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[edit] Feedback

I've been working on the stub for Broadcast Journalism. I'd appreciate any feedback anyone has as well as any suggestions for further expansion on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmac9986 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] US bias to this article

I think a better title for this article would be "US Journalism".

[edit] Cadets

I don't know whether or not this is just used in Australia, but "cadet" is very commonly used for describing somesort of new journalist... Or something... Someone want to elaborate?

[edit] Parameters vs. values

"The main activity of journalism is the reporting of events by stating the journalistic parameters of who, what, when, where, and how and commenting on the significance of the event."

Shouldn't that be "stating the values of the journalistic parameters"? Prawn 15:57 May 11, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Education

I'd like to see education oriented information on the subject, such as prominent universities in the area, etc. Kylratix 22Jul03

I think there is an article on "journalism school."

Maurreen 19:12, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Writing, occupation

Journalism is the practice of writing about current events. Those who practice journalism are known as journalists. Journalism is often referred to as the "first draft of history."

My comments on the above: the practice of writing is too narrow - add: in the mass media, and make mass media an entry word. some people write a diary with the same pretext. journalists should have a more meaningful definition too, from DOT or similar resources. Interestingly enough journalist does not exist as an entry in DOT. See editor, or author or writer instead, such as in this:

quote from http://www.occupationalinfo.org/13/132017014.html

CODE: 132.017-014Buy the DOT:Download/Diskettes/CD-ROM TITLE(s): EDITOR, NEWSPAPER (print. & pub.) alternate titles: editor-in-chief, newspaper

Formulates editorial policy and directs operation of newspaper: Confers with editorial policy committee and heads of production, advertising, and circulation departments to develop editorial and operating procedures and negotiate decisions affecting publication. Appoints editorial heads and supervises work of their departments in accordance with newspaper policy. Writes leading or policy editorials or notifies editorial department head of position to be taken on specific public issues. Reviews financial reports and takes appropriate action with respect to costs and revenues. Represents publication at professional and community functions. In smaller establishments may perform duties of one or more subordinate editors and direct activities of advertising, circulation, or production personnel. GOE: 11.08.01 STRENGTH: S GED: R6 M3 L6 SVP: 9 DLU: 77 apogr

I wonder whether one could include similar links where the original definiton seems to be lacking depth. Apogr 09:36, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Full Of Crappola

[edit] Blogging

Renamed section from "public journalism," which has a different meaning in the industry. Maurreen 19:12, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Deleted section on blogging; it usually isn't considered journalism.
In blogging, a writer, often unaffiliated with a professional news organization, writes frequent dispatches on niche topics, posted online. There is dispute as to whether blogging in general is journalism. Many bloggers do little or no original reporting, but just compile and comment on others' work.
Maurreen 08:02, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Protection of sources

Maybe a note about the recent case in Rhode Island in which a reporter has been punished for protecting his source?--Dupes 18:27, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

There's a bunch going on in that area lately. It's worth writing about, but probably not by me. For one thing, confidentiality has disproportionate amount of coverage in Wikipedia, in my view. In the journalism category or one of its subcategories, you'll probably see what I mean. Maurreen 21:11, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New section

Whoever added "Objectivity and Journalism in the United States" did ag ood job. Maurreen 04:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Journalism as "pursuit of the truth"

It is sometimes defined more broadly as the pursuit of the truth.

By this definition, journalism would include science, philosophy, theology, and anything else where a person seeks "the truth". This sounds like a pep-talk given at a journalism school, not a real definition of journalism. If this is to be included it needs to be in context and we need to say who made this statement. AdamRetchless 17:28, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Let's not forget political activism or social crusading. Too many journalists these days view themselves as social crusaders and so the factual news takes a second seat to the 'agenda' of the particular crusading journalist.

Perhaps therefore 'journalism' should be reclassified as a form of fiction.

Sean7phil (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedian category

I've created Category:Wikipedian journalists. Maurreen 06:27, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Civic journalism

Why was civic journalism removed? Maurreen 16:24, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Witness POV

I've created Witness POV to enable the inclusion of journalist POV history analysis , and in the first instance that of Edgar Ansel Mowrer . A comparison between his writing and that to be found in the encyclopedic NPOV articles hopefully will justify the reporting of the reporter . His writing being as close to the original as teacher allows .Flamekeeper 22:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New WikiProject needs editors

Anyone interested in journalism is invited to Wikipedia:WikiProject Journalism. Maurreen 4 July 2005 14:52 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Someone has proposed Category:Journalism and a few related categories for deletion or merging. Maurreen (talk) 00:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] publication

would you like to publish this article? -- Zondor 22:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

It's already on the web, it's already published. I take it what you are really asking is if people would like to jump through hoops to be certified through a process that doesn't actually exist yet? Why don't you come back when it's real? DreamGuy 00:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
i haven't said the publication system is in place and fully operational. i am asking would you like to not otherwise. -- Zondor 03:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] the First Amendment

does anyone think that there should be some sort of link or at least a reference to the First Amendment? i think it's kind of important to the press, and although i don't know much about it, it should at least be mentioned.

No biggie; it falls under Freedom of the press, which is linked. Maurreen 03:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] local/national/international news

Is there a good link or article on the terms "local news" vs "national news" vs "international news", etc? I'm not asking about distribution, but news coverage. Thanks. Simon12 13:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Page

G'day everyone. I just started a page about Australian Journalism. It isn't anywhere near finished, but please feel free to contribute. Cheers. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 03:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Role of Journalism section

It says "In the 1920's, as modern journalism was just taking form, writer Walter Lippmann and American philosopher John Dewey debated over the role of journalism in a democracy. It is important to understand their differing philosphies." - WHY is it important to understanding their differing philosophies? I'd like to replace that line with something like "Their differing philosophies express two of the most important attitudes to the role of journalism (today? in the US? int eh world?) but I don't know enough about the subject to know whether that's true. Anyone? Lijil 13:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Journalism

What this article needs is a summary of the history of journalism, and then we need to create a separate history of journalism article. Then the Role of Journalism entry can be put into context. That entry has a little too much POV, BTW. I plan to start writing this when I have time and have done some research. Anyone who wants to start it themselves, go for it. Gladmax 12:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't remove the links

Hi, all,

I don't know who removed the links to the other Wiki journalism pages or external links, but please don't do that again. They are necessary and should be preserved.

Gladmax 12:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prophetic Impulse

Hello, I wasn't sure where to suggest a new page/topic so I picked this as the best discussion/talking page to start on. In a class I'm taking at the University of Washington, the professor introduced the concept of Prophetic Impulse as the innate motivation to record and report news, events and tell stories. When I searched for this phrase with Google, I found a few pages that referenced a character named Rickydoc but it didn't really give me any insight into how the idea of prophetic impulse and press/journalism relate. I believe there are literary materials out there that discuss this but I think wikipedia could really step in and help fill in this information gap. Thank you for taking the time to read and consider my suggestion. 167.88.201.100 01:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Internet journalists jailed

[1] Here's an interesting article that should be incorporated somehow to mention that currently 49% of Internet journalists are currently in jail. NorthernThunder 16:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks NT. After reading more thoroughly - its an interesting statistic. I'll see if it can get some kind of corroboration from any of the original sources. Any pointers will be helpful. AlanBarnet 08:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Straight writing

Hi all. This article is pretty good. I realise conjunctions can help the flow of writing BUT they can also make it argumentative:) WP recommends to avoid such writing. I think its easy enough to write it straight. AlanBarnet 04:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Blogs

i'm reverting vandalism and sorry if the blogs section was meant to be deleted--User:Rock2e Talk - Contribs 16:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need comment at deletion discussion

Please see the discussion here -- this needs more input from editors who actually work in this area. Badagnani 16:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] possibly the worst article on wikipedia

besides things mentioned above... consider that the first newspaper began in the year 1605... and yet this article mentions that journalism came to function in the 1920s...? What a joke! 24.148.118.190 09:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I suspect you didn't ready the 1605 newspaper, and that you didn't read this entire article. Ther reference to the 1920s is regardign moden journalism. There is nothing wrong here, other than the lack of a definition for modern journalism. --136.159.212.181 (talk) 12:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template overhaul proposal

I've created a reorganization of the {{Journalism}} template that appears on this article. The proposed changed template can be viewed here in my user namespace. I did so mostly to distinguish fields, like fashion and business, from genres, like investigative and watchdog journalism, but also to avoid various redirects, redundancies, and one red link. I've tried to include links to the most general, well-developed articles, because those then tend to include links to articles on various more specific topics. I've also tried to tidy up the visual aspect of the text layout a bit. I realize an organizational overhaul of an article namespace template may be a bit too bold, so I posted a notice at Template talk:Journalism, but after six weeks it doesn't appear to have been much noticed. I've duplicated the notice here in an attempt to notify more editors. Please comment here on this talk page or over on the proposed template talk page if you have any suggestions or ideas so that I can evaluate whether or not my version is agreeable. Thanks! - Tobogganoggin talk 01:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well folks, it's been a few weeks and I've only received one (positive) response on the template talk page, so I'm implementing my changes. Feel free to contact me for any further discussion.
- Tobogganoggin talk 00:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Isn't it ironic?

Isn't it ironic that the Wikipedia article on Journalism "is missing citations or needs footnotes"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.254.47 (talk) 02:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article is in dire need of an overhaul

The state of this article is pretty sad. It's a top-level article (a very important one), and yet it suffers from so many issues, many which real journalists could fix. Let's get together and fix like a broken down house, now shall we? Gary King (talk) 03:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)