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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: I am deeply saddened by the bias of this article. It is true that Bishop Josaphat was killed by a mob of Orthodox. However, the author did not fully discuss that this was a time of enormous upheaval in the Ruthenian church brought about by the Union of Brest (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Brest) Bishop Josaphat was part of a group of Catholic bishops that that vehemently opposed the movement to reinstate the Orthodox Church in the Ruthenian homelands. The majority of people actually returned to the Orthodox Church as stated in the Wikipedia article called “History of Christianity in Ukraine” (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity_in_Ukraine#Union_of_Brest_and_its_aftermath) There was much violence caused on both sides of the dispute in this sad part of our religious history. Bishop Josaphat was killed because of his role in instigating such violence. Nowhere in this article is there mention of this, nor is it disclosed that while he is glorified as a saint in the Catholic Church, there are many Orthodox Christians who revile him as being quite the opposite. Sterling glenn (talk) 21:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC) (edit)

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[edit] Rename to Kuncewicz

Considering as how we have an article on Kuncewicz family, is there any reason this member has his surname in the 'Kuncevyc' variant?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  14:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

In fact, "Kuncevyc" must be write as minimum "Kuncevych"!!!!! This is ukrainized form of all-Slavic name, known in Poland as "Kuncewicz". But, dear Mr. Piotruś, Kuncevych wasn't a Pole, and please don't suggest here to write his name in Polish language. The same situation is with "Sheptycky (Sheptyc'kyi)" and "Szeptycki". Let's to finish Polish Wiki in Poland. Amen. Rostislaw

[edit] His Relics?

To say "his relics" is inaccurate. St. Josaphat's body lies under the altar of St. Basil in St. Peter's Basilica. I have changed this to read "a relic" meaning a portion of his body.Caeruleancentaur 16:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do you really think this "guy" is a saint?

Josaphat Kuncevych killed Orthodox christians and burned their bodies or let them be eaten by dogs. A saint indeed!? Kuncevych in Belarus and Stepinac in Croatia! What a nice pair of "saints" we have here! And you even dare proclaiming them martyrs. Let us see what the Chancellor of Lithuania, Leo Sapiega, the representative of the Polish King,and a catholic, wrote to Josaphat Kuntsevich on 12 March, 1622, which is one and a half years before Josaphat's death:

"...By thoughtless violence you oppress the Russian people and urge them on to revolt. You are aware of the censure of the simple people, that it would be better to be in Turkish captivity than to endure such persecutions for faith and piety. You write that you freely drown the Orthodox, chop off their heads, and profane their churches. You seal their churches so the people, without piety and Christian rites, are buried like non-Christians. In place of joy, your cunning Uniatism has brought us only woe, unrest, and conflict. We would prefer to be without it. These are the fruits of your Uniatism."

That is really an abomination. May God have mercy upon such a "Church" and such christians!

Hieromonk Ksenofont, Serbian Orthodox Church

The Hieromonk's observations have more than a bit of merit. While the Catholic Church indeed honors Josephat as a Saint, his life is highly controversial - a fact of which I see no mention in this bio. He has long been an object of hatred by Orthodox Christians who accuse him of all manner of coercive, repressive, and distasteful acts in his zeal for Catholicism over Orthodoxy. That the article makes no reference whatsoever to these considerations - instead painting a picture of a universally-admirable hierarch - leaves its NPOV seriously open to debate. Irish Melkite (talk) 06:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)