Talk:José Eduardo dos Santos

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Contents 1 Sao Tome 1.1 ============================================================ 1.2 ============================================================ 2 Nathan Holland, PHD in Angolan MPLA Propaganda 3 MPLA Angola Elections Fraud

[edit] Sao Tome

There have been several edits in the past that claim that JEdS was born in Sao Tome. Every source of information that I have says that he is of Mbundu origin born in Luanda. I'm curious if there's any documentation that suggests he was born elsewhere.

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Well the fact is that Mr. Jose Eduardo dos Santos is from a Sao Tome e Principe Family , Jose Eduardo dos Santos was born in Sao Tome e Principe and then they immigrated to Angola. You must realize that in those days people could travel freely between portuguese colonies. Today Mister JES has an army of bureucrats in Angola running the countries adminitration and reporting dirrectly to him, they are from Sao Tome e Principe and Cabo Verde. Going back he is and was Born in Sao Tome e Principe this is a well known "secret" there is a joke in Luanda that he found a young angolan boy and robed his passport.

If there were some sort of documented evidence that JES was born in Sao Tome or that there are many people who believe that he is not born there then that information could be included in something like a "controversy" section of the page. The academic world believes that he is an Mbundu born in Luanda. So it would not be right to change the article because you know a "well known secret". There are people who still believe that the world is flat but when you look up Earth it describes it as being round but gives attention to the fact that there are people who truly believe that it is flat. So, if the information is going to be on the page, we need to know who believes it and what their grounds are for believing it and some sort of documentation, a website or book or something. I am not trying to be difficult but to be fair. --Nathan Holland 00:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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To say that Mr. dos Santos was born in Sao Tomé e Princípe has got to be the biggest piece of crap I have ever read. Nathan Holland seems to be a person with a vivid and useless imagination. Mascal4 14:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nathan Holland, PHD in Angolan MPLA Propaganda

Nathan Holland, PHD in Angolan MPLA Bullshit

You seem to know shit about Angola, and you seem the "know" something about angola when in fact you know jack shit about Angola, where have you got the idea that just because you whent to Angola once apon a time, know you know something about Angola, I can tell you you know jack ass nothing what so ever about Angola so please keep you part time job at Wolf Camera, and leave the MPLA propaganda out of wikipedia, you are playing with the lives of people you are playing whit a nation you know nothing about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.7.252.130 (talk) 22:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

I am sorry if I have upset you 195.7.252.130. I completely agree with you, there is no place for MPLA propaganda in wikipedia. . It is hard to have an article about the President of the MPLA party and have no MPLA bias. It is not a place for UNITA propaganda either. That is where wikipedia needs your help. If the article is biased towards one side or the other you can constructively point it out on the talk pages before making controversial edits. I also have no doubt that you know a great deal more about Angola than I do. I don't want to sound like an Angola know it all. In fact, people like you can teach us alot. In my search to find information about Sao Tome I have learned quite a bit actually. I hope we can keep up a positive conversation.

I have never actually added anything to the JEDS page. I have only reverted edits on it. There seem to be several things that you have added in your edits that have been reverted by me or others. Here are a few of my thoughts on them.

• JEDS was born in Sao Tome: I have found some documentation that says that JEDS might be from Sao Tome so I will include that as a footnote.
• Changing Jonas Savimbi to Dr. Jonas Savimbi: this seems to be a fairly common way to refer to him so I see no problem with that.
• "unelected" when referring to the president: It is hardly conventional to refer to a president as an "elected" president, it is just assumed. Likewise, to say unelected president every time he is referred to is just silly. later in the article it talks about elections and how neither candidate had the required 50% of the votes. It is my understanding the Savimbi was not willing to wait for a runoff. So by default the current candidate in power stayed in power and the country went back to war.
• calling JEDS a dictator: No comment

I am going to add the footnote about Sao Tome and Dr. Jonas Savimbi as well as a couple of other things that you added in various revisions. Others may decide to revert them. As far as I can remember this will be the first time I have added anything to this page. I am not wanting to make enemies here so after these edits I am going to retire from this page and I wont edit it or revert your edits anymore. Again, I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

--Nathan Holland 07:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MPLA Angola Elections Fraud

The elections where a farce with the independent international observers personally witnessing the large scale of fraud committed by the regime apparatus of Mr. Jose Eduardo dos Santos dictator of Angola. The independent International observers witnessed and took pictures and video recordings of large amounts of Dr. Jonas Malleiro Savimbi casted votes placed in the floor of local airport hangers which where never accounted for. Never the less how can it possible the unelected brutal and criminal regime of the MPLA gain any form of majority if the MPLA is hatred by all and singular. (Source: Enrico Gervasoni independent international observer to the elections) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.7.252.130 (talk) 01:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)