User talk:Joyson Noel/Archive1

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Zakir Naik

Hi,

I have removed the material you inserted in this article. If you can provide a verifiable source then please feel free to put it back in. Regards, Springnuts (talk) 21:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

January 2008

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to Zakir Naik. Thank you. ITAQALLAH 16:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Calel Perechodnik

Hi, and thanks for starting the article on Calel Perechodnik. You might like to have a look at the welcome message at the top of this talk page for some useful links regarding content and tone of articles (in particular under "Policies and guidelines" and "Getting started"). It's not considered good form to remove a tag from a page without addressing the issues mentioned in it, and wholesale reversion of a page, containing significant good-faith changes or additions, to a version you wrote is also frowned upon. (I would also urge you not to upload images using the wrong copyright tag.)

What the article needs is more inline references to the book (the English version is preferred) and to independent sources that can place Perechodnik in context. It's best to avoid writing in a prose-like tone; Wikipedia already has substantial articles that address the background issues that can be linked to instead.

BTW, thanks for taking an interest in various Islam-related articles. Wikipedia's coverage of these topics often takes a very pro-Islamic tone (try to find "dogmatism" in Criticism of Islam, for example) due to tag-team editing. The best response is to remain neutral and add reliable sources to back up your additions. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 17:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

February 2008

Please do not add defamatory content to Wikipedia, as you did to Zakir Naik. If you would like to experiment please use the sandbox. This pertains specifically to adding a list of defematory external links, in violation of our biographies of living people policy and external links guideline. Thanks ITAQALLAH 12:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Joyson Noel... the particular extracts from the above policies which I have in mind are: Wikipedia:EL#In biographies of living people, which states that defamatory links about living people should be avoided. Similar points are raised at Wikipedia:BLP#External_links, which states that only high quality links may be used, which these are not. These links are not what would be considered reliable sources on Wikipedia, so it is necessary to refrain from using them. Regards, ITAQALLAH 14:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Cp2.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Cp2.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 03:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Cats et al.

I apologize if I may have caught some appropriate edits in the reversion, but please understand that based on your history of uploading copyrighted materials and claiming them as your own, as well as the creation of categories that were formerly deleted, and eyeballing around 40-50 of these edits, I had strong reason to believe that they were all improper. By all means, if I made an error, please correct it. Also, please understand that I have no personal antipathy to you or your edits, but one of my responsibilities as a sysop is to ensure that there are no possible legal or procedural violations on wikipedia, and especially when it comes to the matter of copyright, we need to remove violations first and foremost. It is relatively easy to restore revisions, images, and pages in the case we have made an error; it is harder to mollify a copyright holder who is complaining about illegal use of his or her image.

In terms of the actual categories, "Jewish" being an ethnicity as well as a religion has had a difficult wiki history. It would likely be better to emphasize that you are referring to Jewish ethnicity if you are attempting to create a category that intersects Jews with other religions. As for the appropriateness of the categories themselves, that is up to the community. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 17:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Ashkenazi/German Jews

Dear JN - I apologise for not being sufficiently clear in my removal of the category 'Asheknazic Jews' from Felix Mendelssohn. Please note that in Wikipedia Category:German Jews is a sub-category of Category:Ashkenazi Jews. The Wikipedia convention is that, with a very few exceptions (of which this is not one), one categorises to the lowest level, and does not add to articles categories at a higher level. See Wikipedia:Categorization and subcategories. It is for consistency, and for the assistance of users of Wikipedia, that we should abide with this convention. With best regards --Smerus (talk) 10:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Your user page

Dear JN - I have just read your user page. Please consult WP:Etiquette and make sure you are satisfied that what you have written conforms with the standards there, as I believe that some people would take offence at certain of your comments. With best regards, --Smerus (talk) 10:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Personal info

Please stop adding personal information of controversial character about people without providing references from authoritative sources. This is violation of the fundamental wikipedia policy, see wikipedia:Attribution `'Míkka>t 16:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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Archives

You probably didn't know that in wikipedia the old messages in article and user talk pages where the discussion is finished are not simply deleted. They are placed into archives, for possible future references. I took a liberty to create one for you to demonstrate how it is done. Mukadderat (talk) 17:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Islam in Russia

As I understand you are new to wikipedia and you don't known that certain rules are fundamental to wikipedia. Unfrtunately the standard "welcome" page is like a big brick hit on you head with hundreds of rules to read so you don't know where to start. Please know that the most basic rules about the content (not "format") of wikipedia are summarized in wikipedia:Attribution. Please read them carefully, because misunderstanding these rules is in the core of most controversies in wikipedia.

Now, back to Islam in Russia. According to the rule wikipedia:No original research, you cannot claim "some surveys also claim" basing on the brief newspaper article about an interview with a inge expetrt. I changed it correct way. YOu can write "some surveys also claim", if you can quote some book or article written by a reputabe expert which says so.

Please notice that these rules are not invention of Wikipedia. They have been known for hundreds of years e.g., among islamic scholars, who have many ages long tradition of providing exact references who said what and when. Mukadderat (talk) 17:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Please don't ignore friendly advices. You again replaced a referenced information by unreferenced in Islam in Russia. Mukadderat (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You evidently didn't look into the refernce given in the article. It says: "The often-claimed proportion of Russian citizens belonging to the Muslim faith is overestimated, the Russian islamologist Roman Silantyev thinks." In addition, I usually skeptical to information from newspapers so I double checked using google. I would recommend you to do so as well. Best regards, Mukadderat (talk) 15:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I may agree that "islamic studies scholar" is not his first descriptor, but this is hardly important distinction. Mukadderat (talk) 15:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Maria Alexandrovna Blank

Hi. I reverted your category additions to this article. Please see my note on the article's talk page, where I gave a detailed reason for doing this. Thanks. -- Hux (talk) 02:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Please keep in mind that in wikipedia it is customary to include in articles only lowest categories from the category tree. This is very reasonable; otherwise the classification of articles would be very cluttered. For example; Category:Ukrainian Jews itself is contained in categories Category:Jews and Judaism in Ukraine Category:Jews by country Category:Ukrainian people by ethnic or national origin Category:Ashkenazi Jews

Category:Jews and Judaism in Ukraine further included in

Category:Ashkenazi Jews topics Category:Jews and Judaism by country Category:Jews and Judaism in the Soviet Union Category:Jews and Judaism in Europe Category:Religion in Ukraine Category:Ethnic groups in Ukraine

and so on. Category:Ukrainian Jews covers them all. Mukadderat (talk) 16:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)