracted the story as a punishment for Julie's swearing; Julie had instituted a systems of "forfeits" for all the family for such misbehavior as not brushing one's teeth. ..._Mandy_ was the story of an orphan girl who longs for a family, while _Whangdoodles_ was written, Julie said, 'for the child in all of us.' The whangdoodle motto was, '_Pax, amor, et lepos in iocando_' ('Peace, love and a great sense of humor'); 'our family is rather inclined to embrace it for ourselves,' Julie said. 'My husband is the real writer in the family,' she noted, 'his work is the important stuff, but he is my best critic, and my toughest.'
"Perhaps not. _Time_ said that _Mandy_ 'proves that Julie Andrews has fondly read _The Secret Garden_ and deserves every success as a singer and film actress.' The trade journal _Publishers Weekly_ called _mandy_ 'sugar-coated and not very substantial." _The New York Times_ said of _The Last of the Really Great Whangdoodles_, 'Edwards is more committed to improving her young readers than she is in entertaining them, and her book is sunk by an overload of virtue.'" --Windeler (1970) p335-336 Sorry for any typos and all the lazy italics, I just copied it out of the book. NightMaj (talk) 01:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clarify who the word "father" means

All references to her "father" need to be changed to clearly refer either to her biological father, to Mr. Wells, or to Mr. Andrews, especially in the paragraphs about the time when she incorrectly thought that Mr. Wells was her biological father, before learning that was not the case.

For example, in the following sentences, the references to "her father" appear, in context, to refer to Mr. Wells, and not to her biological father.

"Julia Wells lived briefly with her father and her brother John Wells in Surrey. About 1940, her father sent her to live with her mother and stepfather, who (her father felt) would be better able to provide for his talented daughter's artistic training. While her mother wanted Julia to call Ted Andrews "Uncle Ted", she determined to refer to her stepfather as "Pop", while her father remained "Dad" or "Daddy" to her."

66.10.94.35 (talk) 03:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] syntax

Changed "evacuation of children of Surrey" to "evacuated Surrey of children". One evacuates a place, not people. To evacuate someone is to give them an enema. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.225.38 (talk) 20:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Philanthropic Work

I have seen many published news articles about Julie Andrews charity work. Is this an appropriate section to include? Consider Operation USA references to Julia Andrews.Wattssw (talk) 05:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)