Talk:Joseph Martin (speaker)

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[edit] Reads like an advertisement?

Can you make any suggestions on how this article can be improved? I am not sure what is being percieved as being advertised. I attempted to write it neutrally, but I would like some suggestions on non-neutral statements. Ursasapien (talk) 09:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

My apologies. I used the wrong tag. The tag I intended to use was regarding sources.

• All of the sources cited in the article are affiliated with the subject. There are no third-party sources to lend a more neutral point of view. If no third-party sources about Joseph Martin are available, then his notability is in question. For example, for the sentance "These lectures have been heard by hundreds of thousands of people around the world," there should be a very specific citation establishing this fact - preferably a third-party source. You may want to work a little more on establishing the notability of Joseph Martin. Many of the subjects mentioned in the article are linked to red-link (non-existent) articles.
• Also, there are a lot of weasel words that tend to make the entry non-encyclopedic. For example, "...would use them to give his famous Chalk Talks". The fame is according to whom? If they are famous, what are they? Is there a section (with proper citations) describing them? ++Arx Fortis (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Noted. I am working at gathering sources. Many of them are in "paper" books and periodicals, which means I have to get off my duff and actually go to the library. The second issue is that most of the interest in him was in the 70's and 80's, so I have to do more research. The third obstacle is that, although he is well-known and respected among the community of folks recovering from alcoholism and those treating folks with alcoholism, this is a rather narrow group of people. However, I know he has been written up in several reliable publications so if I have a few months I am sure I will be able to improve this article. Ursasapien (talk) 01:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)