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Contents 1 Tobacco sponsorship & slogans 2 Dept of Corrections 3 Cars, esp. 191 4 Notable drivers 5 Jordan a British or an Irish team 6 Notable drivers

[edit] Tobacco sponsorship & slogans

For what it's worth, Jordan ran (in venues banning tobacco sponsorship) in humorous Buzzin' Hornets livery. And Jordan sent his people to the Fireball Roberts School of Interviewing; when asked why his drivers didn't like the new car, the answer was, "It's slow." Too bad it didn't help them survive. RIP Jordan F1. Trekphiler 00:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

There was also Bitten & Hisses and Bitten Heroes at various stages. Jordan died the day EJ sold the team, to be honest, the last season as 'Jordan' was a charade...

I missed those. I am sad to see EJ gone, but it's mixed feelings; Schnaider claims Canadian citizenship, & it's the first since Walter Wolfe. We've put a couple of drivers at the top in F1 & Champ cars; I'd love to see a Canadian-owned team there. Trekphiler 04:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dept of Corrections

Asked why drivers didn't like the new car, it was Patrick Head (of Williams...) who replied, "Not quick enough." So much for my memory... Trekphiler 06:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cars, esp. 191

I see it's intended to do an article on each car used by Jordan over the years - great. I'd like to see an image of their gorgeous first car, the 191, included in the main article, though. Anyone know of a public domain image of it about? Bastun 11:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable drivers

Surely Michael Schumacher should be included as a notable driver! Myredroom 21:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jordan a British or an Irish team

Several F1 seasons' pages include Jordan as an Irish team. I would say they were British, though. The were based at Silverstone, which is very much UK, but I'm not sure whether they also raced on a British licence. And perhaps, like Benetton, they changed from Irish to British or back at a certain point in time. Lustigson 25 July 2007 15.15 CET

Although based at Silverstone, the team raced under an Irish licence for the duration of its existence. Jordan writes about it in his autobiography. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 13:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Definately used an Irish race licence at all times - the Irish flag was used on podium celebrations, and the Irish national anthem was used at two of them - no anthem was played for the constructor at Spa '98 as they didn't have a copy, apparently. --Kiand 15:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable drivers

Recent edits sort of confirm my suspicion that 'noted drivers' is an impossible category, because everyone's definition of noted is different and what seems obviously right to one is equally obviously poppycock to others. Just as a thinking exercise, here are the list as of right now, with reasons for notability:

• Michael Schumacher - only drove one race for Jordan, but it was his debut and he went on to become (by most definitions) the most successful driver of all time in F1.
• Damon Hill - won Jordan's first race, and is a former world champion
• Rubens Barrichello - drove for Jordan for four years and took the team's first pole position.
• Eddie Irvine - drove for the team for two years.
• Heinz-Harald Frentzen - won two races for Jordan (the most won by any Jordan driver) and with two three races to go was a potential, if slightly unlikely, contender for the 1999 drivers' championship
• Giancarlo Fisichella - won one race for the team, his first and the team's last.

I'm struggling a bit with Irvine - he didn't drive for the team for a particularly long time, didn't win any races, but did achieve some podiums (as did Ralf Schumacher). I suppose if Irvine goes in, so should Ralf, but I can't really see that either of them are particularly notable. I'm not that convinced by Rubens either. I'm not going to get into an edit war over this - just interested to see what others think and why. Cheers. 4u1e 11:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

All of the above should be included, in my opinion. Irvine gets talked about a lot when Jordan are discussed, and (in my opinion at least) his F1 debut merits the inclusion in and of itself - Eddie_Irvine#Jordan_.281993-1995.29. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 14:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Are we sure that's not just from a UK/Irish point of view? By his debut, do you mean the Senna incident? What do people say about Irvine in connection with Jordan? Ralf Schumacher also made his debut for Jordan, and has been arguably more successful than Irvine - should he too be included? Glad to hear your views. 4u1e (talk) 22:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Scoring a point (under the old system) on a F1 debut is notable in and of itself; and unlapping himself from Senna and the subsequent 'altercation' only add to it. I'm fully prepared to admit that may be an Irish bias, though :P Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 22:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with a bit of pride in your country! Hmmm, I hadn't taken that debut race into account - ah well let's stick him and Ralf in and see how it goes. I see Ralf got a podium in only his third race, which is pretty notable too. (No, I'm not German!). 4u1e (talk) 08:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)