Talk:Jon Kyl

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Ok, I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous: "He promotes lower taxes, national defense, tough crime and drug laws, victims rights, health care, and education." Well no kidding. I think we'd ought to list issues that take a personal meaning to the particular congressman or that have been part of campaign strategy. Being tough on crime and drugs, promoting health care and education are non-statements. No politician in the US is against education, and similarly, none are against health care.

Now, these issues may be defining to his term in office. For example, if he were for nationalized health care, privatizing education, or had specific drug and crime law legislation proposed, it would make sense to list these here. Otherwise, I'm removing them this week. I'll actually check and see what his official position on each of the listed items is, and replace the dumb, non-statement with one that actually informs.

If anyone else sees similar sentences on other politician pages, please do the same. --ABQCat 07:03, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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I've removed a sentence about how he's strongly opposed to the Akaka bill. It seemed odd to devote a whole paragraph to an issue that is, at the national level, fairly minor. Meelar (talk) 03:57, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Wiki Sponsored Bill Policy 2 term limits 3 Attempt To Mislead Supreme Court 4 Online Gaming Ban section removal

[edit] Wiki Sponsored Bill Policy

I think adding potential bills that Senators sponsor is a good idea, and I would like to add information on it, particularly here and at John Cornyn. The particular bill is about collecting DNA from suspects and placing it indefinitely in federal databases, regardless of conviction or acquittal. --Iosif 22:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] term limits

I think there should be something about term limits. Jon Kyl campaigned on the promise of term limits and that he would stay in office for two terms as senator. He signed the Contract with America (The Citizen Legislature Act) to that effect. Now he is running for a third term as senator. QuestioningAuthority 15:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that's not true. He signed the Contract with America while he was in the House of Representatives, stating that's where he would only run for two terms. Then he ran as senator. KyleUpDATER 14:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The Contract with America isn't relevant for two reasons - first, as pointed out, Kyl was not a Senator then; second, the Contract said that signers would support a constitutional amendment. So signing does not in any way commit someone to personally observe term limits.

Having said that, it's true that a number of Republican politicians DID, individually, promise that they would limit themselves. My guess is that a majority of those who so promised did not, in fact, observe their promise. I've personally updated a half-dozen or so wikipedia articles, where there was evidence of such a personal pledge/promise, based on this blog posting and discussion and its links.

In short, if there is something else besides the Pledge to point to, then yes, add information about a pledge/promise. I suspect there ISN'T anything else, based on a google search I just did, but I didn't check every result. John Broughton 19:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attempt To Mislead Supreme Court

I just restored my wording around the Kyl / Graham amicus brief in the Hamdan v. Rumsfeld case.

The apparent attempt to mislead the supreme court is the reason why this brief is notable; from the article (and several references quoting it) the "extensive colloloquy" 'appears to have been' an attempt to create a ficticious transcript (including staged interruptions, asking if they had time left, etc.) and pass it off as real senate discussion--hence the title of the reference (Invisibile Men : Did Lindsey Graham and Jon Kyl mislead the Supreme Court?)

Haven't been through the edit history so I'm not sure quite how it got dropped--with the recent run on vandalism / clean up it may just have been dropped accidentally. If anyone does have a POV concern please feel free to suggest alternate wording --Cambridgegames 01:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Restored it again--I guess I jsut have a vague sense that elected officials getting caught 'appearing to' deliberately attempt to mislead the supreme court is a notable event. As above--very happy to take suggestions for different wording if you can come up with a more NPOV way of describing what happened68.239.36.140 02:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I've removed a statement that says Pederson is the odds-on favorite to beat Kyl. Polls have consistently shown Pederson to trail Kyl, although the race is expected to be close. An article in today's AZ Republic backs this up: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1018sen-pederson1018.html

[edit] Online Gaming Ban section removal

I removed the section on Kyl's part in an online gaming ban. It seems more appropriate to start a new article on the subject, and I know of other instances where different figures' statements or actions about certain things (Katrina, etc) have been removed wholesale from their articles. Anyway, could we generate some discussion on this? If the editor chooses to register a username and present a case, I'm sure their concerns would be taken seriously. --JMurphy 05:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)