User talk:Jpaulm

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Contents 1 Mediation request 2 Hello 3 Wikipedia conventions 4 Article creation 5 Re: Can modify articles with oldpeerreview? 6 Re: 7070 7 Elderly... 8 Configurable modularity 9 Eton College 10 Guide to the unit record equipment articles 11 King's Scholars 12 re: Book reviews 13 Your bio article 14 SmackBot edits to flow-based programming 15 Help has arrived 16 Email 17 Response 18 Bandeirantes 19 Re: Leaky 20 Re: Eton College vandal 21 Arduus 22 Afrikaans Prepositions / Postpositions

[edit] Mediation request

Hi, I'm trying to find out more about your Mediation Request 2006-06-15 Etruscan-Albanian connection and I can't find the location of the dispute. Can you please put a link in your request? Ideogram 04:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi, now that the mediation is closed I can talk to you about other matters.

I encountered your work many years ago when I was scouring the Web for information on new programming paradigms. I am quite sympathetic to your views and must say it is quite a pleasure to be able to talk to you at last.

My views are based on a slightly different foundation; I was primarily influenced by the Actor model by Carl Hewitt. I would certainly enjoy discussing the differences with you. (You can reply on this page, I've watchlisted you.) Ideogram 05:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Adam, thanks for the kind words! I have started reading Functional programming and Actor model, and of course there are close connections between them and Flow-Based Programming. I have been told that I cannot add a page for Flow-Based Programming, but I assume that, if someone else does, I will be allowed to edit it...? Once that exists, we can start cross-connecting things. (It's getting a bit frustrating!)

I have created it. Feel free to edit. Ideogram 21:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

BTW you can remove the speedy delete tag from Flow-based programming as soon as you edit it. Ideogram 21:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Adam! - unfortunately, I can't seem to find it. Could the speedy delete tag have deleted it too speedily? Esp. as my computer clock hasn't even reached 21:20 yet! Jpaulm 01:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you go ahead and create it. I don't think anyone will complain. Ideogram 03:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

It's there now - mysterious! Thanks, Adam! Does it still have a speedy delete tag? If so, where? Jpaulm 14:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I created it. There is no speedy delete tag now. Ideogram 17:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

For completeness, I feel a Canada-bio-stub would be nice for me (esp. since my father is on Wikipedia)... Will it get deleted if I add one? Jpaulm 14:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

We should keep it focused on FBP. Bio information isn't really relevant. Ideogram 17:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you are saying that bio info is not relevant to FBP - I agree. What I was thinking was that I am named in 3 current articles - John Rodker (my father), Barbara_McKenzie-Smith (my mother), and FBP - and also have a User: entry. Would it not be cleaner to have an article (or at least stub) for Paul Morrison, so these links can all point to the same place...? Of course, we won't know if I'm notable in my own right for another few decades... :-) Jpaulm 18:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not sure you meet the Wikipedia guidelines for notability. I think it's best to play it safe and not add the stub. You are of course free to put bio information on your user page. Ideogram 18:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

OK! Makes sense! I guess I can make my user page the common point - just don't create an article... I have started to expand the FBP article - hopefully others will get into the act. We can now start the discussion you originally talked about! Jpaulm 18:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Adam, I notice you've reverted the link to User:Jpaulm in Flow-Based Programming, but I did this in a number of articles, based on your comment above (and the fact that you didn't appear to object when I made the suggestion). If I can't add an article, and I can't link to User:Jpaulm, what do you recommend?! Is there some neat feature that I don't know about? Thanks in advance! Jpaulm 20:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

For now I would just accept that you can't link to your bio information in the articles. Ideogram 20:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh well! I've reverted the other ones.Jpaulm 21:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

(outdenting) You can read an interesting conversation about the differences between the Actor model and the process calculi here. Ideogram 18:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks interesting - I will be studying this conversation over the next little while. Jpaulm 18:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Over my head, I'm afraid! IMHO FBP is the most effective way to build efficient, maintainable applications that I know of. While I understand that it has close affinities with Actors, CSP and functional programming, to name a few, and that it is important to be able to pigeon-hole it, I have to leave discussions such as this one to the young and mentally agile. I name either processes or connections, but not both, but I also name ports - I also name components, as I don't know another way to say what code a process is executing... But yes, I do agree that it is probably not necessary to execute a component on the same process all the time, as one may be able to switch to another process when the process for a given component gets suspended (but not always). Hope this helps... Jpaulm 18:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I do think in terms of events - in FBP terms, an event is the moment when an IP is consumed by a process. And I also agree that you cannot guarantee that every event has its own moment in time - of course it will if you only have one processor, but the logic shouldn't depend on it.Jpaulm 23:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I am also interested in Ideogram - AFAIK the Aztecs didn't have an ideographic language, but the Maya did - see Maya_hieroglyphics. And of course Ideograms tie in with Visual programming language. :-) Jpaulm 18:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do feel free to edit Ideogram. It needs a lot of work. Ideogram 21:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

For your amusement - see http://www.hanzismatter.com/ Is this too frivolous for Wikipedia? Jpaulm 01:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

That is amusing. I can't think of a place for it on Wikipedia, though. Ideogram 03:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thought so! I've also made a small change to Ideogram. Maybe more to come... Jpaulm 14:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Ideogram 17:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia conventions

Adam (or anyone), I have a Wikipedia question: I would like to put a section into Flow-based programming sort of positioning it or relating it to other technologies, e.g. Functional, OO, etc. (this will also require input from people like you!). Is this appropriate? If so, what should this be called?

This is fine. I suggest it could be called "Comparison with other paradigms". --Ideogram 19:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Related question: the References section seems to be intended mostly for work the article's concepts are based on. In the case of FBP, we are starting to see the opposite: papers which are based on FBP - can these be cited in References? or under another heading? Thanks in advance. Jpaulm 16:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Under References is fine. --Ideogram 19:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Sorry to keep bothering you! Jpaulm 20:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article creation

Hi Paul,

I'm sorry but I don't feel I know enough about you or flow-based programming to be able to start an article on you. However from the sounds of his comments, I believe Ideogram may be able to help you with this matter. I really think an inventor contributing to Wikipedia information about his inventions is fantastic — we need all the help we can get. The purpose of placing the notable Wikipedian tag was just to alert readers to the fact that someone who the article focused on helped construct the article, this will hopefully make readers more comfortable with the article and more receptive to conducting peer reviews.

Cedars 15:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough! I had already suggested that to Ideogram, but got the impression that he was using a different definition of "notable". Oh well! Maybe one day... Jpaulm 23:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Can modify articles with oldpeerreview?

The {{oldpeerreview}} template only indicates that the peer review discussion associated with the article has met one of the archival reasons listed at Wikipedia:Peer review/Request removal policy and had the transclusion entry for the discussion moved from the list of current discussions to the monthly archive. There is nothing preventing you from adding additional comments to the peer review discussion page. It should be noted that the addition may not be noticed as few people track archived discussions and the article's talk page may prove a more effective location for your suggestions. You amy also wish to be bold and make appropriate improvements directly. --Allen3 ^talk 14:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 7070

See IBM 7070, which I did NOT write. It's the 10 digit word that would make it a 650 upgrade, even though a simulator is required.

btw: I'm still new to Wikipedia. Posted about this same response in my talk page -- how you would know to access a reply there? Do you have to remember to look there? Would make a "conversation" difficult. To get to your talk page, from your commnent in my talk page, I entered a search for "User Talk:...". Is there an easier way? Thanks. 69.106.254.246 18:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elderly...

Well, I can wire: 077, 552, 407, 604, 519, 101 (almost forgot that one). Programmed 650, 1401, before modern times. Had a 610 accessible (a toy, never saw it used for any real work). Have a garage full of stuff (mostly books & PC software) but a number of boxes of 1950, 60 things, no room to get cars in. So much stuff that I lost control and nothing can be found. Somewhere in there are: IBM Sales Manual pages for a nubmer of early machines, complete run of CACM into the 90s, complete run of Byte into the 90s (with 1st issue signed by editor if anyone cares). Many of the 1401 manuals available on the internet came from my collection (I loaned them for scanning).

Put me down as one of those who knows that the 407 was a parallel number-cruncher: it did add in parallel and it did crunch. 69.106.254.246 02:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Configurable modularity

Hiya, the format looks reasonable, but I'd still like to see more to prove notability of the particular term, since it's fairly obscure. Can you provide other references than just the one book, to prove that the term is genuinely "encyclopedic"? Even on a google search, it only pulls up a few dozen hits, one of which is in your own work, so it may run afoul of WP:AUTO. You'll need to provide other sources (that you're not involved with) to make the article stick. --Elonka 02:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eton College

It has indeed changed since your time. Bumfreezers no longer exist, and stickups have been limited to keepers and school officials, with a large debate about secretaries of societies. You english was fine :-)

Yanksta x 15:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

We still have two suits, which are exchanged every two weeks- one is always being worn and the other is at a tailor's to be cleaned. I haven't heard of the lice story, but it sounds quite probable. I'm not sure if it belongs in the aticle, but if you slip it into the uniform section it would seem to fit. Yanksta x 07:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

A suit is worn for two weeks, then sent to laundry and the next is worn for two weeks, and so on. I'd assume it's the same for scholars, although I don't know if the gowns have a different arrangement; I'd suspect not. Your profile is fascinating. You invented a whole type of progamming?

Yanksta x 12:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

But you've succeeded now?

Yanksta x 07:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

So do you work as a programmer or run a tech company?

Yanksta x 18:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guide to the unit record equipment articles

Did you notice that this section is a guide to Wikipedia articles, not a list of machines? (of course that can always be changed) tooold 23:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King's Scholars

Yes, I'm afraid College has changed a bit...--Peruginionio 18:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Book reviews

Hi there, thanks for the note. Book reviews definitely help establish your notability, because they establish that you are an accomplished author. In contrast, an author who published a book using a vanity press would not have any book reviews, and thus not notable. If you review WP:BIO, which is our guideline for determining if a person is notable, you will see that one of the criterion is "Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work". You can add them by making a statement in the article that your book has been reviewed by a number of sources, and then use footnote citations to add the items under your References section, just as is already done in the article.

Remember to make sure that your citations are from reliable sources - that means trusted book review entities for your field. Established journals, periodicals, or Web sites that have an editorial control process and that are regarded as authoritative in your field. Normally, blogs and wikis are not considered reliable sources. Hope this helps! --Ars Scriptor 19:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response! Does this constitute an authoritative source: http://www.melbpc.org.au/pcupdate/9502/9502article7.htm, or Ed Yourdon's "Coolbooks" http://www.yourdon.com/personal/books/gentech/index.html ? If not, I'm afraid it's a lost cause as the book is now out of print... A lot of the other commentary is now going on in blogs and wikis. Feedback would be appreciated. Jpaulm 19:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes, but you only have one review there - the second link is just quoting the first. I do believe that you have made significant achievements, but ultimately the burden falls on the article to prove notability, and there's not much of a case for it right now. Barring book reviews, you could also provide citations stating that you have made a widely-recognized, enduring contribution to your field. Again, news stories, interviews, peer-reviewed journals, etc. Can you find anything like that?

Additionally, I would strongly recommend that you allow someone else to edit your article just to avoid conflicts of interest. If you can find those citations, I would be glad to put them in the article for you. --Ars Scriptor 19:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Again thanks! I mentioned Coolbooks because Ed is recognized in his field, and I feel my book is in pretty good company there! I have listed quite a few articles referencing my work in the article on Flow-based programming - there are lots more. I thought too many could be taken as self-promotion... I asked my son what he thought, and he said that the article on FBP was so complete that he is not surprised nobody had added anything - anyway all my friends/colleagues are pretty busy :-) I have sent out a plea for help, however... Re your kind offer, how about if I collect a bunch of references in template format, and send them to you via your preferred medium. Is there some timeframe for an AfD? TIA Jpaulm 20:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your bio article

Hi, John - I took a look at the article, and did a copyedit to bring it more in line with WP formatting. I think some of the problems are happening because of the amount of work you did on the article. While I think your work with FBP is notable, any bio article where the subject contributes text about themselves is going to come under the microscope. I would second the suggestion for finding more reviews to cite, and also other books and articles where your work has been cited as a source. Though I think it's sometimes ok to add cites yourself, in this case I would suggest sticking to the guideline of posting any proposed additions on the talk page, and letting other editors decide whether to incorporate them into the article. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 21:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

After closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Paul Morrison, I'd also like to very strongly suggest that you should not edit the article about yourself, according to WP:COI. Best, Sandstein 17:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I've added an additional bunch of citations to Talk:John_Paul_Morrison, as per Kathryn NicDhàna's suggestions, and would like to get them copied to Flow-based_programming#External links (under Articles). These citations are certainly not doing much good where they are, but I understand from the above comments that I'm not allowed to edit either article! Could some kind person copy these citations to Flow-based_programming#External links, or possibly to John_Paul_Morrison if you think that is more appropriate. Thanks! Jpaulm 15:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Added references Template:Emot. Cheers! If you need any help, just talk to me. Thanks! Yuser31415 (Review me!) 20:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Christmas! Yuser31415 (Review me!) 20:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SmackBot edits to flow-based programming

Howdy! I was perusing Rich Farmbrough's talk page and saw your comment about the subject headings. Just thought I'd let you know it's OK to revert the edits made by the bot. If the bot keeps changing it back, you can always let Mr. Farmbrough know that you'd prefer it the other way. Lunch 03:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, as Lunch says, but there is more comment on my talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 09:57 15 December 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Help has arrived

What do you need assistance with? Cheers! Yuser31415 (Review me!) 18:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Email

Hi, could you activate your email? --Ideogram 12:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Better yet, send me email via Wikipedia. --Ideogram 18:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response

"I am confused - aren't you the person who just deleted quite a few people from the list of Tinnitus notables? I only removed one, as I couldn't even find him on Google, so I assumed it was a case of vandalism... Unless this IP address is being used by multiple people - in which case apologies! Jpaulm 18:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)"

Nope, not me. Probably my idiot brother. 69.204.197.94 14:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bandeirantes

If you take one minute to analize what I did you get the answer. There's no need to redundant explanations. Less bureaucracy please. Dantadd 15:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Leaky

You're quite welcome --Closedmouth 14:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Eton College vandal

I notice that 195.195.166.31 has done it again - however, the address is assigned to Eton, and, who knows, Will Hillgarth may be a real person, even though apparently not notable enough to show up on Google... I have reverted him. Any suggestions? Jpaulm (talk) 02:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to tell if the IP's edits are vandalism or not. It could be a different person in each edit. I'll keep the address watchlisted. School IPs usually don't work out well in the long-run. Spellcast (talk) 02:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I can totally sympathise with you about making registration mandatory. But the ability to edit without registering is a foundation issue. And about the survey, I'm pretty sure there were studies done on who mainly contributes to the project. I can't remember the source, but I'm quite certain there were studies on this. Spellcast 15:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arduus

Thanks for the comment, and glad we are of accord - reach was wrong, but rearing also sounded a bit rude! Let's see if anyone else comments regards Motmit (talk) 16:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Afrikaans Prepositions / Postpositions

I haven't been logged into WP in a long time, but found this on my discussion page from last year:

I posted this on the Afrikaans discussion page, but got no answer, so I am contacting a real Afrikaans speaker - hope you don't mind! I seem to remember being told that, while Dutch has "naar school", Afrikaans has IPA /skweltu/ - not sure how it's written... If true, is changing a preposition to a postposition an influence from one of the substratum languages? Thanks. Jpaulm 15:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The question I am afraid proved a little more complex than I originally expected. I would like to answer for you, indeed I enjoy when others show an interest in the language of my mother (though I am not sure if you are still interested in the question).

Truly Afikaans does have "skooltoe" (IPA: /skweltu/ or maybe more accurately /skɔ:l tu/) which does translate as "to school". Afrikaans also has the phrase "na die skool" which is an acceptable translation of the Dutch "naar school". Important to note is that the use of "-toe" is similar to the suffix "-ward" as used in English.. The words "huistoe" and "skooltoe" are only used in phrases to describe motion towards. "Ek gaan skooltoe" translates as "I am going to school" not "I am going to the school". The latter becomes "Ek gaan na die skool" in translation. Similarly "Ek gaan huistoe" would translate "I'm going home", or "I'm homeward bound". As to the question of the source of this specific feature, I cannot be sure. The similarity between the Afrikaans and English examples may be due to both being Germanic languages (with Dutch or German possibly having a similar construct that I am unaware of). It might also show contamination from English itself or by French, though I am unaware of any such construct in the Romance languages also.

I doubt a contribution from any other source languages of our Afrikaans pidgin. The other contributory languages do not behave similarly enough grammatically to allow much borrowing other than lexicon.

A last possibility is that of natural evolution. The phrase "Ek gaan na die skool toe" is perfectly acceptable in even current usage (notice that the "toe" in this case is a postposition and not a suffix). I assume that the "toe" is our way of coping with the loss of the case system that Afrikaans shows (as might also be the situation with English). In this case the postposition just relays (and doubles) the notion of movement towards. Contraction easily accounts for the shortening to "Ek gaan skooltoe". I was unable to find any literature in my school textbooks to ratify any of these possibilities, but hope that I have given you at least some clarification. --payxystaxna (talk) 13:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)