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12th October 2006- Edited bad grammar at end of page. Since the old pic had spy ware, a new pic should be found

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[edit] Newport

A few months ago this article said she was born in Newport, East-wales. Did someone vandalise or was it a misconception?

[edit] Dead?

I just searched google news, and found nothing about her being dead. Jan 7 is just a few hours old, so does anyone have a source?

[edit] Name

We better use full name as title. Wshun

Not if that's not how she was known. RickK 01:18 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I think this page should be moved to her real name. She is using the name Kate Price more and more often nowdays. I am Hot! 22:45, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Still overwhelming known as Jordan by the population at large. I think the current balance is correct. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:31, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Well ok but we should keep an eye on the situation. She used Kate on I'm a celebraty get me outta here, and so did everyone else. I am Hot! 11:37, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Agreed. Though note how "in public" e.g. when Ant or Dec spoke, or in titles, she was Jordan, but "in private" in the camp, she was Katie. That appears to be the status quo and as we write about her "in public" she is, for the time being, Jordan. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 14:17, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yeah But She is known as Katie Price a lot more expecially as she is now an author as well. besides Katie price is her real name so i think you should use it in the tital. --78.146.97.89 (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity and Nationality

What is her father's background? And given that her mother is described as "English," saying that her grandmother is merely "Jewish" seems odd. English Jewish? An immigrant from some other country? "Jewish" isn't a nationality, and if her maternal gandmother is Jewish, then so is her mother, technically speaking, and so is she. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.94.110 (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tumour

Did she have a tumor or a finger removed? Dmn

Just the tumor. She still has all 10 fingers. ;) 65.100.33.50 07:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name again?

So what's the thinking behind the title? There is no precedent for double-naming things - means that every user has to come here via redirects. Pcb21| Pete 13:08, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

From WP:RM:

  • Talk:Katie Price/Jordan – Katie Price/Jordan → Jordan (model) – Was moved from Jordan (model) to Katie Price/Jordan without consensus. tregoweth 15:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I did a speedy pagemove revert here. The standard Wikipedia practice is to have one title for the article and the other(s) as redirect(s). Combining both into a single title with a / separator is really non-standard, it's not done for any other articles I'm aware of. This title would imply that her surname is literally "Price/Jordan". -- Curps 20:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I've added this to WP:RM; this should be at either Jordan (model) or Katie Price. tregoweth 15:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC) Well, that's been taken care of. tregoweth 22:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name Move

I propose that the title of this article be changed. 'Jordan (model)' is not acceptable, an the circumstances are different as Katie Price is giving up the Jordan image (it is only used when she models), and she is also known as Katie Price to the public.

I offer the article to be changed to 'Jordan/Katie Price', as it is a combination of both of her 'celebrity names' used at present.

Leon.

I'm sorry, but I do not agree. Despite Katie Price giving up her Jordan image, she is better known as Jordan than as Katie Price. For instance, a Google search lists over 13 million hits for Jordan (search parameters: Jordan + model) while only 2 million hits for Katie Price (without any additional search parameters). Since Wikipedia perfers that the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, I don't see the point in changing the name. Yes, Katie Price should be a redirect, but combining the names is a misuse of time better spent elsewhere -- and by combining the namespace, as you suggest, it serves only to confuse the namespace. This is in stark contradiction to Manual of Style on biographies, which promotes clarity and cohesion of biographical articles on Wikipedia. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 19:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Leon. She is giving up the jordan image and she uses the name katie price a lot more e.g.when she writes it says by katie price. Yes i do agree when you say shes better known as jordan but shes becomming more known as Katie especially when me and all my friends are reading her books (crystal was Great!) So i agree with Leon. --78.146.97.89 (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

It says Katie Andre at the top, but as far as I know she never uses her married surname (like most famous women). Change back to Katie Price? Jess Cully 08:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] External Links

I Have found a Interview of her in AskMen.Com UK Journal. Interview with AskMen.Com Is it ok to add it to External links? --Messi 20:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

What about this short Intro, Comment and Biography? Model Of The Week, Katie Price --Messi 20:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

After reading this article, it seems to jump a lot at the end (probably because people just throw in information without working it into the flow of the article). A little rewrite is in order, for someone willing to do it. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 02:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


I agree, "freakin hot" come on. Evil Vin 01:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison with Paris Hilton, Glamour vs. Topless

Can anyone tell me where the comparison between Price (Jordan) and Hilton is please? Anderson maybe... if you ignore the TV acting and film appearances, jordan has none. I think the comparison line is not necessary or should hold a better comparison. 195.93.21.135 22:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Jordan has been compared to Hilton. Both are career women known for sexual scandals, dress in similar provactive outfits, and are often described as "famous for being famous". I think the comparison to Hilton is more justified then the comparison to Anderson. Reverting again. Celebrity-Benji 05:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't revert till it's discussed by others please, very poor show and vandal like. Anyone else like to add a view? Is being an heiress and buying a career the same as being a bit if a chav, filling your chest with plastic and building a career on your breasts the same thing? Jordan had 2 illegitimate children, Hilton none. Jordan no sitcom, Hilton, loosely, acts one. More misses than hits here. 195.93.21.135 12:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Further she is not a TV star, that suggests she has made TV shows of her own and known for that specifically. Her glamour model slant is a sham also and suggest topless model is her niche. 195.93.21.135 12:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Calling her a "topless model" is legitimate if you can find citations that show this is how the press primarily refer to her. The article already makes clear that she has modeled topless; the question is what her primary image is, not what any individual may think of her. I would like to see the comparision to Paris Hilton supported by a citation, but am reverting that change also; the argument given for leaving in the comparison seems sufficient to me. Mike Christie 12:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
A couple of the more recent edits are less apparent vandalism than the prior ones. They look more like someone who doesn't like Paris Hilton endeavouring to add their point of view to the article. Some of the recent reverts could be argued as NPOV reverts rather than vandalism. However, if this change is a movement on the part of the persistent IP vandal towards trying to work with others to make this article more accurate, that would be great. If there are sources or references that would support any of the statements, please post them. Mike Christie 16:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks MC. I find the glamour model tag may be confusing for anyone not familiar with Jordan as a brand. She primarily made her career topless and is best known for that. i would suggest that she makes little use of anything other than reality TV and glossy mag stories now for income. i don't think there was ever a true glamour element attatched or suggested. my understanding of a glamour model would be the Marilyn Monroes of the world, these are few these days i'm sure you'll agree. the hilton likeness i still find confusing for the reason explained. if you have to suggest there is true work involved in 'getting your kit off' then work she did but hilton merely paid for her career with inheritance. hilton isn't known for topless modelling. Anderson is an easier comparison as there is atoless element and tv link. again tho i would not class Jordan as a TV star, i think that suggests she is an accomplished entertainer, which she clearly is not. 195.93.21.135 17:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I have just done a quick search and found the official jordan fan club - www.jordanfanclub.co.uk - i didn't join! but in the search text while looking for it it states... Hi, my name is Katie Price - Jordan to my fans, and I'm one of the UK's best known page 3, topless and nude model's. This is my home on the Internet, ... i think that is enough to suggest topless and not glamour as it is her official page. 195.93.21.135 17:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC) If i can pick up on the IP mention. i am aware that anyone using AOL has the same IP which causes problems for those who either choose not to register or choose not to log in at a particular time or for a particular subject.

I had a quick look and could not find that text; can you spot it on the site itself? I agree it is a reasonable basis for the change in text, but I think we should find a page we can link to as a reference. Re the IP: if you are not aware, you should know that there has been persistent vandalism from your IP. I'd suggest you get a userid and use that; it will enable people to know they're talking to the same person each time. Mike Christie 13:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

without joining the fan club i hope the text from the web search is enough. the search txt was - The Official Jordan Fan Club - which then led to I'm Katie Price - Jordan to my fans, and I'm one of the UK's best know page 3, topless and nude model's This is my homepage and the official jordan fan club ... http://www.jordanfanclub.co.uk/

hope the TV 'star' tag can be addressed too. i have noted the IP thing and understand the problem. 195.93.21.135 14:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I won't be able to take much of a look at this till tonight, but I'll see if I can find a reference. What we really need is a link folks can click on where we know they will see text that supports the description. If you don't come up with anything I'll have a look around. Maybe searches for "Jordan" and "glamour", vs. searches for "Jordan" and "topless model", and see what looks predominant. Mike Christie 14:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I had a quick look. Turns out that text you have is a meta tag; the content is: "I'm Katie Price - Jordan to my fans, and I'm one of the UK's best know page 3, topless and nude model's This is my homepage and the official jordan fan club. I hope you enjoy your stay, like the pictures and come back and see me again soon. Wet Dreams, Jordan (Katie Price)" The keywords are "official Jordan fan club katie price nude pictures jordan nude model pics page 3 girls jordan pictures katie price topless model".
This certainly makes it clear that she thinks "topless model" is a reasonable description. However, a search for "topless model Jordan" (as a single string) returns 178 hits, whereas a search for "glamour model Jordan" (again as a single string) returns 19,100 hits. So it's also clear the vast majority of her press coverage is as a glamour model, and I think it's likely that her website uses the words "topless" and "nude" to pull in fans looking for that, who are more likely to pay money than fans looking for glamour pictures.
Given the big disparity in hits, I think "glamour" is the right word in the WP article lead-in. The rest of the article does make it clear that she does topless modeling, though the word "nude" never appears. I think it would be reasonable to add mention of nude modelling and of the nature of her website.
--Mike Christie 23:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it anyway. i just have a different idea of glamour i guess, like i say the Monroes and Macphersons of the world spring to mind. i think if the general public were asked what Jordan meant to them it would be the topless side but hey nice to discuss it. Do you stick with the Hilton comparison? And also TV 'star' tag. just looking to give a true reflection so WP visitors don't get a different impression of the person. thanks for taking the time to discuss. 195.93.21.135 23:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look but I'll be away from the net for large parts of the next three weeks, so it might be a while. Mike Christie 00:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I dont think she is like paris hilton. she has 'turned her life around' as it were, after im a celebrity get me out of here. she has started writing books and many people are also thinking of her as an author now as well. --78.146.97.89 (talk) 23:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revert request

Could someone remove the content from the article added by Elm1985, since I would run afoul of the 3RR were I to do so. Thanks! --Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 21:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source?

I question the following passage: "the baby was concieved during a filmed sex session with a number of footballers and it was only due to a DNA test that the baby was deemed to be Mr Yorkes." Is there a source on this? We are going back a few years here, but it is my recollection that the Dwight Yorke was named as the father at the same time she announced her pregnancy. Chops79 14:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

No, what actually happened was there was a big fuss made of the DNA test due to the possibility it could have been any of 4 or 5, can't remember the number exactly, Mr Yorke did say if it proved to be his he would make sure the child received payments but had no intention of staying with Ms Price. The inside story was it had been a publicity stunt initially, similar to Ms Hilton and the 'leaked' home video, but she went too far due to a cocktail of drink and other substances, which to her credit she has cleared herself of, this is then where the story regarding the disabilty her child has came from and is still a possibility but in dispute.

Her child's condition is not caused by drug or alcohol abuse. They don't know why it happens, but there is no research indicating those to be potential causes. It comes from nowhere.
It's just part of some idiot's repeated vandalism. It's been removed. f(x)=ax2+bx+c 08:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

ha ha. idiot? this was heavily publicised at the time. look, it's you with an equation for a name. i will find a link so you can put it back. such petty name calling, you sad lonely individual. name calling...oh dear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.135 (talk • contribs) .

And your response is no better, either. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 01:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Just an observation, calling someone an idiot would normally get a worse response. just an opinion but i think it is a measured response considering. but hey, does it matter THAT much? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.135 (talk • contribs) .

Yes, I called you an idiot. I feel that's entirely justified after dealing with your POV (and poorly written) edit to this article over and over again. I guess I'm the sad, lonely individual with nothing better to do than repeatedly vandalise Wikipedia articles, right? :) For the record, it's silicone, not silicon. Also, sign your posts. f(x)=ax2+bx+c 00:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't my edit. So your idiot jibe is misdirected. And you are right it is silicone, the choice of the talentless.

Hey dude you're being jumped by a cousin of Prince and a porn queen...WAY TO GO! WHo is this silcone valley anyway? Looks like a shallow gene.

[edit] Italian origins

I don't believe it, but I read she can have italian origins...

  • Probably be helpful if you mentioned where you read that. Static Universe 00:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I dont know any italians with 44DD breast implants!
      • Carmen Russo, Gina Lollobrigida and so on...

[edit] Quote

The quote seems to be false. Please remove it.

[edit] Deleted Non-POV

I deleted the following: Hear her talented music stylings here: http://dump.com/rvrte/ This isn't a promotional website for Jordan or anybody else. Andacar 02:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh and Jewish??

Is it correct to call her Welsh? She doesn't sound Welsh and she didn't grow up in Wales, and her mother is English. Also as a Jewish person, I'm a bit unhappy that she has Jewish roots (asuming that this is correct??). She isn't a good advert for people of Jewish desent.

Not all Jewish people can be doctors, scientists or writers. There are hundreds of thousands in the Uk alone after all. I'd never heard it before, but if her mum's mum was Jewish she certainly counts as such.--MartinUK 12:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Agree with MartinUK here (yes, I'm aware that this part of the discussion has been dead for a long time) - frankly, whether you or me for that matter are unhappy with the fact that she is of Jewish descent, is irrelevant - if it can be sourced that Price's maternal grandmother was Jewish, then Price is a Jew by the Halacha, like it or not. I am ashamed to share my Jewish heritage, of which I am indeed proud, with people like Baruch Goldstein or Meir Kahane or Meyer Lansky (OK, all three are dead) or, to take living examples, Avigdor Lieberman or Yigal Amir. Those people are worse "role models" than Price, whose only "crime" is the marketing of her body...Not exactly an offense, nor anything a person should be ashamed of. Yet, all of the people I mentioned above were or are Jews, and it can be sourced, and thus should in any case be included in a biography entry in an encyclopedia. We ourselves (i.e. us Jews) should stop idolizing and exalting ourselves...it's not a trait of character which suits any nation. Vargher (talk) 19:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wizzards Sleeve

'Although she was already a well-established model, with frequent appearances on Page 3 and in men's lifestyle magazines such as Horse And Hound and Wizzards Sleeve to her credit,'

Has anyone ever read a copy of 'Wizzards Sleeve', and if so, could you tell me where I can buy it?FlubClub 16:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rv of "orgy" note

The Sun's not a reliable source, though for something like this it might be acceptable. However, this doesn't seem like the sort of thing that needs to go into the article in the first place; this is not a list of all gossip about and by Jordan, it's an encyclopedic article about her. Mike Christie (talk) 10:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Picture Needed

Surely you can find a better picture of her than THAT! She looks terrible there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.234.229 (talk) 12:20, May 28, 2007

I think this picture of Katie would be good on the article. Could someone maybe upload it? I always get the Summary and License wrong. LOL
GMctalk 15:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Since that image is not free content it can not replace the current image. See Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Garion96 (talk) 14:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New baby born

Their new baby was born today 29th June 2007 at 8.49 am weighting 6lbs 13oz, born by c-section, please update page. 81.156.80.180 10:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quality

This article needs a serious re-write. The language is poor and doesn't seem impartial. Also, I hate to focus on her breasts, but seriously, are we supposed to believe that they're only "D" implants? Someone needs to do some more research, because she's obviously had multiple surgeries. Knjb 04:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Books and Published Works section contradict

The article has both a section labeled Books and one labeled Published works but the same to have different information in each one. Do they both need to be there? Which one is right? Unfortunately, I know nothing about the woman who is the subject of the article, so I don't know how to merge the content. Andrew.langmead 02:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What about the sex tape that's circulating?

Rumor has it she let it out herself, a la paris hilton, to up her sex profile. Why is all that being expurgated by wikipedians? 84.254.51.97 01:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking in the revision history, I can't see anyone expurgating anything about this. If they are, I would imagine it's because we have to be firm about high quality references for material added to biographies of living persons (see WP:BLP). We cannot publish unsubstantiated rumours. — Matt Eason (Talk • Contribs) 11:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Video of said tape is here [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.68.176 (talk) 06:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heather Mills

What did Jordan say about her? - 91.106.54.221 11:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC) Katie price Is my idol i want too bee like eher when im older A Glamour Hold!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.168.110 (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

She has had more than one implant, there is only mention of one in here, is this a fault? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.253.84.11 (talk) 18:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Natural Breasts: NO" ??

1. I'm not British and have never heard of this person before today. 2. I have not been able to find any models' articles to compare this to. But, nonetheless, I think that the profile on the right side of the article should not say "Natural Breasts: no". Is that normal? Having the information in the article's body would seem to be preferable. Why is it displayed so prominently? I don't know if that is the kind of info that is meant to go in that space. Denis Diderot II (talk) 06:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it's a strange think to have in an infobox. I think it turns Wikipedia into a tabloid. You need to discuss it on Template_talk:Female_adult_bio as it's a template issue. -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 14:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I've changed the template to {{Infobox Model}}, which is more appropriate. DWaterson (talk) 18:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name (2008)

The old discussions about her name are from ~2005/2006. With the Andre surname now being taken on after the renewal of the couple's marriage vows, the article's title deserves some more discussion. I would like it to be moved to something that is more standard. This article and that of Jordan (Pamela Rooke) are the only ones that I know of that have the name scheme of stage name (legal name). Every other bio article, that I know of, that needs to be disambiguated uses name (profession). I can see why that's not an option here since there are three models listed at Jordan (disambiguation). So, I'd like to know from people who follow this woman's career more than I do (which is not at all) what name she goes by and what the article should be titled. Should the "Jordan" be dropped entirely? Should the article be moved to Katie Andre? Can we get some input? Dismas|(talk) 14:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm inclined to think that Katie Price is now the best location for this article, with appropriate redirects. That seems to be the name she now prefers. DWaterson (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Does she ? Any change needs to be evidence backed in accordance with WP policy/guidelines. She spoke about the issue in her biography. -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 08:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)