User talk:Jonel/Archive 3

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This page is an archive of the User talk:Jonel page for the months April-October 2006. Please add any new discussion to the current page. See also: User talk:Jonel/Archive 1 for 2004-2005 User talk:Jonel/Archive 2 for January-March 2006 User talk:Jonel/Archive 3 for April-October 2006 User talk:Jonel/Archive 4 for November 2006-June 2007

[edit] Tawkerbot2

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[edit] Rowers at the 1896 Summer Olympics

Hi Jonel. Whoops, I didn't realize that. Have to delete it sometime.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 05:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Athletics at the 1908 Summer Olympics - Men's marathon

Thanks for fixing the flags at Athletics at the 1908 Summer Olympics - Men's marathon. Now the next time I run across the problem I'll know how to fix it myself. If this is a problem requiring extensive work let me know and I'll pitch in. John FitzGerald 17:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Articles for deletion/Albert Baumann

All done. :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 00:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Josefa Idem

Hi! I'm trying to get four-time Olympic medalist Josefa Idem fetured in Did you know. Please feel free to improve the article, especially the preamble. Thanks, Punkmorten 13:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't read Italian, but the image description does look somewhat dubious. Punkmorten 22:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Friendlies image

I appologize for the mixup. I must have accidentally tagged it with GDFL-self. I in no way am trying to be the owner of the image. See my comments on the said page for additional info. → J@red  21:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

• {{User Saints WikiProject}}

I also invite you to join the discussion on prayers and infoboxes here: Prayers_are_NPOV.

Thanks! --evrik 18:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken redirect

Hello. A couple of weeks ago, you created the article "Evangelos Gerakaris", the content of which is "#REDIRECT [[Evangelos Gerakaris]]". (You'd be surprised how often this happens.) I've tried but failed to find the article to which you meant to redirect this title. Can you fix this redirect? --Russ Blau (talk) 13:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cingular Wireless

Wikipedia is meant to be a factual encyclopedia. Please do not edit pages with personal bias. In specific, you slammed a 3rd party (Telephia) and used a controversial newspaper article (Boston Globe) as your only source with no other fact.

While Cingular has launched a controversial advertisement, the company it cites (Telephia) freely sells their drive testing results to absolutely anyone. They will not disclose information of a product they are attempting to turn a profit on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cingular hitman (talk • contribs) .

I'm sorry, but I just find it amusing that you register the name "User:Cingular hitman", remove cited information from the Cingular Wireless article and mark the edit minor, and accuse me of slander in the edit summary. I added a fact with a reference, incidentally the first reference in the article. If you think that is "slamm[ing] a 3rd party," I'm afraid there's not much I can do for you.

I've restored the information you deleted and added more information, with a second reference. Please note that removing paragraphs, especially ones with citations, is not a "minor edit" and do not mark any such removals that way in the future. -- Jonel | Speak 23:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting in Project???

I'm see you wrote a lot of badminton player articles. Similar to what proposed project i lauched. If you what to join, please look a this proposal and have a consideration. Thank you Aleenf1 08:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brackets templates.

Hey! Great job on the bracket templates! I was just trying to see if I could help, so I was looking at the 2004 tennis games and saw that there were two places that had rounds of 64-- making it a 6 round bracket. I was wondering if you had the time and it's not too hard if you could create the Template:6RoundBracket template. Thanks and good work. → J@red  03:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! 6 round bracket, eh... I've found the 5 round one typically pushes the limits of screen width, and had pretty much been planning to use two 5-rounds and a separate "final" matchup to do rounds of 64. I'll see what I can do about a 6-rounder though. -- Jonel | Speak 00:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Henry M. Jackson

Can I get a second set of eyes to look at a revert war in the Henry M Jackson article? I think I'm being reasonable, but the other editor doesn't agree. -- FRCP11 21:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Gave up long ago on trying to talk sense to 8bitJake (talk · contribs). State politics articles are pretty much on my "avoid" list; the Olympics is so much less stressful a topic ;). Anyway, looks to me like the information that he keeps deleting is relevant, well-cited, and informative. Looks like there's plenty of support for the inclusion on the talk page. I'll restore it. -- Jonel | Speak 23:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 Summer Olympics

I find it incredible that this person is clearly trying to water down, delete, and qualify information on groups that oppose the Chinese government. He has basically just been ramming his way through without actually making any sensical discussion. Is there something I'm missing here? Perhaps you can help. 72.65.68.229 06:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic-rings.png removed from your user page

joturner 16:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Long talk page

Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 00:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the thought

Kudos for calling out the malicious comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Gregoire. Dude needs a valium! I do appreciate your sticking up for civility! -- The Editrix 05:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Goldblatt

He edits wikipedia as User:Sgoldblatt. Happy editing, Blnguyen | rant-line 04:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Re:Copyright problems with Image:Olympic Torch award.png

Just delete it for now, I guess. I have to find another image. I know it is copyrighted (the torch part). The fire I made from my own pictures. → JARED ^(t)  12:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of the olympic rings from pages.

Hey, Jonel. I see you have been removing this image from many pages. I think that you've gone too far on the following pages, though: Template:Olympic games medal count and Portal:Olympics. The former is placed and only viewed on main pages, which is a perfectly fine place to put fair use images. Why, then, is it wrong to have this image on the template that is on an encyclopedic page? The latter is also encyclopedic, and contains information that is supplemented by the image. Could you lead me to the place where it says fair use images can only be put on main space pages? Thanks. I know you mean well. → JARED ^(t)  20:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Fair_use#Policy, #9. Fair use images should be used only in the article namespace. Used outside article space, they are often enough not covered under the fair use doctrine. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages. -- Jonel | Speak 21:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, whatever. I think that's kind of a dense rule, but I'm not willing to fight it. → JARED ^(t)  21:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unified Team Flag

Hey, I noticed that we've both been removing Olympic Rings images all over, and so I was wondering what you thought about using Image:Flag of the Olympic Movement.svg as the 20px flag in pages like this. I feel that since the IOC let this entity use the Olympic Rings, then it should be free in this sense, i.e. only when the Rings are representing the flag that represented the Unified Team. But I don't know enough about copyright issues to make this decision. What do you think? tiZom_(2¢) 03:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I know very little about copyright except what I see on Wikipedia pages (which, as we know, shouldn't be considered reliable sources). I've been acting to implement WP policy without really paying any attention to what's legally allowable (which, as far as I can tell, is quite a bit more than our policy provides for due to the free-content principle). In this case, my guess would be that the use we make of the Rings for EUN representation is under the terms of a (fairly minimally) restrictive license (the same license by which the EUN team itself used the image on its flag) rather than by the image being free. Then again, I'm not one of the nine people who understand the copyright law of my own country, much less the rest of the world, so... -- Jonel | Speak 23:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Running Man Barnstar
		For your monumental efforts in creating coverage on all facets of the modern olympics.Blnguyen

[edit] Image Copyright problems

I have put Delete recommendations for all picture issues listed. I realize I am still new to Wikipedia so I understand that I have a lot of problems. For all future endeavours until I am comfortable with this, I will put links to pictures of the people in all future links. I have also asked Sue Anne for help in furute endeavours on this as well. Chris 13:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports Olympics

Would love any feedback you have on the discussion I just started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports Olympics regarding recent changes made to many of the Country at xx Olympic pages. Sue Anne 19:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beaudoin

Hi! According to http://olympic.w.interia.pl/ they seem to be one person. I got the rest of the full names from there also. This is one of the best olympics statistics page I've seen.Gh 11:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reconsider flagIOC template?

Hi Jonel. Thought you might be interested to know that I have re-worked the flagIOC template so that you can use an alternate flag image. For example {{FlagIOC|AUS|1900 Summer|flag=Flag of the United Kingdom.svg}} yields Australia. Without the named image parameter, the usage is even simpler: {{FlagIOC|AUS|2004 Summer}} yields Australia. Andrwsc 04:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic sports

Hi Jonel, I see you have entered the fray in Olympic sports. As you've probably noticed, this article is under heavy edit action from User:Roitr/sockpuppeter. Demonstration sport and 2010 Winter Olympics are also experiencing some "collateral damage". I have been trying to address his edits as diplomatically as I can, and in fact, I think the article has been improved a lot in the past week or so as a result, but he/she still insists on some awful edits, and of course, introduction of unsourced material, or worse, material that contradicts official sources. I appreciate any help you can offer! Andrwsc 16:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christopher Maude Chavasse DYK

On 25 July 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Christopher Maude Chavasse, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for the contribution! -- Samir धर्म 00:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Olympic flags

Jamaica got its current flag in 1962. Do you know which flag they used before that time ? Punkmorten 11:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure. Commons has two (slightly different) images purporting to be of pre-Federation Jamaican flags ([1] and [2]). My guess would be the second of those, as the coat of arms is more similar to Image:Jamaica coa. The 1952 and 1956 Official Reports include pictures of teams behind their flags in the opening ceremony; neither picture of Jamaica's flag is that helpful, but the 1956 one appears to support a Blue Ensign defaced with a coat of arms. -- Jonel | Speak 16:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I was at work. The first image —Image:Flag of Jamaica 1906-1957.gif — is the flag that Jamaica used between 1906 and 1957. However, after 1957, Jamaica changed the pattern and added a yellow emblem to the coat of arms— Image:Colonial_Jamaican_flag.gif. In other words, the latter flag is the one used just before independence. Hope that helps. Orane (talk • cont.) 22:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Axel Andersson

I prodded this article, but feel free to move it if he did anything else of note in athletics. Catchpole 07:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, he's on AfD, I'll see if anyone shares my view. Catchpole 12:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Athlete categorisation

Hi, good work on filling in the gaps in athlete biographical articles, just one small thing: when categorising biographical articles, please use Category:Year of birth missing for those articles where the birth year could potentially be known. Category:Year of birth unknown is for those articles where the birth year is obscured by bad records or the sands of time, or is disputed by historians and will never be known. Cheers, and happy editing! Jdcooper 17:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, hadn't even realized there were two separate categories (I only knew of the "missing" one). I must have accidentally put "unknown", saw a blue cat-link, and not thought anything more of it. Think they're all fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up! -- Jonel | Speak 19:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aquatics v. Swimming/Schronized Swimming/Waterpolo/Diving

Hey Jonel,

I was recently doing some edits to the 2008 summer page and I was going through the sports when I realized that the only sport that isn't listed is Aquatics, rather, its disciplines are listed. I've noticed this all along but havn't really made anything of it until now. It seems that the 4 disciplines are not grouped together into one page, like Volleyball at the 2004 Summer Olympics (Beach and indoor). Instead, they have their own pages. Why is this? Is this just something that we have just gone along with and never changed? If it has to do with the size of the page, obviously Athletics would be just as big if not bigger. And that's what subpages are for anyway.

So what do you think? I know you've been on the project longer than I have so I figured I'd ask you, the veteran of the Olympic WP pages! I think that they should be merged into one page, [[Aquatics at the ____ Olympics]], so that every sport is consistant. From there, we can have more subpages, but I think that a consistancy would be nice. With a mix, it just doesn't seem right. Anyway, respond when you can. Thanks. → JARED ^(t)  14:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jared. The mixed treatment of sports and disciplines is essentially a historical relic; it's simply the way things have been done and no one has made the effort to change it. Consistency would be good, but with the wonderful things called "redirects" the page location is not a big priority for me. If you want to undertake changing things, please go ahead. My preference would be to have pages for each discipline (that is, breaking out the two disciplines of "Volleyball" and "Beach volleyball" from the single page) rather than agglomerating. An "Aquatics at the xxxx Summer Olympics" page would be more of a disambiguation page than anything else, pointing to the various pages on disciplines. The same would be true for Canoe/Kayak, Gymnastics, Volleyball, etc. But again, my priorities are 1) people can find what they're looking for; 2) consistency; 3) disciplines rather than sports. #1 is satisfied with the current arrangement, beyond that I care less. -- Jonel | Speak 15:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I definitely think that there should be pages for each discipline, but I think the main pages should be the actual sport that is falls under. So for now, I'll set up the 2008 page so that Aquatics is just a brief "This is what's happening under the sport of aquatics" and just go right into subpages for each. That way it'll be consistant, but still have what has been there for a while. Then maybe I'll go into existing pages and see what I can do. → JARED ^(t)  15:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

Jonel, you did a fantastic job of getting the lead section of USA PATRIOT Act, Title II up to scratch. I was wondering if you could assist me again? I have completed the summarisation of USA PATRIOT Act, Title III, USA PATRIOT Act, Title IV and USA PATRIOT Act, Title V, but I'm none too good at getting the lead sections sorted out. Could you assist me here? - Ta bu shi da yu 18:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Jonel, fantastic work!!!!! That's exactly what I was looking for, but found it too hard to do (or rather, I was too busy to do it...). You have my undying gratitude for doing this :-) I don't suppose you would be able to summarise Title II's American Bar Association section by any chance? I wrote about it, but probably far too much and it tends to dominate the article, leading to NPOV concerns. Ta bu shi da yu 08:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1896 olympics map

arggh that was a stupid mistake i made, thanks for telling me about it, its fixed now --Astrokey44 05:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Q: Why has UK used the name "Great Britain"?

Hi, I've seen your edit of Great Britain and Northern Ireland at the Summer Olympics and came here. I have a question about Great Britain at the Olympic Games.

Why has the United Kingdom not used the abbreviation "United Kingdom" but "Great Britain" (more officially, "Great Britain and (Northern) Ireland") at the Olympics? --yes0song 17:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! The closest thing I've been able to find for a reason for the use of "Great Britain" rather than "United Kingdom" is a footnote in the 1908 Official Report referencing an agreement between the constituent countries' athletic associations. The footnote simply states that the agreement resulted in the official name of the team would be the "Great Britain and Ireland" team without saying why "United Kingdom" wasn't acceptable. The report then goes on to use "United Kingdom" almost exclusively to refer to the team!

You might try asking someone with more knowledge of early 20th-century British politics--perhaps User:John Kenney? -- Jonel | Speak 12:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much :D —韓斌/Yes0song (談笑 筆跡 다지모 한자위키 ^wiki_blog) 14:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2004 Olympic marathon

Hey, thanks for catching the cut-and-paste move from Men's marathon event at the 2004 Summer Olympics. The fix is very much appreciated. -- Jonel | Speak 02:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem! Glad to help. I recall there being a template to scold the users about copypaste moves, but I can't seem to find it. I think it said something about the GFDL, and then "all pages MUST contain edits histories". Do you know if it? —Khoikhoi 02:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's the fairly new {{cutpastemove}}, but it doesn't mention the GFDL and really isn't much of a template. If there is such a template, I would expect to see it at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace - you could try asking there. -- Jonel | Speak 02:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I found Template:Moving pages, but I think what I originally saw wasn't even a template. Thanks anyways. BTW, could you help by checking out my entry at WP:RM? (Magyars --> Hungarian people) It's in the backlog as well. —Khoikhoi 02:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I guess you're not an admin. Never mind. —Khoikhoi 02:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope, not an admin. Good luck with the move request, though. I added the {{Moving pages}} template to the big grid of test templates, so at the very least I'll be able to find it again! -- Jonel | Speak 03:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) See you around. —Khoikhoi 03:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] prod tag on DeConcini, McDonald, Yetwin and Lacy

Thank you for the notice on the prod tag. My apologies. I was confusing this with the AfD tag. You were one of two who let me know. Yipes! :) --EarthPerson 02:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aquatics at the 2008 Summer Olympics

Hi Jonel, just a heads up that I saw your discussion with Jared about sports vs. disciplines, and I've responded on User talk:JP06035. Andrwsc 03:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Competitor country template

Hi Jonel, as the creator of the {{MedalTop}} family of templates, I would like your opinion on adding the country of competition to the medal table (as per this discussion). I have created a test version at User:Mattbr30/Sandbox if you would like to have a look, and I would be greatful if you could let me know what you think. Thanks, mattbr³⁰ 09:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts on the descriptions of the olympic banners

Hi. I was looking through some recent edits on the olympic pages and I noticed that you reverted all the descriptions of the olympic banners of many of the winter olympic pages. Just curious as to why. No, I'm not the original person who put up the edits, nor am I talking on his behalf. I kinda like what the person did... giving a description of what the banners represents. I noticed that those descritions made the box much wider than necessary, but a few breaks in the description could solve that. Just would like your reasoning. Thanks. Perakhantu 05:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've gotten a response from Sue Anne saying that those deleted descritions were copyright violations. I don't see how they are copyrighted to begin with. They are just descriptions and after looking at the official IOC page, there is nothing stating that theose descriptions ARE copyrighted. Now, I would certainly agree that it is plagiarism for basically copy/pasting the words in, but wouldn't that be solved if the credit was given to the IOC? Again, just curious. Perakhantu 05:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sue Anne is correct. Even if a website doesn't explicitly note that the material on it is copyrighted, the material on it is generally still protected by copyright law. It would be wonderful if someone would write good descriptions for the emblems without violating the IOC's copyright, but copying and pasting text from the IOC website is not acceptable for Wikipedia. Hope this helps you understand why I reverted them all. -- Jonel | Speak 13:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What can I do for the olympic emblems?

Sorry- I didn't know thew were copywrited. Is there anything I can do for a summary of what the olympic emblems mean?

[edit] Colonial governors

You originally created the List of colonial governors in YYYY series back in 2004. In the last two years they haven't expanded beyond Portugal and therefore aren't really doing any good. I noticed because one of the articles has been listed on cleanup since August of last year. I'm of the mind to prod them all, but wanted to know if there was a real possibility that these might get expanded in the near future. Best, Mackensen (talk) 01:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. If I remember correctly (and this was a while ago, so, I'm not quite sure), the colonial governors series was created due to fighting over the title of the state leaders series, mostly to have a place to put things that had been part of that series under the previous title but no longer fit. Regardless, the colonial governors ones haven't gotten much attention; state leaders and religious leaders always drew more interest (certainly from editors, I can only assume from readers as well). What time I myself spend on Wikipedia nowadays is mostly spent on Olympics coverage. I don't plan on expanding the colonial governors anytime soon, and since it appears that the majority of them haven't been touched since I created them, I would guess no one else is likely to expand them either. You might try dropping a line at the relevant WikiProject (Wikipedia:WikiProject Leaders by year), but since the project is inactive, I'd say go ahead with the prodding. -- Jonel | Speak 02:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] André de Schonen

Hi Jonel ! I saw you chaged my contribution for the nationality of André de Schonen in the Olympics, stating he was German. I don't know what your source is, but I can assure he was French as he was my great grand father. Thank you :)

Haaken

Hi Haaken! My source is the Mallon book listed in the references section of the Shooting at the 1900 Summer Olympics and Fencing at the 1900 Summer Olympics pages. I did a bit of poking around a couple other Olympics listings, and they seem to be mixed on his nationality. I think it's quite possible Mallon got this one wrong, so feel free to change it back. It would be great if you could list a source, though. Happy editing! -- Jonel | Speak 23:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] C. Mark Greene

Please see this talk page for discussion about turning the C. Mark Greene article and the articles for the other losing primary challengers from the WA senate race into redirects or submitting for WP:AFD. And, of course, make your opinion known on the topic on that page as well. --Bobblehead 17:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1896 Oooh baby

Heh! That specific vandal has been over that photo before with a similar caption. Made me laugh, but still had to go....  ;) Andrwsc 21:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I see what happened now. An anon IP had removed it already and I put it back! I misread the diffs, I guess!! Andrwsc 21:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)