User talk:Jorditxei

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[edit] template

Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Shoessss 16:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oxera

There's nothing dictatorial about my actions. Your article did not suit Wikipedia notability guidelines (WP:CORP), and it was deletable under WP:CSD#G11 because the article was written like an advertisement for Oxera. Nishkid64 (talk) 20:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Administrators are supposed to delete articles that go against policy. I looked at your article, and it still read like an advertisement for the company. Please see WP:NPOV and WP:CORP. I didn't delete it just because of WP:CSD#G11 but also because of the non-notability of the company (WP:CORP). Any article that doesn't meet notability guidelines is subject to deletion. I'll undelete the article for now, and you can make the necessary corrections to make it comply with Wikipedia policy. Also, Wikipedia does not allow WP:OR, so you must source information in the article. Nishkid64 (talk) 20:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, I would appreciate it if you could stop calling my actions "dictatorial". I am just following procedure, and doing my duties as an administrator. Nishkid64 (talk) 20:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dont get your message

I just received a message from you saying that I had delited templates and that I would be blocked. Sorry but dont understand your dictatorial manners. I erased the stub logo because the article was no longer a stub. Good luck.--Jorditxei 18:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The warning was for removing the speedy deletion tag on an article you were involved with Oxera. The policy for when you disagree with a speedy deletion is to place a {hangon} on the article and explain why you disagree with the speedy deletion. Moreover, an administrator will make the final decision. You just cannot remove the tag. Hope this helps. Shoessss 10:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki española

Yo creo que no he podido ser más claro. No creo ni entiendo que hubiese que bloquearte, y más de esa forma. De todas formas veremos a ver qué decide el CRC.

Si necesitas cualquier cosa, te recuerdo que además de mi página de aquí puedes mandarme un mensaje al correo electrónico.

Un saludo, Filipo2 11:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Creo, aunque no estoy del todo seguro, que te puedes registrar y, a pesar de estar bloqueado y no poder editar, enviar correos electrónicos. Te lo digo para que no te juegues otro bloqueo a tu nueva IP si te ven editando.
En cuanto a la reclamación, me pareció bastante bien fundada. Yo espero que salga adelante y te desbloqueen, pero está en manos de los miembros del CRC. El problema de qué es una acusación ad hominem, qué no lo es, etc. es que todo se puede tergiversar y malinterpretar de cualquier forma.
Por cierto, sí que tengo dado de alta el e-mail aquí. No sé por qué no ha funcionado. --Filipo2 13:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello Jordtixei. Happy to see you too. We are supposed to write in English here so everybody can see what are we saying. You must learn from your experience in Wikipedia in Spanish. Here things are less personal and more formal so you must follow procedures to the letter. Because in English is easier to find good sources, dicussion here is more based on sources. Also I think the age of people is older so thought is more structured. However this is also a very demmanding environement and netiquette is enforced thoroughly. Be cautious and do not engage continuously or you will run in problems. 11-M article seems to be calm nowadays once the Randroide was neutralized by Jim62 but storm can unleash at any moment. Enjoy and take care. --Igor21 12:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)PS : IMHO your bloking was excesive but it happened in a background of turmoil were nobody was in the mood to sustain discussions about the many issues you arised. IMHO you were blocked because there was no energy to deal with your energy. You would have been a valuable resource and perhaps you can come back at some point. I hope so.

[edit] salut

sorry si je ne suis pas toujours clair. J'ai surtout été actif sur wikipedia:fr et le français est ma langue materternelle que tu sembles très bien parler !
Féliciations pour ton boulot sur wikipedia:en en tout cas et en particulier sur l'article causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus.
Cheers, Alithien 16:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA = Good Article

And why not a FA : Featured Article ;-) ?
See you, Alithien 17:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] not neutral

Hello,
I think this [1] is not neutral and not really correct.
I think it would be better to add a quote from a valuable reference stating that the right of return is justified by the fact that palestinians were chased and given they were not *all* chased and that the issue is controversed, it should be written that way :

MrSomeone thinks that (...) <quote> right of return (...) because (...) chased </quote>

I don't know if you have such reference ?
What you added about Lehi/Haganah/Irgoun is not at all accurate. This only concerns 2 waves of refugees and the author in the reference you use is not reliable if he writes that this concerns the whole palestinian exodus...
What do you think about that ? Alithien 17:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi
ok.
First and second waves are only 50%. (100k + 250/300k).
Alithien 17:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
lol lol lol
World is very little ! You live at Brussels :-)
At the occasion we could meet to discuss.
I just refer to Birth revisited
Ch. The second wave - conclusion - p.262 : (...) "resulting in 250,000-300,000 refugees".
Ch. The fist wave - p.67 : "by the end of march 1948, somme 100,000 Arabs (...)".
350k-400k out of ~750k -> I rounded this to 50% but this is not a real important matter ;-)
Alithien 17:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
NB: As you see I have Birth revisited at home BUT if I could give an advice : don't buy this book !
Righteous victims is a very intersting and well written book but the Birth revisited is un-readable. This is just a compendium of events :-( Alithien 18:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
In fact, I live at Liege, this is 100 km east of Brussels. Alithien 18:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I answered but do not agree you remove this flag. As written, I am looking for a solution to neutralize this section, which is not neutral. sorry :-(. Alithien 18:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] why Plan Dalet(h) cannot be a milestone the table of "depopulated villages"

Hi Jorditxei,

[edit] Plan D

Khalidi, Nusrala et Pappé pensent que le Plan Daleth est une *preuve* qu'un nettoyage ethnique était prévu par le Yichouv dès mars 1948.
Morris, Gelber, Laurens pensent le contraire et rejettent cette idée. Ils disent que c'est la "guerre" et de multiples autres causes qui en découlent, qui sont la cause de l'exode palestinien. Ils ne parlent d'ailleurs pas de nettoyage ethnique pour cette période mais de fuite.
Ils expliquent bien que les expulsions systématiques eurent lieu plus tard.
Dès lors, prendre le Plan Dalet comme tournant est donc orienté, c'est lui donner un rôle. Or, ce point de vue (pov) est loin d'être partagé ! (et si tu lis l'article fr:Plan Daleth, je pense que tu te convaincras que cette hypothèse est même absurde mais c'est hors sujet).
Mais en conclusion, sa présence n'est pas anodine et sous-entend quelque chose -> that is POV. :-)

[edit] Commentaires sur les chiffres du tableau

Les commentaires écrits me posent aussi problème. Car ce sont des commentaires de Khalidi. On voit apparaître les mots destructions de maison. J'ai effacé également ce qui concernant la ré-installation d'immigrants juifs.
Comme pour le plan Daleth, c'est POV et c'est faux.
Il n'y a eu aucune réinstallation avant fin 1948.
Les mots employés non plus ne sont pas neutres : "depopulated or destroyed" villages. J'ai ajouté "abandonned, depopulated or destroyed". Mais si on lit Morris, on devrait dire :

  • wave 1 and wave 2 : abandonned villages
  • wave 3 and wave 4 : abandonned, evacuated and/or destroyed villages

Il n'est pas évident de donner des commentaires sur ces chiffres car l'analyse de ces chiffres ressort de TOUTE la problématique du problème de l'exode palestinien et UNE SEULE analyse ne peut pas convenir.
Cheers, Alithien 07:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

My French is not very good, but I read that as denying that Plan Dalet concerned ethnic cleansing, saying it didn't begin until the end of 1948. And I think it's most disputed, certainly by Morris eg Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited 2004, p.165 "Each brigade was instructed: In the conquest of villages in your area, you will determine - whether to cleanse or destroy them - in consultation with your Arab affairs advisers and HIS officers ... You are permitted to restrict - insofar as you are able - cleansing, conquest and destruction operations of enemy villages in your area.
The plan was neither understood nor used by the senior field officers as a blanket instruction for the expulsion of `the Arabs'. But, in providing for the expulsion or destruction of villages that had resisted or might threaten the Yishuv, it constituted a strategic-doctrinal basis and carte blanche for expulsions. PalestineRemembered 11:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Draft of new "Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus"

Hola Jorditxei!

I started a draft User:Pedro Gonnet/Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Feel free to help move content over and polish it up a bit! Cheers, Pedro Gonnet 16:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EC Comp law

Thanks for your work so far! Please do keep adding. Wikidea 13:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perdone usted

Hola, verás participé en la wikipedia española durante unos días en el artículo sobre la "Barrera israelí de Cisjordania". El caso es que apareció un tal Yonderboy y Kordas, que deben ser empleados a sueldo de algún lobby israelí, y empezaron a revertir mis cambios. Primero decían que si había que dar referencias "serias", cuando se las di, entonces empezaron a decir que su inclusión debía ser "pertinente" (lo eran a todas luces) y luego el tal Yonderboy dijo que si yo era un tal Mikemoore. Luego apareció un tal Escarlati (un amiguete del tal Yonderboy) que bloqueó la página en cuestión de décimas de segundo después de que Yonderboy revirtiera mis cambios (telepatía!!). Esta clarísimo que estos dos usuarios utilizaron el correo electrónico para bloquear la página o como mínimo que el tal Escarlati se cuidó mucho de no cometer el "error" de bloquearla antes de que el tal Yonderboy revirtiera mis cambios (otro usuario de wikipedia me dijo que ya había pasado una vez contigo, que el tal Escarlati había bloqueado una página para que se quedara la versión de Yonderboy, por cierto en qué artículo?). Luego coge un tal Bucefalo y me bloquea dos semanas (!) por "intimidación y acoso a usuarios" (aquí hubiera puesto yo a "amiguetes"), no se debió leer las acusaciones previas de esos usuarios digo yo. Pero bueno, ahí no termina todo, resulta que el tal Kordas coge y presenta una "denuncia" diciendo que yo soy tú. Lo peor no es eso, resulta que un tal Drini dice que hay "evidencias" que señalan a que sí somos la misma persona (toma ya!). Así que nada, quería pedirte un favor: podrías indicarles a estas personas que ese no es el caso? Lo veo jodido que demuestren nada porque yo estoy en Oxford y no creo que tú hayas escrito nada por aquí, así que.. pero bueno, para que se aclare esto, pues mejor. Enga, que te vaya bien! PD: Muy buenos tus artículos, sigue así! --86.2.126.96 18:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting your input at Wikipedia:WikiProject Economics/Featured Article drive

Since you are a member of WikiProject Economics, I would like to direct your attention to Wikipedia:WikiProject Economics/Featured Article drive. We are currently deciding on an economics-related article to bring to Featured Article status and we would like your input. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 15:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)