Talk:Joseph Vijay

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[edit] Fancruft

Most of the stuff in the article is fancruft. Comparision with the size of fan following of other actors without any citations is grossly subjective. I don't have the time and energy at this time to fix these, but someone else can do that. Thanks. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 03:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Someone vandalised the comparison earlier today anyway, I'll delete it instead of reverting it.

I don't know what to do about the filmography. They can't all be notable, but I hesitate to blast the lot away. Maybe just keep the ones referenced in the body?

Regards, Ben Aveling 05:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Let me give it a try

I shall try to clean it up, but honestly saying he is current box-office hero in Tamil Nadu, Kollywood. He is transforming into another Rajnikanth in Tamil filmdom.

But i can try my best to neutralise this article.

--M.arunprasad 13:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Real tough job : cleaning Vijay's and Ajith's article. -- M.arunprasad 09:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war

To all editors... Please discuss your reverts here or I'll be forced to protect the article and take measures Vs 3RR violators. Cheers -- Szvest 16:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

[edit] Names of Vijay's children

I am sure their names are Jason Sanjay and Divya Saasha. But someone keeps changing it to Sanjay Jason and Divya Sreesha. Which is correct? Anwar saadat 17:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aathi - biggest flop or biggest hit?

Have the guts to accept the truth. He has been issued a indefinite red card until his producer-father SA Chandrasekara refunds the fancy minimum guarantees of Rs20+ crores! Anwar saadat 01:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It is a flop, no one can deny the fact. You can talk to Mathu007, he has been editing Aathi as a big hit. I don't like to have the same problem of Ajith's article here.--M.arunprasad 06:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Just like sify, this is another link which says aathi completed hundred days run in some places. So now that it is proved the movie did a fair business at box office. You must be aware that Galatta.com is specialised in cine news, Yahoo and Tamilcinema have tied-up with Galatta.com for cine industry news, So they won't publish a false news. So just add the red card issue mildly without any link. Otherwise you have to babysit Vijay and Ajith article as long as you are in wikipedia. --M.arunprasad 07:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Almost all vernacular media talk about how big were Aadhi's losses. Running 100 days, singular shows daily by paying off show rentals is not accomplishment! Some magazines speculate Aadhi losses were next only to Baba. Exhibitors are going on hunger strike in several districts. Red Card is still in place. Evidence is overwhelming. There is no point in trying to hide Vijay's flops. I am a Ajith fan but I didn't try to hide his Jana! Check out these links - [1], [2], [3]. I am sure there is no smoke without fire! The trade fact is - Aathi never picked up at all after no-show on Day 1. Check out its rank in sixth weekend box office in Chennai Anwar saadat 13:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Cool down :-), i just pointed out fans will refer these links which will prove this movie is a Hit. As you have pointed out, i can point out few links which started saying Thirupathi is doing a bad business at box-office... [4]. See there are people with different opinions, so we can get such links with positives and negatives. As long as you better both the article, i'm happy. If you are going to add flop history only to Vijay (meaning he has given more flops than ajith, which is not true and everyone in TN knows that) which is not fair. --M.arunprasad 05:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry! I'd not belittle Vijay as against Ajith in Vijay's article itself! I will try my best to paint a reasonably accurate potrait for Vijay soon. If I really wanted to glorify Ajith, then I'd not have written about Heera at all. Btw, I have replaced Thirupathi with Villain as the biggest hit for Ajith. :-( Anwar saadat 11:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, the television station Sun T.V. which can of course not publish false information has put Aathi as the number 1 movie for several weeks surpassing the other two movies that were released on pongal. Can you explain that to me? Internet sites can lie, but television stations can not because millions of people will be watching. ---Mathu

Television stations routinely lie. Nevertheless, unless there's evidence to the contrary, they are viable citeable sources for Wikipedia. --Yamla 02:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

What would you trust more, a website that can publish lies, or a station that will probably get in trouble by the producers of the movies they allegedly lie about. Sun T.V. is a very reputable television station and it is also the most popular station in all of Chennai. This station has a weekly top ten movies and they base their rating on the box office collection. If this t.v. station lies about aathi being the top, and then paramasivan and saravanna being second and third respectfully, then i'm sure the producers and directors of both paramasivan and saravanna would take legal action to correct this mistake. It is okay for a television station to state their OPINIONS about a movie, however since this station is talking about how well the movie fares at the box office, it is ILLEGAL for the station to post false information and run down the other movies if they are reallt doing well because that would have a negative effect on the audience when they decide what movie to watch. If Sun T.V. is lying, then the produers would most definetly bring up a lawsuit for the t.v. station. Also, there is evidence on Vijay's official site that states Aathi had a good run which is reliable information. I think the only way for this article to stay neutral is if aathi is recorded as neither a hit or a flop. This is the only fair situation because the evidence proves and disproves both sides of this issue. I therfore think that the article should be changed as soon as possible.---Mathu

How many links you need? Not only sify.com, but also other leading portals like indiaglitz.com, behindwoods.com, cinesouth.com, tamilcinema.com and galatta.com have confirmed that Aathi is a flop. Do you think they were all lying? All leading satellite channels like Raj TV, Jaya TV, Vijay TV also said Aathi is a flop. Do you think they were all lying? Only Sun TV said Aathi is average bcoz they have purchased satellite rights for that film. This news came in hindu.com, which is the most respected newspaper in South India. Why Vijay fans can't accept a failure gracefully? All leading magazines like Vikatan, Kumudam, Nakkheeran and Kungumam also reported that Aathi is a flop and female audience have shunned the film due to excessive violence. Do you think they were all lying? So please stop exaggerating about its success. The results of Pongal 2006 are crystal clear - Paramasivan is hit, Saravana is average and Aathi is a flop. Why else would distributors and exhibitors bother to organise a huge press meet to say Aathi is a flop and they want to be compensated? Anwar 22:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of what you say, there is evidence to support both sides of this issue. It should be left neutral not stating any informaton on it. I'm not saying don't say any of vijay's movies were flops. There were tons of flops, maybe even more than the hits that he had. But Aathi is too controversial to be writing concrete comments about. Keep it neutral, don't talk about it.

Dude, there is nothing controversial about Aathi's failure. Its a clear-cut case. So please stop trying to create a controversy out of a non-issue. Anwar 13:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

DR.VIJAY is a next superstar in Tamil cinema & Aathi film is not flop its is a minimum 50 days run in theatre but comparing to AJITH his failure film given below 1; G 2 : THIRUPATHI 3 . ATTAKASAM

4. PARAMASIVAN  5. KIREDAM 6. ANJENEYA  these total 7 film not more than 100 days so Dr.VIJAY IS BETTER THAN FAILURE AJITH BY SIVA KUMAR  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.127.160 (talk) 07:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shoba Chandrasekar's filmography

Can someone please confirm if Vijay's mother Shoba is the same actress Shoba who acted in Kamal's Nizhal Nijamiradhu(1978)? Is this her filmography? Anwar saadat 22:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

i think its a mix-up of Shoba (late actress) and Shoba chandrasekaran (Vijay's mom). Vijay'm mom was just a playback singer not an actress. --M.arunprasad 07:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I am still not sure about this. Anwar saadat 10:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm very sure about my point :-) --M.arunprasad 11:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

OK then, can you please change the article accordingly? Also, can you mark the films, which had songs of Vijay, with a note (a) Ippo naan sema kaduppule irukken indha vennai Zoravaale. Anwar saadat 12:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major revision

I've revised the articles for Rajnikanth, Ajith, and now Vijay. It really seems as if the fans working on these articles were trying to write them to try to top the articles for the rival actors. It would be unfair if we revised one article towards neutrality and didn't touch the other two. So they're ALL done now (or will be done as soon as Anwar gets blocked for breaking 3RR). Guys, these are encyclopedia articles, not fansites, and not counters in a three-way actor war. Please join the Indian cinema project and hang out with the other editors. We're gradually developing a set of guidelines on how to write Indian film articles that, I think, will keep the articles neutral and fair. Let's deserve the readers' trust by writing honest articles. Zora 17:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Your case resembles a Greek teaching Latin to Romans. You have no idea what is important and what is not in the world of Kollywood. You have managed to blank whole paragraphs along with supported links without even pretense of an explanation. That's extreme trolling. You have been reported accordingly. Anwar saadat 17:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

It's true, I don't watch many Tamil movies, and I'm not up on the Kollywood gossip. That said, I don't think that there are special rules for Tamil movie articles exempting them from the usual rules for WP articles. The articles you've written are awash with extraneous hagiographic detail, and laden with value judgments. WP does not exist to puff actors and actresses! There is a constant battle throughout Wikipedia to keep out the fancruft, and there was much in those articles that was pure fancruft. Including the external links to all the fansites. The WP policy on external links Wikipedia:External links says that if there is any link to a fansite at all, it should be to ONE site, the best. The Indian cinema project is removing all links save the IMDB and one to the actor's official website. Most fansites are just commercial ploys -- collections of ads with the star's name plastered on it to attract eyeballs.

Editing is not vandalism, nor is it trolling. I don't know where you've "reported" me, but I can't imagine that any admin is going to take your complaints seriously -- especially when you are courting a block by going over 3RR yourself. Also, it's not just me. Many editors have complained about your behavior. I came here because of the complaints. Please join the Indian cinema project and interact with us -- we're a good group, usually a very harmonious group, and we really are making a good case for Indian cinema to the rest of the world. Zora 17:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

You haven't still explained the rationale for blanket removal of paragraphs and links. Can you please point out exactly which line or paragraph is hagiographic detail or value judgement in your opinion? Btw, you tried to remove the links that support the article. As you have no clue what is important and what is not in Kollywood, you are certainly not in a position to insert or add or edit this article according to your POV. There is no fancruft in this article. We have removed all of that long ago. Go through history of these articles before reverting tomorrow again. If you have a problem with external links, say so in the talk page rather than blanking the whole article. As I said earlier, we know what we are doing. Please don't presume. Anwar saadat 17:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latest News: User:Anwar saadat is back as user:212.32.85.221

What do you suggest we do about this vandalist. Find him on the ajith article history! Check out his history, he is purposly putting the days vijay films ran down, so they will look like flops. We must stop him, for the neutrality of Wikipedia. Jath16 15:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red card

Hello. I am an administrator with no particular stake in this article. I note that Anwar Saadat continues to add content ("red card") to this article and Ravi5099 continues to remove this. It is not clear to me which side is wrong here. Wikipedia works only if the editors can build a consensus. Can someone please tell me whether there is a consensus on whether this information should stay? I can find no evidence of a discussion but have not checked far back through the history. Is this already the case of one single editor pushing a point of view and everyone else reverting, or is this matter open to debate? If there is currently no consensus, I would ask both parties to refrain from editing the article further until it has been discussed here and a consensus reached. This can be enforced if necessary by protecting the page from edits. On the other hand, if someone can provide evidence that there already is a consensus here, I can ask and require one party to stop. Please note that a consensus is not the same as a democratic vote. Please let me know or please discuss the matter here. --Yamla 23:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The edit war continues with no significant attempt to come to a consensus. As such, I have protected this page from all edits. Please let me know once a consensus has been reached. --Yamla 13:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The red card was issued ONLY because the day was delayed by one day, not because the film was a flop. The money lost on that ONE DAY alone was a lot, but that does not make the movie a flop. It is unfair to call aathi a flop just because it missed its release day and lost money because of it.---Mathu

The red card was issued bcoz Vijay refused to compensate the huge losses. Nobody issues red card for one-day delay - which is common in the film industry. The film was sold for over Rs.200 million and did not even get an opening due to lack of marketing and stiff competition from Paramasivan. Such heavy losses were similar to Baba. But Vijay did not compensate like Rajini. Hence the red card. Anwar 22:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] unprotection request

I want to link some films and by the way i tink the war is over Thamizhan 20:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Yamla 20:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help cite sources

This article has been re-stubbed due to WP:BLP concerns. Please do not replace any material without first citing reliable third party sources. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 17:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vijay

[edit] Flash News

Vijay is the best actor.. According to Vijay awards, Vijay is going to be the next superstar. He was given a prize from Kamalhassan "The Next Superstar" Because this award is given by kamal hasen. Not by a real superstar rajini. now day vijay tv giving all award to vijay because their tv name is vijay. their only advertise it.

Sarvanan27

[edit] Vijay's wife

Vijay's wife is actually from London UK. But her parents are from SriLanka Sarvanan27

[edit] Doctorate

I just reverted an addition that was sourced that stated Vijay was to be the youngest actor awarded with a (in this case honorary) doctorate. Unfortunately, this is simply false. With just a couple of minutes of effort, I found that Anna Friel, approximately two years younger than Vijay, was already awarded an honorary doctorate. See here. I strongly suspect there are others. It may be worth noting our policy on reliable sources, here, is WP:RS. --Yamla 00:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Doctorate

Why have you deleted putting Dr. Vijay? After all, he was legally credited with the honorory doctorate...

Likewise, in the other titles column, in ajith's article, they have used "thala". Then we can use Ilayasuperstar, thangathalapathy etc..? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.145.125.98 (talk) 12:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CONTENT!

Dear Editor,

Why have you limited the content of this article to a single paragraph? is there no other news about him? Does it need stupid lines such as "his mother tongue is Tamil"? And why cant you put more things about his childhood life and how he struggled in his childhood days? He is not a born-actor and born-rich. Taking Ajith's article you have put up heaps of things about him with lots of headings. Do Wikipedia thinks Vijay is in someway cheaper than that Ajith? IN NO WAY!

This is not a fan blog after all. Only a global encyclopaedia aspired by all, I believe.

After all, he is an iconous actor in TN next only to Superstar Rajni. If you dont bother, i will be creating a page for vijay with lots of articles which you can search, break your heads and approve it.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.145.125.98 (talk) 12:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Whatever you want to put here, make at least sure that it is well sourced. Please read our pages on verifiability, reliable sources and biographies of living persons. What is written here must not only be true, it must be supported by reliable sources referenced in the article. Fram (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Joseph Vijay

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[edit] Fancruft

[edit] Let me give it a try

[edit] Edit war

[edit] Names of Vijay's children

[edit] Aathi - biggest flop or biggest hit?

[edit] Shoba Chandrasekar's filmography

[edit] Major revision

[edit] Latest News: User:Anwar saadat is back as user:212.32.85.221

[edit] Red card

[edit] unprotection request

[edit] Please help cite sources

[edit] Vijay

[edit] Flash News

[edit] Vijay's wife

[edit] Doctorate

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[edit] Doctorate

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