Talk:Jonathan Bonnitcha

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[edit] Deletion?

In light of former results and failure to even come close to qualifying for the Olympic games, this article should be proposed for deletion. 203.129.53.87 (talk) 05:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah well. That's your opinion. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

He's not even an Olympian, and has never been selected to represent Australia. The regattas at which he has have been open-entry. He is not notable. User:Anonymous 17 May 2008 203.129.53.87 (talk)

I could have been more informative; perhaps I should be:
  • Bonnitcha's notability was debated in July 2007 - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Bonnitcha - it was concluded that his sporting achievements were notable.
  • In light of former results and failure to even come close to qualifying for the Olympic games, this article should be proposed for deletion. - That sentence is a non-sequiter. They are not the sporting achievements for which he is notable.
  • He's not even an Olympian, - So what? You don't have to be an olympian to be notable. (c.f. AFL)
  • and has never been selected to represent Australia. - So what? (c.f. AFL)
  • The regattas at which he has have been open-entry. - "at which he has" what? Represented Australia? - So what?
  • He is not notable. - As I've already said, that's your opinion. The people discussing the matter at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Bonnitcha have a different opinion. (i.e. that he is notable.)
Pdfpdf (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Your revision makes no sense (please correct me if i'm wrong):

  • Bonnitcha's International Results are definitely not notable. Are you saying that if I go to an open-entry international regatta I would have a wikipedia page that would not be deleted?
  • You said in your revert that he is notable for other reasons than sailing - then perhaps this page could be edited to reflect that? The only other reason i see this page being there is because of a Rhodes scholarship.
  • Represented Australia? - So what? - Well he has never been selected to represent Australia. As said above, if this article is to be weighted so heavily to his sporting 'achievements', then those achievements should be reviewed - and obviously never qualifying the country for the Olympics, nor being selected for the Gold fleet is definitely no reason to have this article so heavily weighed to these 'achievements'. 11:15, 18 May 2008 124.176.115.186
His notability is stated in the article. viz:
Bonnitcha is a competitive windsurfer and is a blue in sailing. In 2001 and 2002 he was placed 4th and 3rd respectively at the World Sailing Championships in the 29er Class.[1][2] In 2003 he was a member of the national Olympic squad for windsurfing,[3] and in 2004 he was named in the Shadow Olympic windsurfing team.[3] In 2005 he came first in the Australian Sailing Championship (Mistral Class), and was ranked top in the Australian Olympic Class Windsurfing Rankings.[3][4]
Being more specific:
  • (In 2001 and 2002 he was placed 4th and 3rd respectively at the World Sailing Championships in the 29er Class.[5][2]) - notable and supported by independent reference.
  • (In 2003 he was a member of the national Olympic squad for windsurfing,[3]) - notable and supported by independent reference.
  • (and in 2004 he was named in the Shadow Olympic windsurfing team.[3]) - supported by independent reference; presumably, the fact that the independent reference noted it means, by definition, it's notable. (If you don't agree, take it up with the journalist, not me.)
  • (In 2005 he came first in the Australian Sailing Championship (Mistral Class),) - notable and supported by independent reference (at the end of the sentence).
  • and was ranked top in the Australian Olympic Class Windsurfing Rankings.[3][4]) - notable and supported by independent reference.
Pdfpdf (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
In response to your response:
Your revision makes no sense (please correct me if i'm wrong): - Again, this is your opinion. My revision makes perfect sense to me.
Bonnitcha's International Results are definitely not notable. - that's why I keep deleting them. If you believe they are NOT notable, why do you keep restoring them?
Are you saying that if I go to an open-entry international regatta I would have a wikipedia page that would not be deleted? - Didn't you read what I wrote? To save you having to scroll back, I said:
You said in your revert that he is notable for other reasons than sailing - That is not quite what I said. I said: "(He is NOT notable because of THESE results. (These results are not notable). He is notable for other results. (e.g. World Sailing Championships, Australian Sailing Championship, Windsurfing))"
then perhaps this page could be edited to reflect that? - It does. See above.
Well he has never ... - I don't understand the point you are trying to make. I am still of the opinion: "So what?"
Pdfpdf (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I have addressed your concerns twice. Unlike you, I'm really not very interested in this young man. As I said on the notable Rhodes Scholar talk page: He's a Rhodes Scholar. He's notable. Q.E.D.
At least two other passers-by agree with my conclusion. You seem to be the only one pushing your barrow.
I have other things to do. Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Please remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~).
Pdfpdf (talk) 09:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)