Talk:José Mindlin
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[edit] Ukrainian writer
Ukraine did not exist when his family left Odessa. Moreover, Odessa was populated by non-Ukrainians, and his family weren't Ukrainians but Jews. He is as Ukrainian as a white person in New YOrk is an Iroquios.
In Ukraine (and elsewhere in Eastern Europe) Jews are considered a nationality and not just religion - it said so on their passports. For example there are some Orthodox Christians who are Jewish by nationality (see for example Alexander Men).
Particularly 100 years ago, there was segregation in that Jews lived in their own settlements, spoke Yiddish or Hebrew (and Polish) and not a word of Ukrainian. Nowadays they would be considered Ukrainain because of Ukrainian citizenship. But in those days even that would not be the case. With respect to living in Ukraine for 1,000 - yes, but again that does not mean that they are Ukrainian. Poles, for example, have lived in Ukraine for centuries also, and yet they are not categorized on wikipedia as Ukrainians. Look at the articles on Stanisław Albinowski, the writer Joseph Conrad, and many others all born in what is now Ukraine but properly categorized as Poles. With respect to Jews, famous Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, whose family originates in UKraine, also not considered Ukrainian. And the famous Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal is also from Ukraine, and is properly labeleld as JEwish or Austrian or Ukrainian Jew. He would probably be surprised to be called a "Ukrainian."
There is nothing Nazi-like or racist about proper categorization.Faustian (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
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- To me there is some Nazi in this. Hitler divided Germany in 2: Christians of predominantly Germanic origin, and Jews of Jewish origin.
They killed the Jews for being Jews.
You are trying to separate Ukraine in 2, as did the Nazi:
One side Christians of mostly Slavic origin, the other side Jews of mostly Jewish origin.
If Clarice Lispector, born in Ukraine to Ukrainian parents cannot be Ukrainian because she had Jewish roots, did not speak Ukrainian or did not feel Ukrainian, George Washington was the first non-American president of America, because he had Britsh roots, did not speak a North-American language and probably felt more "Virginian" than "American". Opinoso (talk) 01:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
