Talk:Jopará

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N0thingness added a lot of material that was something of a mess, and which I've moved to User talk:N0thingness/Jopara-temp; interested editors might try to improve this, or draw upon it to expand the stub. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:33, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

  • It wasn't that much of a mess, it only needed a little wikifying. I added some of N0thingness's content and added a little of my own. Zafiroblue05 03:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The actual term should be written Jopara (without the acute accent) according to ortography rules in guarani.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpaniagualaconich (talk • contribs)
Because the word is used by both Spanish and Guarani speakers, and in both Spanish and Guarani contexts, I think either form - with or without the accent - could be used. And because most English-speakers would encounter Spanish mroe than Guarani, I think it's better as is. zafiroblue05 | Talk 00:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV tag and article clarity

Without sufficient references for the claims made in this article about the perceptions of Jopará/Guaraní, those claims are purely opinion. Also, the distinction between Jopará and Guaraní is somewhat muddled, especially because the article spends more time discussing Guaraní than Jopará. - IstvanWolf 04:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  • The article is, as you say, unsourced. But as to the distinction between jopará and Guaraní, I think it's pretty clear: jopará is a mix of Guarani and Spanish; that is, it's not really a separate language on its own. So when the article seems to be discussing Guaraní (and Spanish) instead of jopará - well, that is jopará. zafiroblue05 | Talk 16:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronounciation of the name

How is this word - Jopara - pronounced by its "native" speakers, especially the first letter/sound? Considering that Guarani lacks voiceless velar fricative. --Koryakov Yuri 21:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The important thing here is to get people to understand the difference between "pure" guarani and what people actually speak. If nothing else a few examples would be of immense help to illustrate this difference.Ara'i pora (talk) 05:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)