Template talk:Journalism

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Nice template. It seems clear, NPOV, maybe a bit large on the page, but well done. I need to get into how templates like this are made. Calicocat 06:48, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! The best way to do it is to copy one: both news trade and journalism templates have edit links on them that point them to the template, in this case at Template:News-trade and Template:Journalism. The {{tag}} in the page will have the exact name minus the "Template:" prefix. -SV|t|add 07:19, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I adjusted the width a bit and think it fits better on the page, I hope you don't mind. I also added a link to Video news release, which is an article I put a lot of work into and one that seemed relevant to the template. Calicocat 00:33, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Suggestions for Inclusion

[edit] Creative Nonfiction/Literary Journalism

Please include Creative nonfiction currently Literary journalism is redictred there and while they are not really identical, it is sufficent, for now, that one or the other be included major source of award-winning journalism. Yours, Calicocat 01:11, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Interactive Journalism

This is a new field of journalism and I think it should be included in the Template. It is essentially news video games. I started an article for it. It's very rough and I plan to return to it. I'm a new contributor, not sure how to give it stub classification. Check it out: Interactive journalism. --Ill seletorre 03:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template POV Items, Issues

Issues with this template. When I first saw this it did not contain the link to a highly questionable article named "news trade," then I saw it did, or if it was there in the first place, I didn't check all the articles it linked to and then found it's path to "news trade" original research. With that link present, this template is POV and violates policy on [no original research |original research]. I strongly object to the article "news trade" and with it's inclusion on this page, I just strongly object to this template and caution any others to not make use of it, if it contains the a link to News Trade Calicocat 15:45, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with the title heading "Marketing Influences" VNRs are not just marketing, but also govt. propaganda in the US, in part, so I'd like to change that to "Outside Influences" as NPOV, an alternative might be, Public Relations/Government Influences, which is way to long, etc. I don't want to be to bold on template editing, but to feel strongly that "marketing influences" doesn't do it. Calicocat 01:11, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Format question

This template is looking great, I'm just wondering if it needs some kind of border, it seems to be kind of floating? Also, do you think it should have a little less width? You do such good work with the templates that I'm reluctant to add or change anything. Cheers, Calicocat 20:40, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Can you add our Wikiprojects?

We have two projects going, the journalism one and I started a media project to help me understand how to work on the journalism project. I was thinking that we should make the Journalism project a decendent of the Media Project.

Wikiprojects

I was trying to do it and I still don't get the syntax. I still don't grock how to use the template namespace or a basic html editor for simple wiki tables, etc...gree. anyway, what do you think about including them? Take care, Calicocat 11:26, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I'd like to archive.

Some of the past comments might be best archived since they involve expired issues we've moved well past. I'd archive up to the most recent couple of posts. Calicocat 11:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Self-references

Remember that the template, if used on article space, should avoid self-references - that is intended for readers, not primarily editors. A journalism/media template could be made to apply in relevant talk pages, that could legitimately contain reference to WikiProjects and recruiting for them. TheGrappler 21:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template format, order of items

I like the template and find it useful, however, the use of the ampersands disturbes me. I'd rather suggest that the template items be placed in a more logical alphabetical order with some uniform character seperating the items. I do think there's a kind of point of view lurking in there somewhere, the ampersands imply replationships and a point of viewabout those relationship, I'd rather aim for a better expression of neutality. Thoughts? Calicocat 08:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editorial independence

I just changed editorial independence from a redirect (Freedom of the press) to a stub. This important concept deserves better coverage and should be included in {{journalism}} once it is more than an embarrassingly short stub. Rl 08:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Would recommend adding "organizations" to the J box

It would be nice to include a section on journalism organizations -- if not just a link to a main overview of journalism organziations -- to incorporate the existence of the SPJ, Investigative Reporters & Editors, Poynter Institute, AAJA, and others to this template box.

A link maybe could go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Journalism_organizations Guroadrunner 02:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template overhaul proposal

I've created a reorganization of this template here in my user namespace, mostly to distinguish fields, like fashion and business, from genres, like investigative and watchdog journalism, but also to avoid various redirects, redundancies, and one red link. I've tried to include links to the most general, well-developed articles, because those then tend to include links to articles on various more specific topics. I've also tried to tidy up the visual aspect of the text layout a bit. I realize an organizational overhaul of an article namespace template may be a bit too bold, so please comment here on this talk page or over on the temporary talk page if you have any suggestions or ideas so that I can evaluate whether or not my version is compatible with consensus. Thanks! -Tobogganoggin talk 20:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well folks, it's been about two months and I've only received one (positive - thanks Curt Wilhelm VonSavage!) response, so I'm implementing my changes. Feel free to contact me for any further discussion. - Tobogganoggin talk 01:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redlinks in template?

  • There is a redlink to List of journalism books in the template. I don't feel like finding sources and creating an article for that list topic, and it looks uncouth to have a redlink substed onto lots of other articles. If and when that topic gets its own article, we can put it back, even if it's a stub. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 17:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Erroneous with images

Template seems to be causing formatting problems on pages with images first, see Fourth Estate and MSU Faculty of Journalism. It probably needs to get fixed (I don't know how). --ssr (talk) 23:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Now I know how. Solution was in adding {{float right}}. --ssr (talk) 17:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)