User talk:Johnnyauau2000

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Hello, Johnnyauau2000, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Joelster 23:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I couldn't help noticing your edits to Seinfeld-related articles. I am interested in setting up a Seinfeld WikiProject to improve articles related to Seinfeld. At the moment I am just looking for people who are interested in joining. If you are interested in joining, please add your name here or contact me on my talk page. Thankyou, Joelster 23:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Prolific means being able to create work that has abundance Kevin j 01:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC).

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[edit] thanx for the message

Well i can see that u have had a change of heart and decided to stay with wikipedia....i'm also glad that u are discussing changes on the talk pages. regarding ur suggestion of music section on "Seinfeld" article, i've removed the pov statement about it being pathbreaking but kept the remaining portions of the section. another thing is u can help with citing sources in the article....if it well cited then it can be nominated for GA status.Gprince007 (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seinfeld talk page deletions

i noticed that u deleted an entire section from the seinfeld talk page. (see [1]). well the wikipedia policy is u are not supposed to delete messages from article talk page. see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#When pages get too long. i could've reverted ur edit but i thought of advisin u abt the official policy. i suggest u restore the deleted section.Gprince007 (talk) 04:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to Inkquill's edits

you said that he deleted Seinfeld's parents details...but they are there in the list of secondary characters....His only edit which i disagreed with was regarding Newman's description as "bombastic". It didnt sound encyclopaedic and i reverted it. he deleted some names from guest appearances section which i think is ok becos they are not so popular. even u can delete some names if u think they are not so well known. I dont know many ppl in the list becos i'm not from US so i cant delete names without knowing much abt them. if any other edit you think is problematic then pls tell me which one by checkin the history of the article and i'll chk it out...thanx...Gprince007 (talk) 04:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Well Johny i understand that u r very emotional person....but i guess Inkquill reference about US grammar usage in a american show is valid point. In fact the wikipedia manual of style states that articles shd be written in that form of english which its country speak. For example, an article about Disney uses American english, an article about Taj mahal is written in Indian English, article abt Buckingham Palace is written in British English and an article abt Sydney Opera house is supposed to be written in Australian English. See Wikipedia:Mos#Strong national ties to a topic and Wikipedia:Mos#Opportunities for commonality for different and common usage of english. Regarding the use of "nihilism", it has been in the article for a long time but it was uncited. I searched the net for "Seinfeld and nihilism" and found a cite for it. So i cited it and let it remain...Hope it addresses ur doubts....Gprince007 (talk) 16:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Is this Wikipedia tradition, to talk about other editors without addressing them directly? I'm not emotional or against everything you do--in fact, I said I thought your idea of a table for guest appearances was a good idea and then I created it. I have not said things like "Are you dense?" as you have. I think you need to look at your own comments instead of accusing me of jumping on you. Fighting about this stuff is really not worth my energy. I can make a good argument about Newman being bombastic, and don't understand what is non-encyclopedic about it, but I have to choose my battles. This is a community, and I can live with disagreement without complaining about every change, because it's not MY article. If you have specific disagreements about my work, you can write on my talk page, but if you're going to get emotional, accusatory, calling me names and being, yes, bombastic, I'm not going to give you the courtesy of a thoughtful reply. I'll just ignore you. Again, I suggest you look at comments you've made to me and others and examine your own investment in this project. InkQuill (talk) 19:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Inkquill's world

Well Inkquill's past few edits seem ok to me...pardon me if i am missing something here....I feel u take things too personally. If Inkquill reverts ur edits then it doesnt mean u revert his the next time. Stay cool and lets not destroy the article by bickering over who did what in the article. His suggestions on seinfeld talk page seem ok...i'll go thru it later and reply to it but for now i suggest u read WP:COOL to cool down a bit. The article lacks in many areas and its sad to see u guys bickering over trivial matters. The article lacks citation and sources...i suggest we resolve those issues first and then get to other matters...I've written the same thing to Inkquill also....Gprince007 (talk) 11:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Laymans guide to Citing sources

When u make a claim in an article then that claim should be verifiable by a reliable source. So u need to cite the source. For example in the Seinfeld article, in the lead section it states that "..the show finished in top two in neilson ratings from 1994 to 1998."[1]

If u click the [1] in the article, then it takes u to the references section and there u can click the first link (which in this case is a CNN link) which backs the claim...in other words CNN states that the claim is true and hence the statement is taken as a verifiable statement.

now lets see "How to cite sources":

Now in the talk page of the article i said that, In "Seasons 6 to 7: Maintaining the top" section, "According to the cast, crew, and many critics, Season 7 was when the show reached its creative peak"....Now this statement needs to be verified by a reliable source. Suppose u come across a reliable website or a book or a magazine/newspaper which says the above statement is true, then u can cite it by:

  • step1) clicking "edit this page"
  • step2) go to the relevant statement and add <ref> website link </ref>. If u got the info from a book then substitute website link with name of the book alongwith author and isbn number. Same is the case with magazine/newspaper.
  • step3) preview and save the page.

Alternatively u can use {{cite}} template...but its bit complex for u to understand it. You can go thru WP:CITE,WP:VERIFY and WP:Reliable sources for more info in detail...but my suggestion is u follow the three steps above ....they are the easiest way to cite sources for a beginner. Another thing is Fansites,blogs etc cannot be cited as a source of information...pls keep that in mind. For any doubts feel free to ask me...Gprince007 (talk) 15:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hey there

Hi there...i'm also a male ....i'm currently busy working on Hilary Duff article. I bought it to good article status and currently i am working on bringing it to a Featured article status. Also i am busy in real life too... i'll work on seinfeld after i finish with hilary duff article. i do have seinfeld on my watchlist and will monitor the changes in it. In the meantime, maybe u can search the net for sources and cite them in the article.It will be a while before i work on the article...u can work on citing sources...if u make any mistake i'll correct it as i have the article on my watchlist....so go ahead with it but dont make drastic changes !!! Gprince007 (talk) 10:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand that its difficult to find sources on the net and cite them. But what to do ???....if we have to get the article to featured or atleast good article status, then we need to back the claims with valid sources...or else we'll have to delete those sentences. The problem is that, people add all sorts of info and leave it without citing where they got it from....this causes the article to become long and lenghthy and when we sit down to improve the article we discover that there are lot of sentences which are uncited claims or original research. The best we can do is to dig in the internet and find some sources. Thats why my advice to u is that dont add too many extra stuff into seinfeld-related articles without citing them. This could cause problems at later stages (...maybe 2-3 months later) when the article gets bloated and lenthgy. u can make changes or add to any article (like elaine or any seinfeld-related article), but major claims shd be cited. Thanx...Gprince007 (talk) 06:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
You said u added some things abt her "personality".....where did u get that info abt her "personality"???....unless u have sources then i dont think it would help the article. Infact it might be considered as Original research and deleted. I havent gone through the elaine article right now but still if something has been added by u which might sound as original reasearch then i suggest u seek some source for it. Anyways i havent seen the article so maybe i might be wrong also...but still i suggest u check it up.....right now i'm busy with another article.....so it will be a while before i take up seinfeld related articles. Gprince007 (talk) 14:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seinfeld vandalism

Thanx for informing me abt Seinfeld page vandalism. I have reverted the vandalism...i have it on my watchlist so i keep a watch over every edit on that page....but still if someone vandalises it then feel free to revert it. You can improve the article too....currently i am busy with another article but still i keep watching Seinfeld page ....so no need to worry !!! Gprince007 (talk) 16:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Get yourself Adopted

Since u are relatively new here, u require an experienced user to guide u. Although i can guide u on some matters, i myself am not familiar with many policies of wikipedia. i suggest u offer urself for "adoption". In wikipedia, new users offer themselves for "adoption", wherein an experienced user adopts the new user and guides him through the maze of wikipedia. I feel that it would be a more appropriate way to guidance on subject matters related to wikipedia. You can offer urself for adoption and then a user will adopt u and become ur mentor ....Visit WP:ADOPT for more details....

I'm sorry i wont be able to help with hongkong legends as i am not familiar with it....but i can help copyedit it and fix language/grammar issues (as i did with seinfeld). By the way have u created the article or are u still gathering info abt it??? ...also is it an article or a wikiproject???....anyways i suggest u get urself adopted first before creating any article and ask ur "mentor" abt it.....he will suggest some dos and donts before creating ur article.

i dont use yahoo messenger or msn much becos i am very busy these days....anyways u can post a message on my talk page anytime....Gprince007 (talk) 04:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mickey Abbott links

Johnny, I merged the "Mickey Abbott" article into List of Seinfeld minor characters with an anchor that goes right to the section on Mickey. By reverting what I did, you're linking to a page that's redirected to the link I set up. I don't believe Wikipedia likes redirected links, so I change them whenever I redirect something. So please don't revert my work. Thanks. I'll post this on Gprince007's talk page too, in case I'm wrong or in case you want him to weigh in.  ~ InkQuill  17:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Since the individual article on Mickey Abbott was very short, i guess it was right to redirect it to List of Seinfeld minor characters#mickeyabbott. In the List of Seinfeld minor characters page, there is no need to link Mickey Abbott becos a link to Mickey Abbott page will lead to Mickey Abbott page which in turn will redirect to List of Seinfeld minor characters#mickeyabbott. It will be a kind of double redirect which is avoidable. So i guess it's ok right now....Gprince007 (talk) 15:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I'm not sure exactly what you mean...It seems like a good idea. If you want to include that information in the Seinfeld article then you should find a reference for it. Perhaps others can help you. Why not place your message on the Project Talk Page? Don't hesitate to contact me if you need anything else. Joelster (talk) 00:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elaine Benes

Sorry I couldn't get back to you straight away but I've been extremely busy. Regarding your comments about the Elaine page, I know that the Chracteristics section is un-encyclopedic, and I will try to fix it up when I can. The only suggestions I can give you are: 1. The section is too long. We don't need to mention every little thing about her physicality. 2. Speculation should be removed, such as the statement "she is probably the most intelligent person in the group".

Regarding the other members of the project, there's nothing I can do. They are not obligated to do any work as a member of the project, although they really should. I can't force them to do anything, but I might leave a kind note on their talk pages, we'll see.

The word misanthrope is linked in the article so there is really no need to add an explanation. If people aren't sure of the meaning they can always click the word and the opening paragraph explains what the word means.

Lastly, I'm not "in charge" of the project. I am merely the founder. Everyone is in charge of the project, and no one person has authority over another, just like the Wikipedia project in general. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by lessons. Lessons on what? As Gprince said, why don't you consider getting yourself adopted? Well anyway I hope what I've said here has been of some help. Joelster (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Seinfeld

Hi there,

In response to your message, I still want to work in the WikiProject. I'm currently waiting for the results of The Contest's good article nomination. If it gets promoted, I plan to put it forward to peer review and see if it can eventually become a featured article. I would also start working on episode articles in season 1, with the ambition of creating a featured topic about the season.

Thanks,

ISD (talk) 16:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Seinfeld.

Hey Volatile. I was hoping you could be of some help in this project. Joelster, Inkquill, Gprince007 and me are hot on this project and I hope you would be still involved in this. Two questions: Do you still want to do this and why? Answer me as soon as you can. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 12:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Seinfeld's a good show. VolatileChemical (talk) 03:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WikiProject Seinfeld

Yes, I'm still interested in working on the Seinfeld Project. I'm currently busy working on the Xbox Project right now but I'll put in some time soon. Please look at the Xbox Project, and if there's any page formats from our page you would like me to inquire into the Seinfeld project, I could do so. Thanks DJS--DJS24 (talk) 16:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Seinfeld

I am still interested in Project Seinfeld simply because of how big a fan I am. I plan to start by focusing on episode pages, specifically cleaning up text and uploading some images. RedPen72 —Preceding comment was added at 21:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Seinfeld

I am not interested in helping to fix related Seinfeld articles. Lately I have been tied up with other projects. I created the WikiProject Xbox with DJS24. Again as DJS said if you would like to use templates/formats for our page you are welcome to ask. Sorry, at first I wanted to help but now I have much more things I must do before Seinfeld.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 23:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Elaine Benes Article

Hey there Johnny. I noticed that in the Elaine Benes article you changed the word 'mouth' to 'honesty' (see here). I agree with you, 'honesty' is probably a better word than 'mouth' in general, but not in this context. Do you think the examples in that section are of Elaine being honest, or just slips of the tounge or being a bit of a loud-mouth? If I recall correctly, in The Betrayal when she reveals a secret to Jerry, she's drunk, so she isn't really being honest. Making a joke about George and Jerry being gay isn't really being honest either. I haven't reverted your changes, but I just thought I should let you know my viewpoint and perhaps we can reach an agreement. Joelster (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well the thing is that 'truthfulness' has practically the same meaning as 'honesty'. Personally I thought 'mouth' was fine, but how about 'openness', 'speech' or 'words'? Joelster (talk) 23:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay I will change it to 'opennes'. 'Big mouth' would've been good but unfortunately it doesn't really fit an encyclopedia. If you have anything else in mind don't hesitate to contact me. Joelster (talk) 10:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I have another point...In the Seinfeld finale episode, Elaine does say "Jerry I've always loved u.." which she later changes to "Jerry I've always loved United Airlines" once the plane steadies itself.

Read this [2] script please.

What would be the point of her changing her phrase to "Jerry I've always loved United Airlines" if all she said was "Jerry I've always"? That doesnt make ANY sense! She said "United Airlines" so she could weasel out of having said "you". That's the ENTIRE POINT OF THE JOKE - ("you" sounding like the beginning of the word of "United") I really don't understand why you keep changing that - you're taking away the entire punchline of the joke. I've seen this episode dozens of times.

Your contributions to the Elaine article are great, but I can't agree with you on that one. Maybe you could provide a video clip of the scene? And then, if you are right, I will totally will admit I'm wrong.

Thanks! --Mezaco (talk) 04:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts! I added a reply of my own to the WikiProject Seinfeld discussion page so we don't have to repeat ourselves privately here as well. --Mezaco (talk) 02:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recent addition to Seinfeld article

Hi there !!!....i notice that u added a paragraph in the Seinfeld article about how the episode plots are based on their real-life experiences....Did u read this somewhere??? ....because if u did, then we might use that as a source to cite the claim. If this info is from a website, then pls cite it....if u know the url, then pls let me know....the article already has lots of uncited claims and any more uncited additions can only make the burden heavier...if u read the info somewhere, then try to get the name of book/magazine and author/date of issue etc...but pls add the source....thanx for ur support...Gprince007 (talk) 16:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again,...I notice that u have added the sources and am really thankful for that. In future, whenever u add something important to an article, try to cite it so that ppl need not scour for sources later on....Regarding ur question of citing something which u have seen on dvd......u can cite anything u see on DVD with the help of {{cite video}} or {{cite episode}} template. See WP:CIT for more details....thanx...Gprince007 (talk) 12:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Seinfield

Sorry, I just do not have the time right now to help contribute to these articles. Too much going on. Gamer2127 (talk) 22:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed in Hong Kong Legends, The Protector (1985 film)

I've seen your edits in history on both articles and it helps very well. How would you like if you can help me turn those articles into something interesting to read about. Right now, I couldn't do it alone although I did my best by introducing Hong Kong Legends and added another version in The Protector to make it more interesting to read. I would be happy if you can help 'cause right now it's near impossible to find materials from various websites that I can add to make it worth it if someone decides to research for their homework for example. Answer me in my talk page if you're willing to help. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 23:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. You're right, it is difficult to find information on Hong Kong Legends - searching Google just brings up tons of shopping links and not much about the history of the business. I tried to add a few links, and I will continue to keep an eye out for more info. This combined with the fact that I do edit quite a lot of other articles, means I'll probably only add bits and pieces when I find them, rather than spending a lot of time trying to improve these articles now. Keep up the good work! Gram123 (talk) 15:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] George

Really? Hm. I think if I used one word to describe George, it'd be "petty." He takes offense at the slightest provocation, and holds grudges for the slightest offenses. He focuses on the tiniest (pettiest) problems even in the face of greater crises. For one example among very many... when Susan's father's cabin is burning down, and everyone's staring in shock... and George realizes she never gave him back his change. Yeah, that's an example of being cheap, but it's cheapness in a particularly petty way. What do you think? Korossyl (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)