Talk:Jude Acers

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Bill Smythe writes in the USCF Forum: by Smythe Dakota on Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:43 pm #70745 Jude Acers was given a 2399 ceiling by then-ED Edmund Edmondson. I remember, because I worked at the USCF office in Newburgh in the summer of 1972, helping to catch up on ratings. I saw the notation on Acers' rating card. Bill Smythe. Sam Sloan 09:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That's first-person anecdotal, and doesn't met the citation guidelines. Note that I think it's probably true, but it's not provably true from a reliable secondary source. Eddore 22:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
This is a problem in general with Wikipedia. Bill Smythe was employed as a rating statistician with the USCF and he would know the ultimate truth of the matter. Moreover, it was well known throughout the USCF that there was a "Jude Acers Rule" which provided that your rating could not go over 2399 by playing matches. Take a look at the tournament where the rating of Acers finally gained one point to reach 2400 [1]. Now, take a look at his opponents. All of them played only in Jude Acers tournaments. Now look at their USCF membership dates which is usually the same date as the tournament. This shows that Jude Acers signed them up for a "tournament membership" which existed at that time and was recently reinstated in one of the foolish moves by Billy G., where you could buy a tournament membership for as little as one dollar per game.
The main point here is that this "Jude Acers Rule" was very well known to tournament chess players but it was, of course, never published officially in Chess Life, so it will never meet the standards of Wikipedia. Sam Sloan 13:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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Live with it, Sam. Eddore 04:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Jude Acers lived in my apartment in 1968-1969 and I had been, and was, a close personal friend of Ed Edmondson from 1960 until his death. Does (or does not) that qualify me as a expert on this subject? That Jude lived in my pad is (if you believe that everything printed is true) is a matter of public record.

Max Burkett —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.14.239.221 (talk) 21:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

"No original research: Articles may not contain any unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas; or any new interpretation, analysis, or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas that, in the words of Wikipedia's co-founder Jimbo Wales, would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation." Eddore 02:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I am aware, as is everybody else here, of the Wikipedia Rule against "original research: Articles may not contain any unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas". However, I fail to see how that excludes personal eye-witness accounts of the events in question, especially historical events that many of us older members participated in before the younger members were born.
In this case, I met Max Burkett at the 1958 US Junior championship in Homestead, Florida, so I can verify that he was there and he can verify that I was there. Now, suppose somebody were to come along and say that neither of us were there. Are we prohibited from correcting this error, just because of some Wikipedia rule? Kindly cite the rule that states that personal eye-witness accounts of historical events are prohibited here. Sam Sloan 02:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Apparently you don't understand it. I don't see how to make it any plainer than "Articles may not contain any unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas." Obviously you don't _agree_ with this policy, but that's your problem, not ours. Eddore 03:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birthplace

The reversion by Bubba73 on March 26 was incorrect. According to Jeremy Gaige's "Catalog of U.S. Chess Personalia," Acers was born in Long Beach, CA. Eddore (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)