Talk:Jos LeDuc

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	Jos LeDuc has been listed as one of the Everyday life good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
Article milestones Date Process Result February 14, 2008 Peer review Reviewed March 24, 2008 Good article nominee Listed Current Status: Good article

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Contents 1 GA review 1.1 Specific comments 1.2 Second reading 1.3 Good Article criteria met

[edit] GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Numerous prose suggestions below, expansion needed to lead section. Resolved

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   The citations on most sentences is appreciated. References appear to be reliable wrestling information sources.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Excellent job of not writing in universe!

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

   Quite stable

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Only image has fair use rationale.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On Hold Passed

[edit] Specific comments

• expand the WP:LEAD to answer the question: why was he a notable wrestler? It doesn't "stand alone as a concise overview of the article". The article has the beginning and the end but it is missing the best part: the middle. Important championships should be noted.Y DoneGaryColemanFan (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • A sentence or 2 with the total number of individual and tag team championships should be added as it's a very important summary for the lead section. Before the edit conflict, I had suggested doing a lead like the Jerry Lawler article.
• "...LeDuc had combat sport experience, as he had studied judo." LeDuc is confusing since you use his real name "Pigeon" later in that paragraph. I suggest calling him Pigeon until his kayfabe name was created. Sentence is awkward, how about ...Pigeon had combat sport experience from studying judo.Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• "Inspired by The Yukon Lumberjacks, the LeDucs' gimmick was that of stereotypical Canadian lumberjacks, and they wore flannel shirts to the ring" ...was that of... is awkward and it should be reworded. A thought on how to fix it is tot make it 2 sentences: "The LeDucs' gimmick was inspired by the Yukon Lumberjacks. They were stereotypical Canadian lumberjacks that wore flannel shirts to the ring."Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• "in an angle in which they attacked" in which sounds awkward.Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Y DoneGaryColemanFan (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• "LeDuc was involved in a storyline during that saw his character turn from face to heel" ...that... is very awkward.Y DoneGaryColemanFan (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• "The injuries Rogers supposedly received were said" the word "supposedly" is POV-pushing and it read better without it.Y DoneGaryColemanFan (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• "Tennessee area brought LeDuc more success" brought it awkward.Y DoneGaryColemanFan (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• "LeDuc and his partner Jimmy Hart". Which "his" - LeDuc or Lawless? Wasn't Hart their manager instead of their wrestling "partner"? Y Done
• Is he inducted in the SLAM! Wrestling Canadian Hall of Fame (reference #3)? If so, legit awards would be very encyclopedic and necessary for completeness. N Not done

Please complete these comments and I'll read the article again. Reviewed by Royalbroil 03:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe these have all been addressed aside from the Hall of Fame. The SLAM! Wrestling Canadian Hall of Fame isn't an actual hall of fame in the usual sense. It is a central site from which SLAM! links their articles on Canadian wrestlers. There are no inductions and the only real requirement seems to be having some connection to Canada (citizenship, extended stay, or wrestling for a significant Canadian promotion for a while). GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Good call about not doing the "Hall of Fame" since it's not legit. I marked it as not done. I'll read through the article again plus review the changes. Royalbroil 13:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Second reading

• (optional) The Yukon Lumberjacks - that article talks about them being wrestlers from 1978, so how could the LeDuc's be inspired from them in the late 1960s? It's not required for GA since you are not required to improve other articles. You probably should do it if you want to obtain FA.
• "but they were booked to lose it later that year". I'm unclear - were they booked to "lose" and they quit before the storyline played out or did they quit after they "lost"?
• "were involved in an angle" still not addressed (or there were 2 instances). How about replacing "in which" with "where"
• "he wrestled as The Headbanger during an episode" Do you mean that he wrestled under the name "The Headbanger"?

The Japanese media's description of LeDuc as "maniacal" and "demented" is excellent! I added a link to his Internet Movie Database page. Royalbroil 13:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article criteria met

You have addressed by concerns, and I believe the article passes the Good Article criteria! The reviewer is asked to provide some suggestions about how to improve the article. Suggestions that I have for improving it to Featured Article status would be to work a little on expanding the the flow between the different series. You could add some fluff between the meaty facts in the article. A little more context would be helpful: some explanation about the state of wrestling during his career since it's a lot different than things are now. Royalbroil 17:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)