User talk:Joseph E. Saad

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[edit] From my past

Hi Joseph, and welcome. I see your are adding links to Palestine and the Middle East to the top of various pages. I think it is better to have these at the bottom of the pages. I mean, it is a bit strange to go an article, e.g. Ammonites, and then right away be suggested to go a different article. What do you think? Css


Thanks, Yes I noticed that, you are right. I am trying to make the see also links, relevant, because when someone does a search, they should know to look at other topics that relate to that same subject, what do you think?

I think the bottom is ok, but some encyclopedias have "see also" lines or links at the beginning, but the end is ok too. I am easy, as long as all relevant topics are addressed.

Joseph

Wow, Thanks! That was some very kind words! I also get very frustrated because of the very many Zionists on wikipedia. But its all good because it incites one to write. BL

Hi Joseph, nice to see another Canadian on Wikipedia. Hope you will stay and make some more contributions. Alex756 09:38, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi, it looks like you haven't created an account for you yet. Create one here, or else this page might get deleted due to misunderstandings. Also see Wikipedia:Why_create_an_account? Thanks! -- Paddu 08:07, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)


Thanks Paddu, I appreciate the advice, and I extended a note of thanks on your user talk - home page. Best of luck.

Joseph (August 5th, 2004)

Hi Joseph, thank you for the sensible discussion on Talk:Nakba. I have responded there. If you still feel Nakba needs to be written independantly, we may have to take this to mediation, which is something I'm quite loathe to do because of community exposure. JFW | T@lk 11:53, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

OK, but just for form, and the historical records (archives), lets discuss Nakba, on the talk page Talk:Nakba, OK? I will post my comments there.Joseph 17:43, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] One last remark

Dear Joseph

Even with all our disagreements, I wanted to tell you that I always thought you were well meaning and nice, and I'm sad to see you go. I wish you great luck in spreading your peaceful views, where ever you chose to take them.

Gadykozma

I am fine with it, I am not gone, though, I exist, so I am here. I will look and see what happens, I urge you guys to try and remember what is the best for Wikipedia, not just peoples own viewpoints.

Look I just want the articles to be more balanced. Fair, thats all, and it is not now.

Greetings, best wishes to you, and good health,

Joseph

[edit] Replies

Hey Joe. Where are you in Canada? I'm in Toronto, and I'm also Arab (Egyptian). E-mail me at your_god_1984@hotmail.com as I'd like to talk to you in private.

No problem, I have replied. What is your name? --Joseph 04:24, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Joseph, A question if I may. If you live in Canada, what benefit do you get by registering with UNRWA? --Zero 13:03, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Hello Zero, yes I am not really sure why, but my understanding is that UNRWA is the organization that registers all Palestinian refugees. At least that was what my father brought back stamped and everything. I guess the short answer is if we do not we may be somehow excluded in any final status compensation.
We have at least three legal claims (our business, our land/homes, and our right of return) as far as I can tell. Also my father had to go and take care of some legal matters relating to land in Palestine. In fact there is a place with our family name on it. As all such places have a tie in to the name of the family, i.e.: Joseph from Nazareth, etc...
Let me just say, all Palestinians carry that burning dream, that feeling of wanting to go back home. Right of return cannot be determined by any third party. It has to be, by any logic, determined by the individual person and their circumstances. Any thing less cannot counted as the inalienable right of return. Time and chance are particular to each person, if there ever was a settlement, how could you say you can go back to one and you cannot to the other?
Zero I do not know why it happened (registering with UNRWA), but that is what happened. My father also brought back our family tree, all in Arabic, and a history of our family showing we converted to Christianity in the 4th-5th century.
I hope that helps.
Joseph 00:32, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Assalamu alaykum -- please vote

Please consider voting at:

Wikipedia:Conspiracy_theory

to rename articles that use the pejorative term "Conspiracy theory" to denigrate the content of the article.

Do the titles of WP articles generally pass partisan judgment on the subject under discussion? Should they? BrandonYusufToropov 02:36, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps when I have some more time later this summer. --Joseph 03:48, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Notice

It has been half a year since the last contribution to Nakba Talk, so I thought I would post a notice here so you wouldn't miss it if you are still following that page Please, just delete this post if it seems superflous on your user talk page -- I noticed your response to a similar post listed above. Sorry. The new material is not in the article itself -- its in the Talk section. Tx. --McDogm 14:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks replied in Talk:Nakba--Joseph 03:39, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Good to see you're back! Hope you stay around - there's a lot of editing to do, especially on anything related to Palestine... - Mustafaa 22:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Random Salutation

Shalom and Salaam, I'm a student of Judaic Studies (amongst other things) and I just read your POV on Palestinian issues and I agree absolutely entirely to say the least, even after a bit of studying on the subject of Zionism gave a pretty sound logical explanation why there has to be a Jewish State (not necessarily in Palestine ie. the "Jewish Homeland")

Before my studies of Judaic Studies, I was highly pro-Arab-Palestinian--as of now, following a paper on Zionism, I am a very skeptical Political Zionist who believes that sure, as long as nationalism exists as the status quo, it should be allowed for nations to exist and be created, especially if they have a profound reason. So in this sense, I do believe that a Jewish Homeland is a great idea. However, as I researched the creation of the State of Israel, it just bugged me as wrong. Revisionist Zionism pushed the settlers to grab for more and more land in a sort of "Jordan River Manifest Destiny" and erected a solid Iron Wall in between themselves and the Arabic Palestinians. I find this to be an atrocious act, even as a fairly conservative Reform Jew. People shouldn't bicker over something that, in a religious sense, is not ours--but our deity's! My proposal is that with commonality (such as the commonality between my views and your own) we can find that the Jewish, European background of the Zionists and the Near-Eastern, Islamic background of Arab Palestinians aren't too different at all and MAKE THE NEED FOR A PURELY JEWISH STATE OBSOLETE. Then again, I am a bit biased as I am a bit of a socialist and I do not see the reason land should be quantified in value--thus, I believe the entire nation should find commonality and make national borders pretty much obsolete.

However, the last point aside--it is great that there remains a growing population of even Orthodox and Conservative who demand equality to be made an issue in their Holy Land. Keep up the Wikiediting as I keep mine up as well!

[edit] You might want to know

Seen your name around and thought you might want to know that User:Mustafaa created Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Palestine and Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics with a list of Active Palestinian Wikipedians.--John Z 05:43, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration

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[edit] You'd be shocked at what has happened to Palestinian refugee since you said this

Back in May 2005 you wrote this: Well I have just read this article through twice, and it seems fine, I am not finding it too biased. A pleasant change, so I wanted to thank those involved, Thank You!

I think you'd be shocked at what has happened to it since .... the whole article is now dominated by claims that the number is exaggerated, that the number of Jews fleeing other ME countries is a fair swap, and they're not being allowed to settle elsewhere in the ME.

There's next to nothing on the reasons they're in refugee camps, the massacres and further displacement they've suffered since in Jordan and Lebanon, or the calamitous effect this has had on every kind of normal life. The lead of the article implies that the refugees had only been there 2 years, and the attached photograph seems calculated to stigmatise the refugees as pathetic and to blame the British for their condition..

PalestineRemembered 17:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)