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[edit] Louielim2007

Hi John,

I am Andrewlim1, but using Louielim2007 to leave you a message, please, I am not a sock puppet, but I opened this account because some users are harassing my andrewlim1 account, please help me.

Thanks.

Andrewlim1


[edit] Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts

If you fancy a break with some "culture", see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Infoart articles! Tyrenius 03:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll take a look. --Guinnog 06:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East Germany national football team

The change to this new format was not discussed. I asked to the user who started changing the format, but I got no answer.--Tozzi Fan 20:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elk

Thanks for the copyedits...yes, the article should be in either American ior British English, not both. Part of this issue is I use both, so it was a bit of a jumble. I think the lead may need a rewrite as Marskell pointed out and I am looking first at other similar articles to determine if I have the sections laid out well. I'll try to do more work on the article over the weekend. Thanks again.--MONGO 21:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! It's an interesting article and it still seems funny to me to change UK spelling to U.S.! Obviously on an article like this it doesn't matter which but should be consistent within the article. --John 19:15, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I do suggest that if Red Deer is brought to peer review (and a guy is pushing me to work on it via email), it should definitely use British English since that species is native to Europe. As a side-note...I saw "John" and I was wondering, who the heck is that...then saw you had changed your name. Anyway, thanks for the help and support.--MONGO 05:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, if it's agreed to change it from US to UK I could easily do that. The other way would definitely be harder for me. As for my name, I got tired of being confused with User:Gwernol and another couple of users with similar names. This is my real name and maybe will be easier for people to recognise. Best wishes, --John 23:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Burrowing Owl

I know you already supported, but User:Wsiegmund has used his software to edit the Burrowing Owl shot I took...if you care to take another peek.[1]--MONGO 05:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Technical problem

Hello Guinnog,
When I created an account not long ago, it fell to you to welcome me to Wikipedia.
The thing is, I have encountered a mystifying problem. I made a minor addition (about a dozen words of text and a source reference) to the Ronald Reagan article, near the end of the Reaganomics and the Economy section. When the change was saved, I saw that this addition had caused the following (last) sentence of that section and the entire first half of the next section (The War on Drugs) to vanish. The text was all still there when you went to 'edit this page' but it did not appear in normal view. I undid the revision and everything appeared as it should again. I then made a second attempt to implement the change, with the same results. I do not understand what is happening there.
I would really appreciate any help that you could give on this matter.
Cheers, Conval 12:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorted. The end ref tag wasn't closed properly. Tyrenius 14:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talkpage

I've moved your talkpage to the right place - the rename software can't do it automatically because it can't delete pages and this one was previously a redirect to User talk: John (usurped). Enjoy the new name... WjBscribe 17:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --John 19:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Talk:U2

What is the policy about editing the talk page for an article? I ask because I was just reading a recent "contribution" ([[2]]) that is just so much useless babbling in response to someone else's useless babbling. The fact is, as one of the policys says "the talk page is not a forum" for general discussion of the topic. It seems to me that anything that is not related to improving the article should be deleted. I consider tidying up. I would like to know your thoughts on the matter, especially considering that you are a regular contributor to U2. Cheers! ---Cathal 15:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. It looks like a lot of nonsense to me as well. If we engage with the anon and he provides us with one useful and verifiable thing we can use to improve the article, then it will have been a useful contribution. Frankly, my money isn't on that being the case, but neither is this such an egregiously disruptive bit of nonsense to delete it or warn the IP. Others might have a different opinion, but that's mine. --John 02:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Fascist with the Bot!

Thanks for your message. Virtually all the images that have been questioned by this "expert" are book covers. The fair use would be the same in each case. Surely there is a simple fix? PaddyBriggs 16:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I've queried this as well and apparently it is regarded as important that we write individualised fair use rationales even for book covers and album covers. Although this does not necessarily seem like a good use of our time I have accepted it and added fair use rationales to all the fair use book and album covers I have uploaded. If you need help in crafting one I can maybe help you. --John 16:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jafrinet

I've already posted a message on the "new user's" column to you. As you could see, I didn't even know where to post a reply to you. All I'm trying to say is I'm new here and because of the enormity of information on wikipedia, it becomes difficult to know everything about compliance from the start. So give me some time to get used to what's happening here and I'm also looking to make my contributions in future. Jafrinet 15:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John

Nice name! I just saw User:John on my watchlist and had to check out who it was. I'm glad to see that you've pulled a Madonna and joined me on the darkside with a first name only. :) Hope all is well, John (it's kind a weird calling you that on-Wiki!) Sarah 16:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sarah! Yes, it's nice being able to use my real name openly here. I feel a bit like Prince really (as in "the artist formerly known as..."). Very nice to hear from you. Look after yourself. --John 16:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Estonia & RUReady2Testify

You might be interested in [3] and [4] on Talk:Estonia. User RUReady2Testify accuses you of vandalism and violating NPOV. DLX 18:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank, funnily enough I was just reading those. I don't think I have too much to worry about; the new user may need some mentoring help if you're interested. --John 18:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
We'll see - I hope so. I have seen some such users to grow into good, contributing editors, but as a rule, they haven't started out by accusing an administrator of vandalism... DLX 18:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree, it could still go either way at this stage... --John 18:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


User John has:

vandalized the article on Estonia by deleting links to highly relevant historical and current topics that form the core of the identity of Estonia and Estonians;

violated the NPOV rule by doing same;

violated civility rules;

violated rules on being particularly civil and friendly and avoid discouraging new editors;

and quite possibly other rules as well. Some of what follows was posted elsewher and is posted her as demonstration:

I demand that he cease his vandalism. John: Your deletion of these links is vandalism and violates the NPOV principle. Please do not do that again.

If you persist in violating NPOV and and vandalizing this or any other article, I will be forced to seek a consensus on how to proceed in dealing with you. I will now be monitoring your work.—Preceding unsigned comment added by RUReady2Testify (talk • contribs)

Well, indeed. As I already said to you, you ought to be obtaining consensus for these changes before making them. Incidentally, you should sign talk page posts by typing ~~~~ after them. --John 18:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Your hostility is absolutely stunning. You are not making friends, I can tell you that. RUReady2Testify 18:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


Can you seek consensus on talk pages before adding controversial links please? Thank you and happy editing. --John 17:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If the articles linked to are controversial, delete them. Once you have deleted the article, I will delete the link.—Preceding unsigned comment added by RUReady2Testify (talk • contribs)

No, that isn't how we work. --John 18:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, shape up and start following WP rules. You have no right or power to delete the work of another editor. Your own talk page mentions this principle.
User John has vandalized this article by deleting links to highly relevant historical and current topics that form the core of the identity of Estonia and Estonians. I demand that he cease his vandalism. John: Your deletion of these links is vandalism and violates the NPOV principle. Please do not do that again.
If you persist in violating NPOV and and vandalizing this or any other article, I will be forced to seek a consensus on how to proceed in dealing with you. I will now be monitoring your work.—Preceding unsigned comment added by RUReady2Testify (talk • contribs)

Well, indeed. As I already said to you, you ought to be obtaining consensus for these changes before making them. Incidentally, you should sign talk page posts by typing ~~~~ after them. --John 18:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Your hostility is absolutely stunning. You are not making friends, I can tell you that. RUReady2Testify 18:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC) RUReady2Testify 19:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I will try to live with that. Please try to follow our rules when you edit here. Well done for getting the signature thing sorted out. Most users (myself included) prefer you to post at the bottom of a talk page. Happy editing. --John 19:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice condescending discussion of new users, namely me RUReady2Testify 20:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC). If you are an administrator, you should really go back and read the rules. Many people think they know the rules, when in fact they have never actually read them. They figure out the acronym NPOV, and they have satisfied themselves that they know. This is a failing of WP, because knowing the acronym does not imply knowing all that the principle entails. Re-read also the rules and guidelins on treating new users. And learn, for example what REALLY is vandalism and trolling. I was accused of trolling by DLX--that is a very serious accusation--he even included a round-about threat to have me barred (or as WPs say in their bad English "banned"). Trolling necessarily involves an intention to disrupt the use of WP. Anyone who argues for inclusion of a point or exclusion of a point on the DISCUSSION PAGES is manifestly abiding by the principles of WP in that he has done nothing to affect the use of the entry in question or the encyclopedia itself. Such accusations of trolling are not only unwarranted, they are abusive, and in violation of the WP rules on various topics including how to treat newbies. By they way, what are those rules? I would bet that you do not know. Making a new person write so many words defending himself against baseless accusations is without a doubt a violation. Making your first comment to a new person a personal attack is most certainly a violation. The mere fact that you have become an administrator does not give you license to behave in such a condescending and boorish maner. I would certainly appreciate an apology. RUReady2Testify 20:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Gosh, there are so many misunderstandings there that I don't quite know where to begin. Let's see.
  1. I never threatened to block you ("ban" has a specific meaning which need not concern us here), although I agree with DLX that you may head in that direction if you do not learn to work better with others here.
  2. My first contact with you was actually to send you a welcome message and to ask you (quite nicely I thought) to seek consensus before adding controversial links or info to articles.
  3. If you have any issue with DLX I suggest taking it up with him/her directly, though
  4. I do not recommend that you do this. As an established editor he/she (like me) will likely have better things to do than bicker with a new user about our policies. I actually thought DLX's message to you was very kind and helpful.
  5. I think I am adequately familiar with our core policies already.
  6. While I am certainly sorry if you think I am acting in a "condescending and boorish maner (sic)", I do not agree with your characterisation of my interaction with you as such. That is as close to an apology as you will get from me.
I hope that helps you to understand the situation better. I strongly advise you to put the advice you have received from me and DLX to good use, and I hope you continue to enjoy editing here. --John 20:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

You did not ask "quite nicely." Such directness as yours on first communication, with no explanation, no preliminaries, etc., is extraordinarily rde in English. It was DLX who threatened to have me barred. See his thinly veiled threat on my talk page.

Yes, you think you are already familiar with the policies--that's my point. It is evident that you need a refresher. Just look at them and cite the sections that I am claiming you violated and make your rebuttal.

Using "(sic)" in this manner--to belittle someone--is rude and boorish itself. That "do not agree with your characterisation [sic] of my interaction with you as such," is not even a defense. Also, you make yourself vulnerable to charges of ridiculousness by using British spellings,

Now you are "strongly advising" me--that is another threat. Making such threats is a multiple violation. Can you guess which rules? I bet not.

See more on this discussion at DLX's talk page. RUReady2Testify 20:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry you are still upset. Nevertheless, I stand by everything I said and have nothing to add, except that British English is perfectly acceptable here, see WP:ENGVAR. --John 20:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with British usage, except that you are obviously American and your inconsistent use--indeed your use at all--of one British spelling or two draws attention to itself and invites ridicule. RUReady2Testify 21:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Does it? I am Scottish, as a look at my user page would have revealed. Not that it matters anyway; I am not here to seek your approval. --John 21:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. This is hopeless - see his latest comments. Perhaps ask another admin to review his and our comments - so you won't be accused of using admin powers in a content dispute? DLX 05:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

John: I looked at your user page--it does not reveal that you are Scottish, it merely reveals that you have an interest in Scotland. Lots of Americans are interested in Scotland.

It is clear also that you and DLX are not historians, are not social scientists, are not public policy experts and essentialy have no qualifications for doing what you are doing. That's OK, that is perfectly within the vision of WP. However, I suggest to you both that you be less agressive in defending your ill-informed positions when a person more expert than yourself comes along. Since I have not yet put up any info on my user page, you will have to evaluate me by the strength of my views, not by some unverifiable claim that I am expert such as those made by you and DLX. Note to DLX: BTW, you direct me to the Occupation museum, thank you very much. But before you make such a presumptuous reccomendation, you should endeavor to find out a little bit about the person you are addressing. I would never dream of reccomending to someone who is contributing to an article on estonia that they should visit a website that they are no doubt already familiar with. Your tip could be either your attempt to hurl an extreme insult or it could be a revelation of extreme ignorance and insensitivity on your part. For now, will take it as the latter. RUReady2Testify 17:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


John, I am putting this discussion here for you and others to find more easily:

Updated a bit--dedication has been scheduled for morning of June 12, 2007. RUReady2Testify 04:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I think strongly that:

(1) the dedication graf should be near the top (above the explanation of the bill in Congress) because: (a) it shows that the memorial is not just a plan but it exists and (b) that info will be edited in a few days to say that the memorial HAS been dedicated and DOES exist etc. and what dignitaries attended the dedication (c) it is important to tell anyone researching this topic that the memorial is in existence and you can go see it;

(2) the info on who was invited is important because it shows that the monument itself is important and to what degree (the degree that X will attend buy y will not: many members of congress will be there but the President will not, although the mention that the President was invited is also important because it shows that: (a) the organizers thought it was appropriate to invite the President and also possible that he might attend.

Inviting the president of the United States to attend any ceremony is an extremely big deal. One does not lightly or humourously invite the President to attend a function or lightly or humourously announce that he has been invited. It is only done when there is a realistic expectation that he might attend.

When an organization invites the President to something, such invitation is ALWAYS announced as part of the general announcement in order to give hearers and readers the information they NEED to asses the importance of the event. In short, the announcement or inclusion here of a statement that the President was invited is shorthand for stating the importance of the event.

It is therefore indeed quite important and quite relevant and will be in the history books 50 or 100 years from now and should be in this one today. RUReady2Testify 14:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree. The President must have many many invitations he cannot fulfil and this on its own is not noteworthy. I also eliminated the double listing of the opening date. --John 16:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC) I'm sorry, but your reason is insufficient to delete someone's work. It is apparent that you have followed me here, as you have never edited this article before. It is claear that you have made your changes for the purpose of bullying me. This behavior of yours, if it does not ceasde, will cross over into vandalism--please re-read the rules on vandalism. Therefore I ask you to cease. Cease editing and or recverting my work. If you wish make any further changes to anything I have done, I ask you to get the agreement of at least two people whom you have never been in contact with before. My edits are: (1) reasonable, (2) in good faith--i.e. not for the purpose of misinforming, vandalizing, altering POV, and so on, (3) well constructed, without errors, and (4) helpful and informative to the reader, and (5) most importantly factually true and verifiable.

If you persist in bulying me--by following me to articles that you have shown no prior interest in and edit or revert my work when my work is reasonable and accurate, when your only reason given is your persional opinion that you do not think it is important, and that your view "must" be the case, using the word "must" to indicate pure conjecture whenI have given a reasoned explanation for my inclusion of a certain TINY TINY point that is expressed in a SINGLE SENTENCE--I will have no choice but seek to have you blocked. There is no doubt you are violating the easiest rules to abide by--do not bite the newbies and remain civil. RUReady2Testify 16:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Victims_of_Communism_Memorial" RUReady2Testify 17:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, and for reverting your mistaken addition of it to my user page. For future reference there is no need to copy material here from article talk; I have the talk page watchlisted and will be happy to see it there. You might usefully review WP:OWN and the text "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." which appears on the edit interface. As it seems you are unhappy with the way I have interacted with you I have asked an uninvolved admin to review my actions. --John 17:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Linking

Hey John, you left me a message concerning the external linking I have been doing as I edit nuclear issue pages. I don't understand why, if the external links I am adding deal with all nuclear issues, it is a problem if I link to other nuclear issue pages. Please explain. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megansmith18 (talk • contribs)

Hi John, I read through the guideline and each of my external links fits the requirements of the guideline. The links are to official websites of the organizations, which offer in-depth information on each of the pages as well as current research regarding each page. I guess I am still confused as to why these links should be removed when they are completely relevant to the pages at hand. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megansmith18 (talk • contribs)

John-Thank you! I am going back to make my links specific to the pages they adhere to. Please let me know if there are further concerns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megansmith18 (talk • contribs)

Yes, I might need help with that. Any suggestions? Also, I seem to be having trouble with Wikipedia in general. It seems that they keep trying to delete my pages or have already for miniscule reasons. Any ideas? Megansmith18 20:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rangers.png

Hello, you had asked me why the image removed was deleted when a fair use rationale was provided. The fair use rationale has to be not only provided, but also valid. Here are the factors that determine fair use (from the relevant wiki page:)

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 2. the nature of the copyrighted work; 3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and 4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Use of the entire logo definitely fails the third prong of the test. Fair use is usually reserved for use of a small portion of a copyrighted work. It evolved in order to allow book reviewers to quote small passages of books. It would almost never be fair use to reproduce, without the copyright holder's consent, the entire copyrighted work. Thanks. Larry Dunn 20:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, fair use tags on wikipedia would be fine with one of the many examples of valid use, but in this case the "work" is in its entirety the logo, and the entirety of the logo is being reproduced, making it not a valid fair use rationale. The rationale that it's all over wikipedia would not stand up in a court of law, which is what Wikipedia's stated policy for inclusion is -- that the fair use rationale stand up in a US court of law. I can refer you to the case law on fair use if you'd like. Thanks. Larry Dunn 20:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
A better course of action might be to take this to a centralised discussion. --John 20:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there's any need, as you have provided the logo policy, which, although it conflicts with Wikipedia's own fair use policy, and has internal inconsistancies in it, is the policy so I won't dispute it. It's not me who would be sued! I'll just comply with the policy. Larry Dunn 21:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah, too late! In general I find these things are best discussed centrally. Let's see what others think. --John 21:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] talk page

Yup, but that is what I've been asking everyone else to do with no improvement. So, can't beat them....although I only made one comment about their off topic discussion. I do hope your are telling the others to keep it on topic because I really want to get issues settled with that article and this mis-use of the talk page is causes us all to go no where fast. I even reverted some off topic trolling but they insisted to keep it back, which was a big waste of time, a distraction, and ultimately distruptive.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Giovanni33 (talk • contribs)

[edit] External Linking

John, It seems that you or someone else has deleted all of my external links. I went back through and they all complied with the guidelines. Please explain. This is very frustrating when Wikipedia keeps deleting all of my work and by the looks of the NY Times article yesterday, everyone's work without ample reason 216.194.197.66 18:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. I haven't touched your links. This is what happens on a Wiki though! I suggest you raise the question at one of the articles' talk pages. You must have forgotten to sign in as well. --John 19:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mis-use of talk page

I dont know how to approach this, but I discovered someone using their talk page to past news articles. The news agency which he is getting the articles from seems to be fake. If you want to take a look yourself here is the page User talk:Cchwnn. Thanks.Inter16 15:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

That does look kind of weird. Why don't you try asking User:Cchwnn directly? --John 16:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] St. Johnstone F.C. External links

Hello John, thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I was just wondering why you removed all the fan site links on this page? With a couple of exceptions, I think they added real value to the article. At first, I thought it was me who had deleted them by accident! Grievous Angel 16:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] odessa

the referenced info said that mengele may have been supported by odessa, an organization that according to wikipedia may or may not have existed. what is helpful about that? there is probably a wiki policy about including things that may have been the case, but unfortunately i don't know where to find ittrueblood 17:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

is that so? trueblood 17:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cheese

Thank you for reverting that rather strange comment\vandalism to my userpage a few days ago. Simply south 14:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome. --John 14:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HHO

Can you restore the bit about dimers? It's one of the things that Santilli claims in the journal article, even if it's factually wrong (especially if it's factually wrong). Feel free to reword it to point out his error; I don't have an extensive chemistry background. You definitely shouldn't be modifying a direct quote:

DEFINITION: Santilli’s magnecules are stable clusters consisting of individual atoms (H, C, O, etc.), dimers (OH, CH, etc.) and ordinary molecules (CO, H2O, etc.) bonded together by opposing magnetic polarities originating from toroidal polarizations of the orbitals of atomic electrons. Numerous new substances with magnecular structures have been identified experimentally to date, among which we indicate MagneGas, MagneHydrogen, HHO, and others under industrial development.

And what's wrong with the Wave 3 News link? — Omegatron 00:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

And why did you add "Despite suggestions to the contrary there exists no peer reviewed article in reputable scientific literature substantiating the claims put forward by proponents of this gas"? Do you have information that we don't about the IJHE article? — Omegatron 00:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Do you just mean the "substantiating the claims" part? What "suggestions to the contrary", though? This just seems like weasel words to me. — Omegatron 00:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

If it is a direct quote it should be flagged as such. --John 00:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Can you restore the text you deleted and explain in the article why the "dimer" quote is incorrect? — Omegatron 23:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
No. It is incorrect because "In chemistry, a dimer refers to a molecule composed of two identical subunits or monomers linked together. The molecules are connected with a covalent bond or more weak interactions such as hydrogen bond." (from dimer).--John 02:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not disputing that it's incorrect. I'm saying that the incorrectness should be pointed out in the article. The whole point of having a neutral article about a subject like this is to point out such inconsistencies and problems.
But the articles have been deleted, despite a majority of editors voting to keep. As an admin who voted in the AfD, would you like to comment on the deletion review? — Omegatron 14:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

 Hello, John/Archive 14/Guinnog, and thank you so much for your support in my recent RFA, which passed 59/0/0! I will try very hard to live up to your expectations – please let me know if I can help you in any way, but first take your cookie! Thanks again! KrakatoaKatie 00:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] My RfA

Dear John, thank you for you efforts to build consensus on my RfA. As you know, it was unsuccessful. I am not the type of editor to be disheartened by such a result, and have gained much experience.

I will run again, however I am concerned that I may see your name in the same place, for the same reasons. I would greatly appreciate knowing what I could do to earn your support next time.

If you have anything to contribute by way of improvements or comments, please don’t hesitate to tell me. Kind regards, Dfrg.msc 00:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English Roman Catholics

If you had even bothered to look you would have seen that Roman Catholics references are are already placed in the biographies for Morrissey and Rupert Everett. Billy Connolly has mentioned his Catholic upbringing numerous times in his stand-up shows (http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1574093.htm) here's a link to an interview with Billy just in case you dont believe me. Des O'Connor mentioned he was Catholic in Countdown dated June 8, 2007. A reference for Dusty Springfield was given in a previous caegory called "List of Roman Catholic musicians" which has since been deleted by wikipedia vote. So there - in your face!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.217.170 (talk • contribs)

This editor has a history or trying to delete information which might lead people to believe that the subjects of biographies might have an Irish or Catholic backgreund - you'll get used to his antics.--Vintagekits 04:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] train bombing

Why would you doubt this isn't NPOV, and, that's the first article someone asks me that... --TheFEARgod (Ч) 19:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice Name

I must have been out of the loop for a while because I did not know you had a name change. Thanks for the 2nd opinion. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Faye Turney

A consensus is not nessesary, I based my decision on WP:BLP#Articles_about_living_people_notable_only_for_one_event.Rodrigue 22:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biased attack against user Tedblack

You removed a mathematical article I wrote on exchange options. In your reasoning you mentioned that this is a mathematical paper and has no place in wikipedia. Your reasoning is patently false and your actions show a clear degree of bias. Through a brief search I have been able to find [5], [6], [7] and numerous examples of mathematical papers in wikipedia. I am reinstating my article.--Tedblack 09:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Refrain from any further deletions. The article I have submitted fulfills all Wikipedia criteria: it is not a personal view; it covers an established financial product; it describes established mathematical methods for valuing and hedging this product; there is considerable interest in articles covering similar subjects. --Tedblack 16:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging

Sorry I didn't merge the content yet, but you know you or someone else is also welcome to do so. Rodrigue 17:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XIII - June 2007

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[edit] Links

Dear John,

I noticed that you removed all of the links to what I feel are appropriate interviews that compliment the content to which I placed these links. I have read the external link guidelines, and I believe what I have posted constitute useful links. I am not promoting a website. This is not advertising. All the links are free and provide additional information which is useful to a reader. For example, I placed a link to an interview with Miles Davis’s producer, Teo Macero, on what it was like to produce Bitches Brew to the Wikipedia page on the same topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitches_Brew. I'm really not sure what is wrong with this link.

Can you please help me to understand this? I’d like to be respectful and help to forward this project, and I think these resources I am adding to Wikipedia are adding helpful content to this site.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammosh11 (talk • contribs)

Hi John. Thank you for your fast response. Since I do believe that these links improve the articles, may I ask what project support is? I apologize for not knowing appropriate wikiquette. Please let me know what I need to do to post some of these links. Also, I still feel that the interview with Teo Macero is relevant. May at least that link be put back up for now? Thanks for all your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammosh11 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your help! Just still wondering if I can put up the Teo Macero link. Ammosh11 03:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi John. I wrote on numerous talk pages and on the WikiProject Music discussion page to follow etiquette. However, I'm not getting any responses. Do you have any more advice? Thank you. Ammosh11 18:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of states with nuclear weapons

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[edit] Louielim2007

I am suspecting louielim2007 as a sock puppet of jorbyma2007. He has been vandalising the Yuri Gagarin page.Andrewlim1 05:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about this. I have currently been notified to report sock puppets in another page. Anyway, I'm sure about that you know about jorbyma2007.Andrewlim1 06:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jorbyma2007

Well, sorry to bother you. Please, forgive me for my wrong doings. But please do not believe Andrewlim1. He is a sock puppet of Louielim1. Please do warn him. I am very sorry about that to bother you.

[edit] Andrewlim1

Hi, sorry to bother you, but I am suspecting Andrewlim1 as a sock puppet of Louielim2007, it is used to be his dad's name but he used it for fun. Please do WARN him if you can, thanks very much.

Hey, what the? I'm just notifying you that he MIGHT be a sock puppeteer. Plus, he didn't sign his talk. Please trust me, if you aren't sure, you can check Jorbyma2007's discussion page. He has really been blocked because of vandalism.Andrewlim1 10:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

...for this, I was in revert mode and nothing was going to stop me! I've reverted myself now, hope there's no hard feelings. Ryan Postlethwaite 20:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I've done worse myself! Thanks for the message and take care. --John 20:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Andrewlim1

Do you have any idea on what happened there? It seems to be a case of sockpuppetry, but the post above is confusing, as well as who the sockpuppeteers are... --Dark Falls talk 08:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I do. Please ask me on my user page, Dark Falls. I feel a bit uncomfortable discussing about this on John's page.Andrewlim1 11:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Test edits in Wikipedia Articles

Thank you for the message, but I'm not sure that I understand. If you could update me as to when I did edit which article, I would be very appreciative. Since your message is dated 30th May 2007, and I did not receive it until today, I am even more confused. I don't ever remember making a test edit on any article, but perhaps I have. If you could update me on this, I would be most thankful.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.134.68 (talk • contribs)


Thanks for that, btu I've never gone there, so unfortunately, it wasn't me. Thanks for clearing it up though!!

[edit] Neighborhood watch

Hi John, I'm heading off to the redwoods for a week of camping...I would appreciate it if you would keep an eye out for things, like folks leaving message looking for help on my talk page. I'm also dropping notes over at Chris' and Sharon's pages, as well. Many thanks! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 02:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure. --John 04:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hockey in Munich article

Can I please see the Hockey in Munich article which you deleted back in December? Kingjeff 03:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure, it's at /HiM. --John 05:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Why exactly was it deleted? Kingjeff 05:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
As you can see, it isn't in English. {{db-foreign}} would be the reason.--John 05:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

If that's the only reason, then I could easily get someone on it. Kingjeff 05:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I considered translating it myself but it didn't interest me enough. I'd be happy to proofread it if someone else translated though. --John 05:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guff

My first thought was indef, but I sometimes get flack for being to harsh - however, if you think so too I'll go back and indef. Jimfbleak 16:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable players

Yes I use the talk page,but no one seems to engage me in discussion even though I have left lengthy paragraphs.(LiamD1 19:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC))

People come on wondering why players aren't there and agree that other players should be added.And it is namely you who always stops it.You aren't even willing to discuss changes,you seem to think you run the page,someone else even said that.(LiamD1 19:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC))

Theres a user called Bazess who left the last comment on the alternative proposal section of the talk page and in the history people have came on and added players,but their edits are almost always reverted.(LiamD1 20:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC))

Oooo all fire and brimstone.I actually made an article about a past great Johannes Edvaldsson but what do you know some clever,omniscient editor reverted it after I added it.To be honest I dont really see why both the players you are reverting and the more established,old ones can't both be added.They all played at a minimum 30 games with the exceptions of Keane,Wright and Juninho.It wouldn't do any harm if they were added.You would really block me?Do you think that I come on here with the intentions of Vandalism?Why would I vandalise the team I support,Celtic's page,I'm simply trying to make it better.I only really come on this site for Celtic and being threatened to be blocked by an editor for something as simple as editing the team I supports page isn't really encouraging for future edits on Celtics and others(LiamD1 20:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page and blocking the vandal! It is greatly appreciated. --TeaDrinker 20:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

You are very welcome. --John 20:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Closing

I'll close that investigation this later today, unless someone elese gets there first. Glad you enjoyed learning abuot watermelon snow. That's a fun thing about Wikipedia- knowledge on every page! ·:· Will Beback ·:· 17:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. --John 17:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celtic F.C.

How many reverts have you made over the past 48 hours? You are the last person that needs to be reminded of WP:3RR.--Vintagekits 18:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I make it two. Thanks for the reminder though. --John 18:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edvaldsson

Thanks for the star.I will stick around now and make more articles.(LiamD1 18:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC))

You're very welcome. Take care. --John 19:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937

Could u have a look at this, please: User_talk:Fighting_for_Justice#Bashkirian_Airlines_Flight_2937_.2F.2F_WP:ENGVAR.23National_varieties_of_English? Thx. --Homer Landskirty 21:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

John, why are you only putting a warning on me? It appears to me like Homer Landskirty deserves one too. Fighting for Justice 01:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
See User talk:Homer Landskirty. --John 01:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bhoys from Seville

Thank you for your contribution on the above AfD. Your time and effort is much appriciated. regards--Vintagekits 01:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Currency Image:2pula.png

Hi, To assist global anti-counterfeiting efforts you may wish to consider marking images of banknotes you upload as "Specimen" in some way, if those banknotes represent legal tender.ShakespeareFan00 14:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Currency Image:2pulab.png

Hi, To assist global anti-counterfeiting efforts you may wish to consider marking images of banknotes you upload as "Specimen" in some way, if those banknotes represent legal tender.ShakespeareFan00 14:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Currency Images

Well if it's no longer active currency, issue resolved. I hope you don't mind me politely raising it though. ShakespeareFan00 15:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

You might want to say what you said to me initially in your rationale for the image concerned.

ShakespeareFan00 15:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Ireland

Here's a chance for you to prove your neutrality to VK. As you're no doubt aware, after lengthy discussion the consensus is not to have an unofficial POV flag in the infobox. However a Unionist editor made this edit, ably supported by a revert by Astrotrain. The refusal of these editors to abide by consensus is disruptive in my opinion. One Night In Hackney303 10:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

And also.... One Night In Hackney303 10:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I have no wish to prove my neutrality to anyone. I agree with you on the Gibraltar issue though and have left messages with the editor concerned and in article talk. See you there. --John 14:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Slightly incivil wouldn't you agree? One Night In Hackney303 15:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that was slightly uncivil. --John 15:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
John, can you protect the infobox on the Northern Ireland article as Astrotrain is edit warring by trying to re-insert the flag dispite there being concensus against this, also I think User:86.158.69.247 may also be him trying to avoid 3RR.--padraig3uk 18:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I have protected the article as you requested. --John 18:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

As you may know John, there never was a consensus to remove flags from the infobox in this article- indeed any discussions that did take place were swamped by now blocked sock and meatpuppets of Vintagekits. Astrotrain 08:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable Sources

I am working on settling a dispute about which sources are more reliable at the article on Race and Genetics Could you just glance at these sources and tell me which ones you feel are more reliable! While I am uninvolved in this articles creation another outside opinion might help reach a consensus. The sources are.

If this is too much, just let me know. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look. It will take me a few minutes though. --John 14:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your time and evaluation. It is not an argument I am necessarily in, however a dispute I am attempting to settle. An editor was claiming that the content in Source 1 was grounds to exclude information from source 2. I am currently working with both parties and your input was very helpful. Thanks again! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

You have done a lot of good work there on minor errors, personally I think it looked better with the flags of twinned towns, and its sad that 'cyber Irish republicans' seek to use Wikipedia as a means of promoting their agenda of wiping the British off the map.

I've asked the Ballymena council to provide an image to represent themselves, lets see what they say, and note that flag icons are used on other pages in exactly this manner.

As regards Gibraltar bands, in the case of Melon Diesel, Amazon.com lists thir CD's and they have an entry on wikipedia. They achieved considerable popularity in Spain and although you may not be familiar with them they are noteable. Similarly there is a page on 'No Direction'

'Super Wookie' are newer and nobody has written about them, yet - however they have played a prominent concert and been on Gibraltar television a number of times and are developing and no doubt someone will in the next week.

The music scene in Gibraltar is alive and well and did not end with Albert Hammond.

Apologies on the revert, I just saw the flag issue. However if you like removing flags, you can help by getting rid of that blood and sand monstrosity at the top of the Gibraltar talk page.

--Gibnews 20:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's going to happen next?

ONiH has asked me via email to delete all his subpages, so, the vandals and attackers have won, I guess. The amount of abuse I have seen folks take on this issue is staggering (now, admittedly, I'm on the outside looking in at this conflict, and only have seen the bad side.) And I'm a little disappointed that folks can be pushed into an outburst like what happened with no ill effects to those who caused the situation. SirFozzie 18:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortuantely, I think that when you get into constant edit conflicts, you start to view it that way. I think the whole British/Northern Ireland history over on ANI (with the two groups constantly warring) got to folks.. there were times where if I had the mop then, I would have been very tempted to slap warnings/blocks on some of the most irritating folks (unfortunately, one of the side effects of being given the mop is the knowledge you can't use it in cases like that).. I tried to get ONiH to take a break before the explosion.. but I think he believes the well is irretrevably poisoned at this point. SirFozzie 19:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Whatever the exact problem is, it cannot be blamed on a victory by "vandals and attackers". Padraig3uk is an editor whose sympathies are obviously in accord with User:One Night In Hackney, and there was a content dispute between them on Talk:IRA_Northern_Command#Charles_McGlade. ONIH did not react well to this and wanted to delete the article as a result. He then deleted posts on his talk page from Padraig3uk and Vintagekits with the edit summary "you're very boring".[8] Three hours after this he said he wouldn't be "editing much any more, due to time wasters."[9] ONIH has been prolific in editing and up to that point mostly exemplary. Afterwards it went increasingly downhill. It seems a likely case of "burnout", and the latest events inevitable as a result. Tyrenius 19:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

While I will agree burnout was probably an inevtibale result, I think it is important to support those editors and not turn our back on them. The good done by ONIH greatly exceeds the bad. I think it is important to drop him a line and express this to him. We all need to feel aprpeciated and at times like these it is pretty easy to feel unappreciated. WHile I do not condone his behavior, i do support him and the hard work he has done as an editor. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Chris. I've emailed him, as I'd be sad if he left permanently too. Maybe after a wee break things will be easier and we can all get on with working together. I hope so. --John 21:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Actually... you're right

Hello John!

You're right of course; about pretty much everything you raised! I got you mixed up with a very simillar user with a short name who just won't compromise on anything about the UK as a frame of reference, and had been inserting Saltires pretty much everywhere.

Also, I do apologise if you weren't aware of that policy - I assumed bad faith which I shouldn't, and I'm sorry about that.

The debate is a heated one to say the least, and I'm just very frustrated here, and wholly believe I'm making a massive point which is not being addressed. I'm an absolute advocate of ethnic equality, but I've been called a racist. I've been called a POV editor, despite outlining why I want as neutral a frame of reference as possible. I've been told I've broken rules, when really, they just don't exist.

I'm not a raging unionist by any means, but I what I'm outlining is that the removal of British nationality for means of "hiding it" are not helpful. I've fought hard to keep the constituent countries as a frame of reference when we write about settlements, and I've fought for the c.c. flags to be used for twin towns. But... describing somebody as English who say had both Welsh and Manx parents, moved to Northern Ireland, was schooled in Scotland, worked in Orkney, died on the Falklands but was born in England - it's just a point of view.

I agree Daniel Craig is English, because he satisfies Englishness at every level... but what about when it is more complicated? Salman Rushdie, DJ Nihal, Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, Tony Blair, David Cameron, Jack Straw...

What's at the root of this is, at what point is somebody English/Scottish/Welsh and why? There are conflicting definitions, which is why British as a descriptor, for better or worse, is a neutral and encyclopedic frame of reference. It seems we're just going off accent here, and not considering broader possibilites. Jhamez84 01:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi. On the subject of the Edinburgh flags situation, you were quite right I probably should not have marked it as a minor edit. My thinking at the time was that a few coloured pixels wrongly placed would be about as significant as correcting a spelling mistake. It appears, contrary to my initial belief, to have captured the imaginations of quite a few Wikipedians. --Breadandcheese 19:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

I thought the small flag icons on the Gibraltar added something and were only only removed because of a particular users POV. That style is used on other pages about twin towns.

There is a larger Spanish flag on the top of the Gibraltar talk page, which is considered highly offensive in Gibraltar, perhaps you could remove that too.

--Gibnews 07:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Long time to speak

Awesome username! Love it. Long live usurpation. How have you been? Drop a line. -- Y not? 03:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

Yup - I did so because Gibnews used the edit tag "rvv" to revert mine. He knows full well what this means. It's not the first time he's done it either. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 11:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
message Louielim2007 13:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


Reason: I would like to give you this barnstar because you care about me and always help me when others like johnsmith6, jorbyma2007, jorbyma2006 were attacking my userpage or my account--louielim2007 13:15 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mike18xx

Mike18xx continues to make personal attacks even after his block was extended by another admin for personal attacks. [10], [11], [12]. You may want to lock his talk page. 210.51.187.169 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Misuse of linked years and Easter Eggs

Hi. I noticed you undid my edit here, with the edit summary "Don't remove linking to "year in aviation" articles". In fact links of the form [[1 January]] [[1901 in aviation|1901]] are specifically discouraged as they break the date formatting feature of the media software. The better use of these links is as a "See also [[xxxx in aviation]]". Hope this explains my edit. --John 16:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

John, links like [[1 January]] [[1901 in aviation|1901]] don't break anything. Such links have two advantages:

  1. Are more readable for non-native English users. Various countries have different ways to write date and for some people 05-06-1980 date means May 6th, for others June 5th. Date written like 5 June 1980 doesn't leave place for misunderstanding.
  2. Date written like [[1 January]] [[1980 in aviation|1980]] is linking simultaneously to two separate articles - 1 January and 1980 in aviation. In both cases you can click on "what links here" feature and you'll see two pages (Special:Whatlinkshere/1 January and Special:Whatlinkshere/1980 in aviation) with all articles linking to them. It's very easy way to check linking articles and update / add new entries to both 1 January and 1980 in aviation articles.

I hope you now understand why [[1 January]] [[1901 in aviation|1901]] links format is used in Aircraft Infobox. Regards, Piotr Mikołajski 16:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry you didn't understand me. Maybe if I demonstrate: look at these two dates.
January 1 1970
January 1, 1970
They look the same, don't they? This is called an easter egg link. It helps no-one. Dates are linked mainly to ensure readers' date preferences work. If there is a useful link it makes more sense to flag it up, for example See also 1970 in aviation. This lets people see the link and click on it if they are interested. Best wishes --John 16:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Data in Aircraft infobox is formatted 1 January 1980, not January 1 1980. 1 January 1980 is easier to read for any user, even unregistered one who can't change date settings in preferences. There is no possibility to flag all dates in See also 1970 in aviation manner because average Aircraft infobox has 4-5 dates, quite often its 7-8 dates. There is no room for flagging it via "see also". Use of 1980 in aviation is current standard in WikiProject Aircraft. If you would like to introduce change of few thousand articles, feel free to propose it in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft page. Regards, Piotr Mikołajski 17:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your further reply. You said "Use of 1980 in aviation is current standard in WikiProject Aircraft" and suggested I bring it up in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft. I will be happy to do so, but I cannot see the consensus to confirm your statement. Can you please point me to the consensus supporting what you say is the status quo? Thanks in advance. --John 17:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no written consensus, we didn't wrote down any single thing which can be edited. Look at several articles about aircraft and you'll see that this date style is commonly used by authors. From my point of view common use of such format style is clear sign of consensus. Regards, Piotr Mikołajski 19:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I see, thanks. That makes sense as it seems that if this use is prevalent that it contradicts the manual of style as well as common sense and usability. I will raise it at the project talk. Best wishes, --John 21:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re

Well I fail to see what's wrong with them, as in I disagree with the policy. But anyway, I would prefer to see some continuity in the matter, I mean pretty much every page uses flags, FAs like Katie Holmes for example. Gran2 19:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't really expecting my argument to carry much weight, this is really only a trivially minor arguement. The fact is I disagree with the policy, but that is that, its policy, and as such I must concede, so remove the flag if you wish. Gran2 06:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hi

Can you look at this Northern Ireland flags issue User:Astrotrain is removing relevent info from this and other articles, and edit warring, he refuses to discuss changes in the talk pages, he has been blocked before for this. He has also breached WP:3RR on this Template:United Kingdom constituents and affiliations.--padraig3uk 00:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I see you haven't responded to this.--padraig3uk 04:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Indeed I have. Please be patient while I work through my backlog; I am a volunteer just like you are. See User talk:Astrotrain. --John 04:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
You give him a warning for edit warring on the NI flag issue, but ignored Template:United Kingdom constituents and affiliations where he has done the same, and breached 3RR.--padraig3uk 04:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
That's right, and I warned you too. Please use talk rather than reverting in future. WP:AN3RR would be the place to report the 3RR case; I don't have time to investigate it at the moment, especially if you are in a hurry. Best wishes, --John 04:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

John, I am sure you are aware of what that user has been up to over the past few months- constantly reverting anyone who edits any page relating to the flag of NI. I am also sure you have seen how futile it is to participate in talk pages with this editor who refuses to compromise or even attempt to reach a consensus. It is strange to be accussed of edit warring when making simple edits with a proper edit summary when he simply reverts any user (me and at least 5 others). If I thought a compromise could be reached then I would happily participate in a talk page discussion- I am sure your own experiences testify that it is pointless. Astrotrain 10:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Astrotrain, I believe your Scottish, would you like it if I went around putting a non-Scottish flag on all templates relating to Scotland, because that is what your doing to the Northern Ireland templates. I come from Northern Ireland and I find it offensive that people mis-represent my birth place to try and score political points, the Official flag is the Union Flag use that or none.--padraig3uk 14:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection of Northern Ireland article

Hi John, your protection of Northern Ireland is about to expire, but I'd like to ask you to consider extending it. As you can see from the talk page, there appears to be no hope of reaching consensus soon, and I fear the edit-warring will ramp up again. I'd re-protect it myself, but I'm very involved in the discussion, and I don't want to violate the conflict of interest guidelines. Thanks, Andrwsc 03:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I will post to article talk in the first instance. --John 04:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

How come there are edits i haven't done. Is this common?81.158.83.236 22:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Charles Saatchi

I'd be grateful if you could keep your eye on things per bottom discussion on the above page. Ta! Tyrenius 01:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I will do. I'll keep an eye on your page as well while you are on your break. Take care. --John 02:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Feel free to archive, delete or deal with, if the mood takes you! I'll check the edit history to see if there's anything important. Tyrenius 03:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military history of Gibraltar during World War II

Hi John, thanks for the copyedit. What do you think of the article, I have spent the last few days writing it! Chris Buttigiegtalk 20:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I really enjoyed reading it Chris, thanks a lot for your good work! --John 20:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Excellent, I guess it paid off then. Chris Buttigiegtalk 21:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

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Hi John. Thank you for your support and kind words in my RfA, which passed with 95 support, 1 oppose, and 1 neutral !votes. It means a lot to me to have your individual support and the collective support of so many others. I truly will strive to carry myself at a level representing the trust bestowed in me as I use the mop to address the never-ending drips of discontent in need of caretaker assistance.

Jreferee (Talk) 08:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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