Talk:Jorvik Viking Centre

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[edit] Name discussion

Started at user talk:RHaworth

Hello. Before I revert your unexplained change of name of the above, I'd be interested to know why you did it. The name of the place is JORVIK Viking Centre, not Jorvik Viking Centre - see their website. I don't believe that there's any rule that says that an article can't use capitals when appropriate, but if there is, perhaps you could point me towards it. Best. --GuillaumeTell 11:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

• I feel that the MoS overrides anything the centre does on its website. Jorvik is a proper name, not an acronym. Have you considered the weight of Google's evidence? Writing in capitals is shouting, the centre is English and the English do not shout. However if you wish to emulate the Japanese who create titles like Kyokuto I LOVE YOU and a dozen others listed in the Buck-Tick article, then I will not get into an edit war over it. -- RHaworth 19:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) which says (in part) "avoid: REALTOR®", "instead, use: Realtor" and "but, don't invent new formats: MCI is standard English, while "Mci" is essentially never used." CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

• Is that a vote for JORVIK or Jorvik? -- RHaworth 01:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Truth is, I don't know and I don't care. After seeing (and being part of) Blink-182, I read through the entire discussion on that MOS page. From what I could see it comes down to randomness. Some things like "blink-182" (note the small b) are just a marketing gimmick and thus proper English applies. However, iPod is not a marketing gimmick and the small i, capital P is fine. On the other hand OxyContin or Oxycontin are both OK. Far too complex for me. I suppose that if I had to choose then normal/proper English through out and that includes Ipod, Ebay and others or base it all on common name and go with blink-182 and iPod, eBay etc. MCI is ok though because it's an abbriviation of "Microwave Communications, Inc." And by the way, the stuff I picked up the place in question all says "JORVIK VIKING CENTRE" with no small letters at all. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I would argue that the name is Jorvik, the capitals are merely a style. We use our style, otherwise the problems of Toys R Us and I 'heart' Huckabees arise, let alone which typeface we use. Rich Farmbrough, 09:04 8 April 2007 (GMT).

I suppose that really I agree but that includes the fact that I think eBay and iPod are also styles and should be at Ebay and Ipod. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

The MoS, unless I've missed something, doesn't seem to deal with the case of an organisation which uses capitals for the first word of its name and lower-case for the rest (and the capitals aren't an acronym or an initialism), and the trademarks page doesn't really help. As for the results from Google, it doesn't seem to me to matter what other sites call the Centre - what matters is what it calls itself. It isn't totally consistent on its own site - or in its window-display, which I walked past today -, occasionally using all caps or "Jorvik", but at least 90% of references are caps-then-lowercase. Note also (see this page) that their sister operation also has a capitalised first word: it's called "DIG" and not "Dig". I had to use their subtitle for the DIG WP article in order to distinguish it from the DIG dab page.

One other point: the article on the actual Viking city from which I disentangled the above page is entitled Jórvík with accents. The Centre seems never to use the accents, but Jorvik redirects to the city rather than the Centre, which I suspect is what most people will be looking for.

Should we (can we?) move this discussion to the article's website? --GuillaumeTell 17:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

• Moved with pleasure. Why do people talk of "website" when they just mean just one page on a rather large website? -- RHaworth 17:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Brainstorm. I meant Talk page. GuillaumeTell 17:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unattractive attraction?

I went today. It was one of the most dismal museum visits I have endured. It doesn't feel encyclopedic to warn people to stay away but I wish someone had helped save me my £9! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.249.152 (talk) 22:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)