User talk:Jonto

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[edit] Zealotry

You ought to get in touch with User: 64.109.253.204. This anonymous user has very strong opinions about my edits.

Lapsed Pacifist 21:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cut and paste moves

As regards Irish Republican Army:

Please do not attempt to move pages by cutting and pasting content. This forks the edit histories of pages, thus breaking the edit attribution needed under the GFDL, not to mention making it harder to see how the article evolved generally.

Use the "move" tab above the article to move the entire article (including edit history) to a new location.

For the time being I have restored the original content at Irish Republican Army. Should you wish to move it to the location you previously chose, I can delete the pasted article for you first (pages can only be moved to an "empty" location).

zoney ♣ talk 14:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I have deleted Irish Republican Army (1916-1919), so should you wish, you can move the Irish Republican Army page there (although I would suggest putting a notice on talk page and waiting a few days to see what others think). zoney ♣ talk 14:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I was not aware I could do that.Jonto 13:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ulster Banner

I'm still somewhat unhappy about this. How widespread is the term "Ulster Banner" for the Northern Ireland flag? It's certainly a POV term for a flag associated with (note, not representing) the six counties only, and not all of Ulster. I would be prepared to accept that it is termed the Ulster Banner if there are sources, but I'm still not sure it's proper to refer to it as such (and certainly without explaining the problem with the term) here on Wikipedia.

zoney ♣ talk 17:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

As said, "Ulster banner" is the flag's official name, as sourced from the Flags of the World site on that page. From experience the term is not used that often - the most common term being "Ulster Flag", so I don't see how removing it is going to make any difference. From the article's title of "Flag of Northern Ireland, so I don't think you can get any clearer than that. I think it is also explained pretty well.
I also think it is a matter of debate as to whether "Ulster" in an article on NI is a "POV" term as you put it (this is actually your POV!!). This is a very complex issue because the word is used in many contexts - cultural, political, geographical, historical, sporting, as an identity, and often mainly because "Ulster" is 2 syllables and "Northern Ireland" is 4 syllables! Depending on your POV and context Ulster has 9 counties, 6 counties, or perhaps most significantly and accurately is a cultural region with no exact boundary. There is a distinct Ulster/Ulster-Scot identity in NI (and also in some areas in the Republic, mainly Donegal where many people have an almost identical accent and a close relationship to those in NI), of which the existence of Northern Ireland plays a crucial role in upholding this identity. Therefore, to supress such information is actually causing offence to many Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen. I think this issue of Ulster identity and the cultural region does not seem to be mentioned on wikipedia, and the Ulster article actually needs some work to bring it up to scratch.Jonto 23:54, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


You may want to take a glance at Irish Republican Army. A user wants to blur the line between the Old IRA and later IRAs and is annoyed that, as a professional historian, I am trying to point out the fact that post 1922 IRAs did not have the same legitimacy in the public's eyes as the IRA of the Anglo-Irish War. FearÉIREANNImage:Ireland coa.png\(caint) 21:35, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question for you...

Hey Jonto, we discussed previously on the Derry/Londonderry vote. It's a bit naughty of me but I'm assuming where you are coming from politically and geographically and as such I was hoping you would have some knowledge of the breaking of the boom in "Stroke_City". I was hoping to add something to the article on River Foyle. A lifetime ago I did a project at school using materials from the Linenhall library, but I'm now half way round the world and don't really know where to start... I added the suicide info on the Foyle at that article, but would dearly love to add more information to the article to balance it out a bit. Interested? BTW if you are in the north it would be good to get a vandalised sign photo for the stroke city article... SeanMack 12:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Northern Ireland

Fair enough, I was reverting other vandalism by that user and I may have been a bit hasty. Demiurge 19:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

No problemo. Jonto 19:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Scouts UK Counties

I see you have added the Flag again. User:The Tom removed it because it might be seen as POV and argumentative. I've no fixed views. I just wish someone would add the English Scout Counties or, as I would prefer,, change the whole thing to a more workable number of regions - workable in terms of having articles on Scouting for each link. Let us see if it stays. If it gets reverted again, I will suggest to the WikiProject Scouting that all flags be removed from the template. --Bduke 21:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User The_Tom removed the image from many templates, despite not fully understanding al the issues at hand - I simply restored to all.
I have no problems with you removing all the flags from this particular template.Jonto 22:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NI

Hi Jonto. Left a message for you on my talk page. Cheers. --Mal 20:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ulster

Good call on your revert for the Ulster disambig page. The previous edit was POV. "Often called" is fine in my books. --Mal 00:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Awww poor little 'Jonto' has been rumbled. Dismiss us as 'Irish Republicans'? I'm sure as hell Irish - prove that I'm a 'Republican'.. Tír Eoghain abú

[edit] Your notes

Thanks for your notes, had I been awake when you posted them I probably would have restored some or all of your posts. I'd still advise you to tone down your criticism of Jtdirl unless you want to take formal steps against him, viz. RfC, RfAr. That kind of "ROUGE ADMIN!!!" stuff regardless of Truth or not just turns people off. Regards, - FrancisTyers · 11:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belfast WikiProject

Seeing your reply on the Northern Ireland talk page reminded me that you're from Belfast, aren't you? Anyway - here's a standard circular I've been sending to people who have listed themselves as Northern Irish Wikipedians, or people who have made decent contributions to Belfast-related articles:

As you have contributed to an article relating to Belfast, I hope you could take some time to read this page about our new project: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Belfast.

Thanks. --Mal 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ulster flag

I've corrected the hand in Image:Flag of Ulster.svg, please let me know if there's something else that need to be fixed. Conscious 15:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey,

You might want to look at talk:Prime minister. The page was moved to the illiterate form Prime minister by a vote of 3 people. A new RM is taking place but the illiterates seem to be queuing to endorse such a crazy move. Feel free to contribute to the debate. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 03:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Ireland mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee. It doesn't list you as a party, but you may wish to add yourself. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Northern Ireland and, if you wish, add you name and indicate that you agree to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Irish Border"

Hi, I have reverted your edit, as you introduced material about the UK's own internal land frontiers that are not relevant. The wording: "The only land frontier between Ireland and the United Kingdom" is correct. All the best, bigpad 15:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: flags

I will look into the matter, and history of the argument tommorow evening. For now, I will leave the page protected to give everybody involved time to calm down. Joe D (t) 23:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NPA

I find yet again you are engaging in personal attacks against other editors, "a lot of editors who are blatantly distorting articles with a pro-Irish Republican PoV ino many articles keep coming running to your talk page",[1] as it is perfectly obvious who you are referring to. So far you have received 3 blocks for personal attacks. If you persist in this, you are going to get blocked again. I suggest you refrain from negative comments about other editors. Tyrenius 07:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Whilst I agree that in the past I have made personal attacks towards users that have been involved in disruptive vandalism, the quote you gave is criticising the disruptive actions of certain users, in no way breaches WP:NPA, and I would happily repeat the commment above. Jonto 19:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flags

I'am not concerned about your removal of the Tricolour, but can you explain the rest of your edit where you are removing referenced material and the reference as well, this could be regarded as vandalism, so I am asking you in good faith to restore this information.--padraig3uk

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:User Earth2

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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:User United Kingdom2

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If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Ireland

Hi,

I'd like to take the opportunity to advise you on two matters which, being a member or former member of the Northern Ireland WikiProject or it's sister project on Belfast, you might be interested in the following submission about a recent terrorist attack Wikipedia:Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board#News.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to ask for your help in reviving the Northern Ireland WikiProject. Given that there are only a small number of Wikipedians from Northern Ireland or interested specifically in the region, the project needs all the help it can get.

Cheers, --Setanta747 (talk) 13:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)