Talk:Joseph M. Papp

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      • This page sounds like he wrote it himself. I definitely would not be surprised if this were found to be the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihcnaib (talk • contribs) 18:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


>>>>I heard from an acquaintance that Papp committed suicide today (3 May 08)??? Any truth to this???Azx2 (talk) 18:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


<<<<Papp didn't commit suicide. That's ridiculous. Juandvd.trrs (talk) 21:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


    • Ok, I have done more research into historical record and spoken to subject and others and spent some time editing the entry today to clarify factual information, provide additional references and lessen effect of subjective content intended to distort subject matter and which may reveal an author's possible bias for/against subject. It seems like there is consistent effort to draw some distinction between Papp's status as a racer and that of, for example, Juan Torres (ex-teammate of Papp's) in 2007 season. Papp competed on teams that were "professional" but also teams that were (elite) "amateur". The deciding factor should be what type of license he held (UCI international elite) and the races in which he competed (UCI 2.2's, 2.5's, etc). The distinction between UCI-registered and non-UCI registered teams is salient from a technical perspective, but if it is included in the entry in an attempt to lessen subject's credibility, then there should also be a full explanation of the relevance of the multi-tiered system for classifying teams and an explanation of the actual distinction between a T3 and non-T3 team (with respect to the purchase of UCI license as opposed to any significant or relative technical support difference); and also an explanation of the categorization of UCI events. Azx2 (talk) 15:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
      • One of the difficulties of the UCI system is that the level of team doesn't necessarily assert the status of the rider. As the regs currently stand, all riders in PT and PC teams are professionals (and PT riders at least covered by a minimum wage), but riders below can be professional in a team of otherwise amatuer riders. Many riders as they come towards the end of their career drop to Continental teams, still waged as professionals, where they can pass on their experience to new, young riders who aren't necessarily professional. To assert a rider is of lesser status because of the team they rode for is false; to imply it within the article is NPOV as it isn't weighting the significance of being in a lesser team properly. Assert what they did do; the reader can figure out the rest. SeveroTC 15:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
    • In respect of restoration of redlink for Univest GP I tried to create brief entry for Univest GP race. Race website has good content but it would be copyright-protected and not available for pasting into Wikipedia. Does anyone know owner of content at the website http://www.univestgrandprix.com/univestgp/history.html who could authorize more detailed history, which would validate inclusion of redlink for Univest GP?Azx2 (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)