Talk:Jonas Brothers/Archive 1
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Picture?
Who took away the picture? It should be put back on. nobody cares about that fag69.219.160.227 20:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- It appears it has been deleted due to bad Fair use rationale. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
the page looks boring without picture the picture has a link, doest seem to be working we really need a picture, but the page is now protected!
New Album
They Have a New Album coming out on August 7th. I dont no what it is called thou. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ndrebel2011 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
It's called Jonas Brothers(also known as the jonas fags). I saw that somewhere, it said "And their new self-titled album comes out on August 7th."
And the album debuted at #5 on Billboard 200.
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I think you people are overreacting over one vandal. Not everyone likes this untalented "band". OfficerPhil 19:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- It was actually semi-protected due to multiple (at least 4) different IP vandals vandalizing the article over a period of a week or so. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 21:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
The question was peculiar anyway; what does it matter whether one likes the band (I'd never heard of them)? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
All I want to do is add that Nick Jonas has announced that he has type 1 diabetes. Gosh!Jonasgrl9 22:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
why does joe jonas have a link back to the same page, and nick jonas link to a slightly different page (the names are just different) ? this article really needs revising 24.96.12.41 15:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I am so sorry. I edited the page once, but they were all useful facts. The page seemed like it hadn't been edited in a while so I added a few new, true things. I'm sorry if I caused locking this up. JamaGirlBritt 20:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
where's the pic
I want the picture of the jonas brothers there and there isn't one. I am getting mad!!! I really want to see it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.74.47.117 (talk) 02:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC).
- Try a fan-site. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I posted a picture
But it's not showing up...it's a picture of them at an MTV Promo, it's from 2006
- You need to upload the picture to Wikipedia to post it on articles. Plus you have to provide a valid copyright permission to use it. Just posting an image you found somewhere is not enough. Thief12 17:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
J.O.N.A.S. Pilot
The article refers to this new show airing on Disney Channel. This is untrue. Many pilots have been shot and never seen the light of day - that is exactly what a Pilot is. For example the pilot Aly & AJ shot last year.
Disney Channel has not confirmed any of this info.
- Or this one. WAVY 10 19:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
However, their show is expected to premiere in 2008 if it goes through (which is expected.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.44.12.104 (talk • contribs) 00:48 20 August 2007 (UTC).
"J.O.N.A.S!" is to be on Disney Channel, set to premiere in 2008. It says so on IMDB.com. Unintended Disaster.Stands for Junior Operatives Networking As Spies
On 'Disney Channel's Happy U Year' when they were showing what to ecpect in 2008, they played a brief clip of it. It hat 'J.O.N.A.S!' across the bottom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicBoi94 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Why wouldn't they air it? They're incredibly popular right now. They have a new album, a new tour, two shows and Camp Rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.234.115 (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Christian Rock?
Judging from what I've been able to find, including them in that category seems even more dubious than keeping Aly & AJ, who have had at least one single that could justify their inclusion (Never Far Behind). In addition, I don't remember hearing ANYTHING about their faith. WAVY 10 19:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
They are! They said they are and Nick sang a song called Dear God so HA-HA! Twilight Sea 15:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)Twilight Sea
- "Dear God" could be an expression of any god-based religion or just an expression of exasperation. "They said they are" might not quite meet Wikipedia's standards for citing references. I won't get into "HA-HA". Ninquerinquar 19:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
They are,they pray before evey show you can watch them on youtube thank you very much Twilight Sea 04:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Twilight Sea
I don't see "Dear God" on either album so far, so unless you're talking about Nick singing the song at a concern, Twilight Sea, I hate to say that there's not much of a leg to stand on. WAVY 10 13:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
They have a CD that only Nick sang on it Twilight Sea 22:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)Twilight Sea
Which one is it (or is it on a yet-to-be-released CD)? WAVY 10 14:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
its nick first album wich eh did by himself. and they are christian they as she said pray before every show.
- Since a large percentage of Americans identify themselves as Christians, that is not sufficient to say any music they perform is Christian music. The music should talk to their faith in some way. A mention of Jesus or Christ somewhere would cement it. God is much too generic as mentioned above. I see none of this in the Jonas Brothers music.
Well they are christians because they wear purity rings which says they will be true to their faith and not have sex until they are married. like God tells us in the bible! Also in Popstar! magazine they asked them what they would save if their house was on fire and Nick said my gutiar and bible!!Twilight Sea 23:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Twilight Sea
- The fact that they are Christian is not the point being disputed. That is what they are. It does not follow that that is what their music is. How is their music different from Pop Rock or Punk Rock? Religious music of any type is music ABOUT the religion, not music just created by people who practice a religion. Or is there some definition being used that I am not aware of? --NrDg 22:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
They aren't Christian Rock. The possibility that they are Christian is another story. They are not Christian Rock and should be removed from the project. Twilight Sea is just a crazed Jonas fan. There is a Nicholas Jonas CD never released. It was done in the style of a young Michael Jackson. It flopped in the production stage. Maybe someone should find out what happened with their father and Wyckoff Assembly, the church they used to pastor...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.222.30 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I guess what they mean by christian rock is that some of the lyrics in their songs talk about christianity like in underdog they say the last will be first which is from the bible and in Time for me to fly they say "Time for me to open up my heart and knock on heavens door" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.72.125.29 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC).
- These could also be literary allusions to the bible. I still think this is too week to classify them as musicians who specialize in performing music about the Christian faith.--NrDg 16:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
We should not be attempting to make our own judgment on whether they're Christian Rock or not. If reliable sources identify them as such, that what we'll say. If not, we can't go making stuff up. Friday (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, find some published article identifying them as Christian Musicians and we can add it to the article with attribution. Our own judgment would be original research which we are not supposed to do. --NrDg 16:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- Just to add, I did a fast web search to find a reference. There are lots that say they perform Christian music but every website I found would not pass Wikipedia's rules for a being a reliable primary or secondary source. A user comment on some page is definitely unreliable. I also class religious sites as being unreliable as they have a self-interest in claiming them as one of their own. We need something like the Jonas Brothers themselves identifying themselves as performing Christian Music or an article in some major newspaper like USA Today making the same classification.--NrDg 16:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
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- After all, if we accept your thesis, NrDg, then logic forces us to extend this dubious (imo) "unreliability" to religious believers themselves. Also, we must include atheist or atheistic sites (i.e. Driveby Media sites). So where would it end?
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- This is a perfect example of what lawyers call the slippery slope. PainMan 22:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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- My point had nothing to do with beliefs, it was more with whether or not those sources of information are neutral players in all this in classifying the Jonas Brothers as performers of Christian Music. I agree we need to look at them on a case by case basis and if some reliable secondary source that happens to be a Christian publication classifies them as such we could probably use that. Most of the sites I saw in my quick scan would not meet that standard, but I have not done an exhaustive search. --NrDg 23:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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Nick who is married to jackie had an album that was going to be released, however, when the producers of the album heard all 3 of the brothers together, they dropped Nick's album and signed all 3 brothers right on the spot. Nick has many songs on that album that are about his faith and they were somehow leaked onto the internet, giving crazed fans something else to listen to. Among those songs are "Dear God" and "Don't Walk Away" which has to do with not walking away from your faith. While Nick's album was faith-based, the JONAS BROTHERS two albums are pop rock and don't discuss the issue of faith and Christianity.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.44.12.104 (talk • contribs) 00:48 20 August 2007 (UTC).
Christianity may be their faith but they are classified as pop/rock nevertheless. 67.184.223.232 23:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
The Jonas Brothers are Christian. They pray all of the time and they wear purity rings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tremorcat8 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This should clear this up. It's the best interview/article I've ever found on them. They discuss their faith and it's influence on their career and their music. Nick's first album was a Christian album, but it was either not released or had a limited release.
http://www.fye.com/Nicholas-Jonas-Front-Page_stcVVproductId2981774VVcatId455366VVviewprod.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexis92ocs2010 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- It clears it up. Major quote was "Kevin explains. 'With our music we're trying to be successful. It's definitely a pop record. It's a pop/rock record for the mainstream.'" --NrDg 18:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Also the album site lists Nick's first album as Genre: Gospel, not Christian. A nit but it seems to be important to the people who classify music. --NrDg 19:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Can we REnominate this for deletion?
Not only is this article substandard, but this band in no way deserves a wikipedia article. I hadn't even heard of them till I stumbled across this article.
This article needs to GO! It's an embarassment to the entire wikipedia project to have this kind of fan bilge.
My wife says, "What about New Kids on the Block?" Despite the extremely low quality of the music, lyrics and choreography, they were a legitimate economic phenomenon and sparked the last wave of Boy Bands (along with Menudo and New Edition; one could argue that "New Kids" was the "Elvization" of the previous two bands...).
These dudes simply aren't worthy. But what music since 1991 is???
PainMan 22:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Inclusion in Wikipedia is not an "Honor" for something that is "worthy", it whether or not is meets the Wikipedia inclusion standards for notability "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." I believe that this article meets that standard. We need to be careful that we don't let our own values of worth cloud our judgment too much. --NrDg 23:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree with NrDg. I would also like to point out that they're a fairly new band and there for won't have a large fan base. Also Disney has been doing a lot to promote the Jonas Brothers so just about any one who watches Disney will know about them. Alright this is the last thing I would like to say just because you don't know about them doesn't mean there not a good band or that they don't deserve a page on wikipedia.Smileyface 12 91 09:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree with Smileyface_12_91 and NrDg. Isn't wonderful to have new bands to be introduced to on Wikipedia - Wow. I believe the Jonas Brothers have a great sound and you should give them a chance. Disney approves of them as they did Nsync, but I don't recall them approving New Kids or New Edition. I am a few years older then PainMan and enjoy the music from the Jonas Brother as well as music from the 80's and 90's, Don't you think that the Jonas Brothers are targeting a younger age group then myself and possible you and your wife considering that the music you prefer is from before 1991.216.134.174.246 21:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
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- Smileyface - the very phrase "targeting a[n]...age group..." is the very problem. Art should not have to run the gauntlet of marketing hacks, focus groups, test audiences and everything else that Floyd mercilessly criticized in the famed song, "Have a Cigar" from Wish You Were Here; Rush did the same in "Superconductor" (from 1991's Presto).
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- There are a small number of songs post-1991 that I do enjoy, but not many. Living here in Vegas, we've had the opportunity to see the Eagles, U2, Rush, Stevie Nicks, Harry Connick, Jr, et al--all of whose shows were outstanding (none more so than Rush's three-hour extravaganza). Obvious there's always going to be an element of the generational divide in musical taste (my father can't stand groups that you and I, probably, consider to be the greatest in pop musical history).
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- The problem is that the groups and signers who dominate the charts today simply can't compare in the quality of lyrics, composition and musicianship. How can anyone seriously compare Stevie Nicks to La Spears?
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I used "worthy" in the sense that this "band" is not significant enough to warrant an article on them. I've never even heard one of their songs. I didn't mean it as a value judgement.
I stand by my opinion that this article should be deleted.
To quote Neil Peart:
Art as Expression not as market campaigns...
(The Disney Machine is the very embodiment of the mass production of music, movies, TV shows such as this band or High School Musical, etc.)
PainMan 05:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- If you want to revisit the decision see Wikipedia:Deletion review for details on how to challenge it. This article was nominated for deletion on February 22, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonas Brothers for details. In my opinion, notability is much greater now then it was in February. I strongly doubt there could be a persuasive argument made to delete the article now.--NrDg 14:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
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- I know a losing battle when I see one. I was being somewhat hyperbolic when I suggest a renomination for deletion.
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- However I will check the relevant article; I have no intention of challenging the original decision to keep.
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- I still don't think they warrant an article but I'm obviously in the minority on this one.
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- PainMan 05:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
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You are very much in the minority on this one. They have a No. 5 album right now plus the number 1 single on I-tunes as well as having a No. 31 song in the Top 40 from their first album that did much worse and just the Disney connection alone would warrant it. How about trying to delete one hit wonders which have had way less impact like Charlie Dore, Faith No More, Benny Mardones, The Korgis, and so on? Even in those cases it would be wrong to do so. 70.152.197.21 08:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
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- They so deserve a wiki page. They play their own instruments and write their own music together. They have a #6 music video on TRL for their hit "SOS" that the youngest one, Nick (age 14, mind you) wrote himself. In nine days, they sold out the Gramercy Theater in NYC three nights in a row, the Palace Theater in PA a few days later, and then the Palace Theater in Syracuse the night after.
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- They warrant an article. Just because they were born after all the bands you name, doesn't mean they can't be any good. Stop being so narrowminded, that's not what an encyclopedia is about. It's about getting the facts straight and giving as many facts as possible, about as many topics as possible. That's what Diderot tried to do in 1751, and I believe that that's what Wikipedia is trying to do as well.
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- Assume good faith; please don't call other editors "narrowminded." It fails to add any substance to a debate. A short summation of their successes to date would be a much more effective means of making your point. Snood199 (talk) 05:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
People need to stop adding stuff about how they hate the jonas brothers because NO ONE CARES!!!! Keep your opinoins to yourselves!!
WP:BLP violations
I have had to remove multiple statements from this article and this talk page multiple times as they were in violation of WP:BLP. Any statement about a living person needs a source, especially possibly controversial ones. Continued WP:BLP violations may result in the article being temporarily full-protected. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 15:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- This is the type of edit I'm talking about. One more WP:BLP violation in the next 24 hours and I will fully protect this article. WP:BLP is a policy to be taken seriously. Mr.Z-man 02:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Jonas Brothers Live
The Jonas Brothers opened up for Jesse McCartney on the Right Where You Want Me tour. Could someone put that in?
Rubybubbles 23:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Picture
Were did the picture go??? This page has had about a hundred so what's up???Smileyface 12 91 08:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- For real people we effectively need a picture taken and uploaded by the same person and properly licensed for use by Wikipedia. Any commercial picture that is found on the web is EXTREMELY unlikely to be usable by copyright rules and will be removed. Basically if you want to see a picture of a real person here YOU have to take the picture and upload it and give wikipedia free use of it or find someone to do it. --NrDg 15:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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The JOnas Brothers also opened for one of their many bffs Miley Cyrus on her HAnnh montana/ miley cyrus best of both world tours. 75.140.17.147 (talk) 00:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Dnb33 20 Febuary 2008
Sales
I have noticed that for the "Jonas Brothers" sales, it displays that the album has sold +220k in the US, but I thought I should inform you that the album has actually sold more. Soundscan as of last week:
42 JONAS BROTHERS JONAS BROTHERS 18,460 18,567 -1 270,941 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.201.227.97 (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Other Band Members
Jack Lawless, the drummer. he has a new wikipedia page and they should link his name from the Jonas Brothers' page to his page. Just a thought —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonasfan21 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Films
we should add: Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert Tour and their epiosde of hannah montana in a nice, neat table —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.186.237 (talk) 22:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank You
Thank you who ever rewrote this article. I tried several times but never seemed to hit the right format and get my ideas straighted enough to be a ligit article. Thank you for adding the Guitar/Bass/Drum players and keeping my bits about the guitars. Also thank you for adding the album history; that's important. --74.79.77.193 01:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Band In A Bus-JoBros' next album!
http://www.bandinabus.com/ that site is the official jobro band in bus site and it tells you about how they're recording their next cd in the bus on tour with miley! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.220.140 (talk) 05:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Credit Due
To whoever is in charge of the article, first of all...great job. I was wondering if you could add a credit to the song "Joy To The World (A Christmas Prayer)." It was produced by Raymond Boyd. So it could read, "Joy To The World (A Christmas Prayer)" produced by Raymond Boyd.
It would be nice to give credit to the producer that helped get them signed.
Thanks, JoBro Fan
Wikipedia should add how Joe Jonas (what a name!) fell at the AMA's and cut his hand and knee while preforming S.O.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.190.191 (talk) 00:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Joe Jonas/Amanda Michalka
Joe Jonas wrote the song "MOVE ON" to Amanda Michalka, and AJ wrote the "Potiental break up song" for joe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.20.189 (talk) 06:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
R U serious? --Meliss402 (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
NO! Neither of them wrote either of those songs for eachother! That is very bad rumor that has been going for a long time. They did not have this huge tragic break-up everyone says they did just because they want some drama. Joe and AJ BOTH have said they did NOT write those for eachother! Their break-up (as Joe says) was because of the long distance thing. It was hard to stay in contact and they agreed it was time to move on. Move On and the Potential Break Up Song ARE NOT FOR EACHTOHER!! JBF.org is a link (as seen below) 71.158.193.222 (talk) 20:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thx 4 clearing it up!--Meliss402 (talk) 21:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC) Yea they should also add more about joe and kevin in general! I mean its mostly an article about nick not that nick isnt awesome its just i luv them all!!
Grammar
It was supposed to be followed by a December release of a self-titled solo album, but the album had been pushed back.[17] But did get a limited release.[18] Nick, along with Kevin and Joe, had written several other songs for the album.[10]
"But did get a limited release." This is not a complete sentence. If someone could fix that, I would be appreciative.
Jedii42 (talk) 08:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Joe also plays the keeboard. Nick also plays the piano. I went to their concert.
jonas friends
according to people magazine, they are family friends of the cyrus family. and miley and nick MAY have a relationship in the future. we should put that down. and that the girl from the song mandy, who's named mandy, are the boys's best friend, joe's ex-girlfriend AJ dated Joe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.189.96 (talk) 01:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- This article is primarily about the band, not the people in the band. Gossip definitely does not belong here. --NrDg 01:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- We should make three new pages-one for joe, one for kevin, one for nick. then we can put it there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.224.224.169 (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
a little more information about there show and movie please!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.148.249 (talk) 00:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Platinum
They have finally went Platinum, its on the billboard official page if you need proof or source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jammy2 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
add a link
please add ru:Jonas Brothers link —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonasrussia (talk • contribs) 21:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
To find out some other information about the Jonas Brothers you could go to their myspace page www.myspace.com/jonasbrothers or thier youtube account www.youtube.com/jonasbrothersmusic
The Jonas Brothers just put up some of their new tour dates for their new tour "When You Look Me in the Eyes". You can but thier new cd in any store that sells cds, and you can also but their Bonus Jonas DVD. Jonas Brothers are Hawt!
Jonas Brothers are working on their brand new cd that will come out in 2008. They are going all over the country, see if thier coming to a city near you!
Check back soon for more information to follow! Hoped it helped you to go and see them in concert! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.141.99 (talk) 01:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Their new movie called "CAMP ROCK" will be premered on Disney Channel in June. Not only a movie, but a BRAND NEW SERIES! It's called J.O.N.A.S. and it'll be premered in the Fall of 2008. It is about three rock stars who are secrelty undercover spies! It will also be on Disney Channel. More information to follow.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.141.99 (talk) 01:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Best of Both Worlds Tour
The Best of Both World tour is still under future projects or whatever it is called but the Jonas Brothers are done with it now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.164.107 (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
maybe??
the jonas bros r on the breakfast breakes add should that be added??
--Meliss402 (talk) 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Single Pages
shouldn't nick, joe, and kevin [maybe even frankie] have their own page instead of grouping them all together? then they could have their own stuff like personal life, etc... Shaynatoh1997 (talk) 15:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)shayna
Small Error in Nick's Birthday
8:30am Feb 16, 2008 Near the bottom of this article, Nick's birthday says 1992.. Given his extensive involvement with Broadway, etc... I believe it should be 1982.. Isn't he the oldest in the group?
NO ERROR
Sorry, theres no error , nick was born in 1992. hes 14 years old, so its ok. hes the youngest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.42.86.210 (talk) 21:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Cheers 65.27.159.49 (talk) 13:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Info in article is correct and referenced. September 16, 1992. --NrDg 16:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.7.227.202 (talk) 21:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Please Stop Editing !
people keep editing this article and i am trying to use it for a speech! does anyone have any respect for people using wikipedia any more? Now it says 'stupid' jonas brothers in the first paragraph, i don't know what information is real anymore!