Talk:Jonas Basanavičius
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[edit] Conspiracy Theory?
Lysy, grow up. It was simply a small trivial coincidence that I thought interesting. And you seem to be quite the afficinado of "trivia", and an editor that revels in trivial additions to WP, when it suits you. Let's leave it out, and make you happy. BTW, how could you find it to be conspiratorial? Maybe you need to rest up a bit. Dr. Dan 14:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Polish name
I don't see much rationale for adding the Polish name into the article. In this case, a redirect and interwiki link should be enough.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 22:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Polish name do not have established EN usage at all, putting it is indeed dirsuptive and WP:POINT. If is Polish variant is used in PL sources use it in pl:Jonas Basanavičius. M.K. 06:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- There's several modern non-Polish authors to refer to him by his Polish name, which is apparently enough (see James' comment at Talk:Karolina_Proniewska#Request_for_Comment). Besides, there's even more mentions of his Polish name in contemporary literature. //Halibutt 00:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Even though there is not much rationale for adding the Polish name into the article, rationality has never had much to do with the provocative POV pushing that is so transparent to everyone involved in these debates except you, my friends. And please stop the masquerade of trying to reach some modus vivendi, in our "little club", (as you once called it), instead of playing games. Dr. Dan 03:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, let's declare war on each other and stop trying to reach consensus. Is that what you propose? //Halibutt 08:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- It is so easy to find Polish forms of names to almost all Lithuanians of pre-20th century, so please go on.Iulius 09:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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The 1906 English reference seems to establish some marginal historical English usage, though we don't generally list every possible historical variant of people's names. An English reference written in the past 50 years would be a lot better for that, if any exist. Did he use the Polish name himself during his lifetime? If so, we could mention it in the body with an explanation like, "he also used the name Jan Basanowicz when writing in Polish". I don't really see what the French-language or Polish-language sources establish, unless they say something like that (do they?), so would suggest removing them; the fact that a Polish version of his name is used in a Polish source isn't particularly useful as evidence of anything. The fact that User:Halibutt's recent edits seem to consist of the same sort of pattern of editing on many different Lithuanian articles is also troubling. --Delirium 11:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Hello Delirium. First of all the English source of 1906 year did not use Jan Basanowicz as the name, second this unclear citation was taken from Google books abstraction (second from top). And I bet that contributor would not provide more clearer citation regarding this quote to identify the context. Second Jonas Basanavičius is the prevailing name in EN sources [1] while Polih one is not; even not taking in account this. M.K. 13:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Delirium, will you request the same from other editors at Talk:Karolina Proniewska?
- M.K., check again, Basanowicz's name is clearly mentioned. //Halibutt 07:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- As I already suggested at Alex Bakharev's talk page, it is not even clear whether "Jan Basanowicz" is the Polish name. The Polish book from 1999 used as a source mentions Basanavičius seven times, and three times actually calls him "Jan Basanavičius" ([2]). --Paul Pieniezny 08:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, a bit off-topic, but it's strange to see how Lithuanian WP users zealously avoids non-Lithuanian person's name, while themselves many times are trying to push Lithuanian name even for person who lived in times when written Lithuanian was almost not used or not used at all. The official name used by Jonas Basanavičius himself was Иван Басанович (Ivan Basanovich) when he lived in Russia and Bulgaria, and I think it's worth to mention this fact. The street in Varna is named after Basanovich but not after Basanavičius [3]. Interestingly to know what name used Basanavičius when he lived in Wilno, in Poland. 81.7.98.250 (talk) 10:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Page protected
I strongly recommend that editors of this article spend more time discussing and less reverting. I've protected the page for a week in the hope that this will allow a resolution to be reached - mediation and other forms of dispute resolution may help. WjBscribe 19:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reasonable effort.Iulius 19:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dubious references
Please provide exact (in the origin language) and translated into English citations for each of those references as per WP:V
<ref name="Rollet">{{fr icon}} {{cite book | author = | coauthors = | title =La Pologne au XXe siècle (Poland in 20th century)| year =1984 | editor =Jean Laloy | pages =47 | chapter = | chapterurl = | publisher =Editions A. Pedone | location =Paris | isbn=2233001478 }}</ref><nowiki/> :<nowiki><ref name="Maciejewski">{{pl icon}} {{cite book | author =various authors | coauthors = | title =Przemiany formuły polskości w drugiej połowie XIX wieku (Transitions of the sense of Polish identity in the second half of 19th century) | year =1999 | editor =Janusz Maciejewski | pages =28 | chapter = | chapterurl = | publisher =IBL [[Polish Academy of Sciences]] | location =Warsaw | isbn=8387456422 }}</ref><nowiki/> :<nowiki><ref name="NIE">{{en icon}} {{cite encyclopedia |editor=Daniel Coit Gilman, Harry Thurston Peck, Frank Moore Colby |encyclopedia=The New International Encyclopaedia |title=Lithuanian language |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=m0IrAAAAMAAJ&dq=Basanowicz&pgis=1 |edition= |year=1906 |publisher=Dodd, Mead and company |volume=12 LAT-MAN |location= | quote=The first magazine, the organ of the Young Lithuanian Party, was founded by Basanowicz|id= |pages=337 }}</ref><nowiki/>