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[edit] Flag of Northern Ireland

Jonto isn't interested in discussing this, him and Astrotrain are just posting POV tags on the articles because they want to protray the Ulster banner as a offical flag, which it isn't, they seem to just want to engage in edit warring rather then discuss the issue.--padraig3uk 15:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, there will be a way forward. What do you think of my compromise version? --Guinnog 15:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Looking again at your wording: The Union Flag is the only offical flag used for Northern Ireland, as for England, Scotland and Wales, its not technically true as England, Scotland and Wales have recognised national flags, therefore the Union banner is not the only offical flag for them. I will revert your wording for now.--padraig3uk 10:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Really? Can you describe in what way you believe the English, Scottish and Welsh flags have official status? --Guinnog 14:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From someones user page

Someone I once respected had something like this on their user page:

Defend each other!

This is amazing! It sums up how we can use conflicts to build our community instead of letting them tear us apart. I recommend that everyone read it.

When I think about being asked to attack the contributions of a valued editor that he made under duress in error over half a year ago, I wonder if it's best for me to even comment on that, or to focus on, oh, retaining the valuable users of the encyclopedia who have done everything possible to prevent disruptive POV-trolls from inserting garabge into the encyclopeda. Actually, I don't have to think that long. Have you considered asking the user who put that on their user page if they would stand up for User:MONGO when he was being relentlessly pursued by a single purpose POV pusher? Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice, that's a fair point. I don't think that my actions are incompatible with supporting MONGO though; it might be interesting for you to read what I wrote on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/MONGO#Outside view by Guinnog and on Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan#Statement by User:Guinnog. I like MONGO, as I have said already in this RfC. I do think though that some of the actions he and his supporters have taken are incompatible with a harmonious and collegiate editing environment. This example from last August shows (at least to me) that there has been some pretty poor behaviour in the past from anti-CT folks, all done I grant absolutely from good motives. As soon as we can establish that normal Wikipedia rules apply even on 9/11-related articles, we will have made progress here. Incidentally, do you support the vandalism that was done to the article template, without for the moment commenting on the presumed motives behind it? --Guinnog 15:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Nothing you can do will get me to comment on anything that happened before the last time MONGO was dragged by a POV-pusher or Encyclopedia Dramatica troll in front of either the community or the ArbCom. September of 2006 is long, long gone. Normal wikipedia rules certainly do apply - which is why I am shocked that you have not blocked the Rootology sock, or the disruptive single-purpose POV-pushing revert warriors yet. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
If you have any specific concerns about sockpuppets or a particular problematic editor, please feel free to share them with me and I will see what I can do. Thanks for the messages, you made a good point. However, I think there are more POV-pushers and single-purpose accounts out there than you perhaps realise. Best wishes. --Guinnog 16:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you very much for reverting vandalism on my userpage. Much appreciated! MrMacMan Talk 17:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome.--Guinnog 17:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism, dude?

'am jus tryin' to help out, y'all. I am givin the articles the best word: Tellin people not to vandalize. 'am not experimentin like yall were thinkin' it's more of a good measure if ya wanna take it that way, yours truly ClaimJumperPete 17:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Y'all show some respectin' now

Chy'all show yer best respectin' to this user y'all hear? He's a good man, givin' 'em the good word, now it's your turn! Makin' wikipediar a better place is whata do. y'all do the same now kids, yours ClaimJumperPete 21:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EN-5 and so on..

Hi! Guinnog. I really share your entusiasm for the wiki policies.. I just have a question: Where do I find the templates for the fancy EN-1-2-3 boxes -so I can embed one on my page? Geir 21:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Thank you! I even managed to put it a nice place with the the wiki-tables. Geir 22:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
And, how do I insert the standard nav-box for my page? (I couldn't find it..) Geir 06:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Amistimesarrow.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Amistimesarrow.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

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The policy says that the boilerplate text is not sufficient on its own to justify a fair-use rationale. Fair use rationales need to include an explanation of why that specific image needs to be in that specific article, and the image needs to be used for some sort of critical commentary - that is, the image needs to be discussed in the context of the article somewhere. I understand that this isn't the prevailing usage on Wikipedia right now, but that is pretty clearly what our policy states. (ESkog)(Talk) 20:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm also trying to find a way to better reword those image templates so that they don't give anyone the impression that they are enough by themselves to justify the use of the image. I started the conversation at Template_talk:Non-free_logo. (ESkog)(Talk) 15:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XII - May 2007

The May 2007 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

This is an automated delivery by grafikbot 16:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User page vandalism

Hey mate, I just noticed that you reverted some vandalism to my user page at the end of March. I'm a bit late, but I just thought I'd post a thank you here to let you know I appreciate it. Cheers! Martin 20:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Not at all, you are very welcome. --Guinnog 21:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You have "bolixed up" the Cuba page

G: you might be more precise as to what was removed. El Jigue208.65.188.149 14:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

G: You have sure bolixed up the Cuba page and deleted whole sections, I have tried to correct your deletions without success; since there is some kind of software problem now it is up to you to fix it. El Jigue208.65.188.149 14:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. In this edit I restored a deletion you made. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the software that I can see. --Guinnog 17:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

G: Perhaps you did not notice but your "corrections" deleted afigure showning "La Raspadura" the obelisque in the former Plaza Civica (now known as La Plaza de la Revolucion) which I liked and had corrected long ago and a whole section on the so called structure of the Cuban government (which is a farce, and I do not like), El Jigue208.65.188.149 17:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

G: thank you will try to advise reasons for changes in the future, and must be sure to spell farce correctly El Jigue208.65.188.149 16:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:BuzzcocksBrokenLogo.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:BuzzcocksBrokenLogo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BetacommandBot 18:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning?

Why would I be warned for adding fact tags to articles? Zombie69 22:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Supplementary - There was some issue with the wiki in regards to the United Kingdom. I kept getting error messages that the server was down, so I pressed back and retried the edit. I didn't mean to "keep" adding it. I only meant to add fact tags once where needed. Zombie69 23:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, thanks for your reply. I just wanted to make sure you read my above note, and understand that I didn't purposefully 'revert'. It honestly was some error message making me think me edits hadn't gone through, so I'll thank you to take that into consideration. Zombie69 23:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:IRA killings

Can you delete this category please? Despite being aware of the discussion on the category talk page (I directed him there in the last couple of days, to see if he had anything to add) W. Frank has unilaterally recreated the category. Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 10:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 17:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recieving IP address directed messages

I went unto a wikipedia article and recieved a "new message" stating that I provided an unhelpful change or edit to some article. I am guessing it was directed to me because of my IP address. I have never edited a wikipedia article before so I don't know why I got the message - i'm guessing someone with that IP address made the change. Just to clarify: the ISP gives me a random IP address when I logon to the internet (dynamic IP address - I'm sure you know about this). I can appreciate why such messages are created but it should come with a disclaimer - someone who is not informed about non-static ip addresses may not know why they are getting this message and it can be very obtrusive for the user - it reduces the quality of the wikipedia experience and wikipedia loses its credibility (to accuse something falsely, especially after addressing them with personal computer details ie the IP address). I hope this is taken into account and suitable modifications are made in the future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.243.187.247 (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

ok this is really annoying - how do i get rid of that "new message" thing - its on every bloody article that i click on! 89.243.187.247 17:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pumpherston

Apologies, i got a little carried away with the edit tool i just discovered today. Although, the majority of what i wrote was in fact true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.169.118 (talk) 17:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Scotland team page

OK,
I will be guided by your greater experience.
Cheers
Conval 20:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:AlexNewArtBot

Hi Guinnog, long time no speak but I'm kind of back from a long wikibreak (hopefully). Please check out this this thread and consider adding the bot results page to your watchlist so we can manually update the New Articles page. There are some false positives for the first batch, but I'm sure we can collectively tune the rules to improve the output.

If we get enough people watching the results page, we'll be cooking with gas as they say :)   This looks like a great helper in finding new Scotland related material. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 01:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Electric Dog House contribution

Hello. I see that you removed my contribution about Electric Dog House as a suspected hoax. Why didn't you do some research and listen to the song before making that (incorrect) determination? It's available on eMusic, rhapsody and probably a million other places and it's one of his greatest post-Clash works. It's a glaring ommission from this entry, so please put it back.

The compilation album at Rhapsody: http://www.rhapsody.com/album/generations1apunklookathumanrights?artistId=66603

Photos from the recording session: http://www.geocities.com/mythograff/cl_videoclips/EDH_gallery/index.htm

A mention of EDH by Rat Scabies: http://www.acc.umu.se/~samhain/summerofhate/ratscabies2.html

Jeff Forbes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.252.114.112 (talk • contribs)

I have reviewed the links you sent and I do not find them compelling evidence for the introduction of the information you wanted to add to the Joe Strummer article. I suggest you post at Talk:Joe Strummer if you wish to generate wider debate as I could of course be wrong. Best wishes, --Guinnog 22:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
You don't find links to audio files of an actual recorded album compelling evidence of the existence of that very recorded album? That's ridiculous.

[edit] Avro Vulcan

Dear Guinnog, I have reverted a previous edit that you have made in the Avro Vulcan article's "Popular culture" section. You may not have read the earlier discussion revolving around this particular submission (BTW originally made by another editor). The following commentary appeared in the "discussion" page: "I (Bzuk) have researched the use of the Avro Vulcan XH558 for the BBC2 television series, Hyperdrive where the spaceship HMS Camden Lock bears the serial number XH558. The set and prop designer, model maker Andrew Glazebrook is quoted that,"Its registration number XH558 is actually that of the Royal Air Force's 'Avro Vulcan' bomber and was suggested by the show's writers Andy Riley and Kevin Cecil." This direct involvement with the Avro Vulcan and its role as a military aircraft is clearly connected to its science-fiction counterpart." The consensus of the discussion as well as the agreement of the editor who had first removed the entire section was that if there was a significant relationship established to the Avro Vulcan, then the entry should stay in the popular culture section. I also noted that you removed the reference to the videogame that featured a Vulcan. In this case, I agree with you as it smacks of "fancruft" and allowing one entry in this vein opens up every anime, videogame and comic book reference, which makes for an "unencyclopedic" section. IMHO Bzuk 13:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:JordiCruyff.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:JordiCruyff.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Re: Peter Lamborn Wilson

Thank you for the retort to the anonymous user. This edit war over pederasty/pedophilia has been bubbling for some time now, and I suspect some of the IPs making edits are other editors just pushing their particular POV. People can think what they will of Wilson's writings, but accusing someone of being a pedophile is disgusting, and, in the absence of evidence, it is libellous. Again, thank you for your comment. I hope it has some impact. Cheers! ---Cathal 20:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome. I saw your request at User talk:Gwernol and agreed with you enough to weigh in. Gwernol may also do so of course, but you are quite right and deserve all the support you need on this one. I have watchlisted the page, but please let me know if there is anything else you need. --Guinnog 20:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I certainly will. If one follows the discussion, one can see how it begins with controversial material, i.e. Peter has written some historical essays about allegedly pederastic Persian Sufis of the medieval era; moves on to controversial and poorly-sourced material, i.e. Peter (using the pseudonym "Hakim Bey," which has also been used by other authors) has allegedly written a few short works in obscure publications advocating pederasty; and then finally concludes with the assertion that Peter practices pederasty or pedophilia (and these two terms are used interchangably as though they are one and the same).
I hate the "slippery slope" argument in general, but it is on the mark here. One particular user (BobHelms) is notorious in the anarchist movement for his vendetta against PLW/Hakim Bey, posting his screed on numerous sites; and then attempting to list it here as a source for his attacks within the article. And, what's more, he has not been honest about that double role that he has played. ---Cathal 21:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remuneration

Hi, You might recall that Dep. Garcia ran a spellcheck on the John Prescott page and changed "renumeration" to "remuneration", which you promptly reverted. However, "remuneration" really is the correct word. [1] Regards, Gervius

Hah, really? If that's true then it is my mistake, although dictionary.com is not a good resource for spelling, this is clearly the right spelling. --Guinnog 23:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:NEMT

Hi. You may remember this guy from way back when. I've kept watching him for months now. He's now taken to creating TONS of inappropriate redirects (e.g. land of the Switzers). As you yourself have experienced his combative responses before, I urge you to block him for a week or two, he's had far enough warnings already and paid no heed whatsoever in the past. Thanks. Zunaid©® 14:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC) p.s. I haven't seen you around South African pages in a while, where've you been hiding?

Hi Zunaid. I've left the user a message; it does seem a bit unnecessary as a redirect. I was on break for a while and now I'm still a bit busy, certainly not looking for extra things to do. Nevertheless, don't hesitate to give me a shout if you ever need any help. Good to hear from you, --Guinnog 18:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding John Prescotts Spellcheck

Its ok don't worry about it, I didn't even know you reverted it.

Thanks and happy editing!!!

Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 15:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rudeness

To note my efforts to peacably defend my content and, as you put it, my right to edit wikipedia, leaves me wondering how you treat "anyone." As the clarity of my writing leaves me without true tone of attack, ought you instead to review the content for lack of debate. Resolutions come about only through discussion. And to not be offered discussion upon several points, editing or otherwise, is violation of wikipedia policy. "oldanarchist" is quality example of violation, as is Joie de Vivre. As you have not proven your objectivity, please consider yourself under review. Good Day. Sfd101 22:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

First, it is not "your" content, you donate it to Wikipedia when you write it. That's what "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL*" means. Secondly, when you started editing here, you implicitly accepted our policies. One of those is the policy WP:NPA. I suggest you read it as it's very important. Good luck. --Guinnog 22:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Not a Soapbox"

Since when were facts classified as a soapbox. There are news and facts relating to this person's case that should be linked to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcwmag (talk • contribs)

Please see our policies on reliable sources and verifiability. It seems obvious to me that you are adding this information in pursuance of some sectarian agenda, and I will not allow this to happen. You might try posting on the article's talk page to see if you can form a consensus to add the information; but you mustn't keep re-adding it to the article. --Guinnog 15:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rights

What gives you the right to decide what gets added or not. Let's up the ante to arbitration shall we. And as for your claims of sectarianism against me, don't try and pull that card, because you will come unstuck and be humiliated.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcwmag (talk • contribs)

I am an experienced editor and an administrator on the project. Please play nicely or you will be blocked. --Guinnog 15:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patronizing

Don't patronize me and also do some research about who you are talking to before you throw out the "I am an experienced editor" card. Playing at editor on the Internet, does not qualify you as an editor. Also do not threaten me, when so far I have only engaged you in polite debate.

The basis of Wikipedia is to provide information. Whether I support the Big Jock Knew campaign or not, should not preclude it from inclusion on this site. It may not belong on Torbett's page, but it would have the right to have it's own page on here.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcwmag (talk • contribs)

I am sorry if I come across as patronising. Nevertheless, I have tens of thousands of edits here and know how the project works. Part of my work here has consisted of regularly removing this very hate speech from the Celtic F.C. article and others. As an encyclopedia, we only publish information that can be verified. I have sent you (twice) a link to our policy on verifiability; here it is again: WP:V. Please read it carefully before you continue. As for your contention that the BJK "campaign" should have an article of its own, I suggest again discussing at Talk:Jim Torbett or Talk:Jock Stein before doing any more work which may ultimately not be judged as suitable for our project. Finally, please sign on talk pages by typing ~~~~ after your posts. Thanks. --Guinnog 16:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Opinion Requested

I have a user pissed off at me. They have filed a faulty request for arbitration and was wondering if you could look trhough my actions and give me a second opinion. It started with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boeing B-29 Superfortress Survivors. There was some discussion and at the bottom, user User:Piotr Mikołajski proposed a new version which i was willing to compromise on and a few other editors agreed on. I withdrew my afd nom and moved the page to the mainspace. Then, the orignial creator created a copy of the oringial article with his content and renamed it Editing Boeing B-29 Superfortress Survivors List (which i deleted as a copy of the article and encouraged him to engage in discussions at WT:AIRCRAFT. Any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look, sure. Give me a few. --Guinnog 16:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I have posted on the other editor's talk page. --Guinnog 17:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I am still looking into yours! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Review of communication with User talk:Wcwmag

If anything, I can say you have been excessivly patient here with multiple non tempalted warnings. I did not see anything patronizing there personally. I think you did a good job of explaining it, then explaining that you do know what you are talking about. I personally see nothing wrong with that. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!--Guinnog 17:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] user:EastGermanAllStar

Funny thing, he has an RfA (self nom, go figure).--Whsitchy 18:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering if RfAs can be closed with by WP:SNOW. Guess that answers that. --Whsitchy 18:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Look below. I vote finish him. --Whsitchy 18:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Serious violations of Wikipedia rules

Hello, I'm writing to let you know that you have seriously violated several Wikipedia regulations in the last 20 minutes. Such regulations include civility, rules against threats, and removal of sourced content without specific reason. I am very concern about these actions and I feel administrators should be held to a higher standard of accountability. I am asking you to stop at this point, and re-read your administrator guidelines, and then I will be happy to not report you to the administrator noticeboard, which, if these actions continue, could get you blocked, a punishment admins are not exempt from.EastGermanAllStar 18:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps that's best actually. You have exhausted my patience and you can now deal with someone else. I'm sad it's come to this but you were warned. --Guinnog 18:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Is this the sourced content you are complaning about? Second of all, warnings are not threats. From what I have seenm, Guinnog has done nothing wrong at all. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Instead of laying down a threat of that nature, why don't you get off to the GDR talk page and start a dialogue? The stuff you posted is clearly POV and begs a citation. If you want to make a contribution, make one that works and satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for being encyclopedic. That holds for your edits of other pages as well. I'm with Guinnog and Chrislk02 - you need to improve your work and lose the POV. Wiggy! 18:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

(moved to User:Guinnog/awards)

Thank you very much for the award, and for the kind things you wrote. I really appreciate what you said and will try to live up to it. Many thanks, --Guinnog 19:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roy Keane

He did play for Celtic!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bazess (talk • contribs)

Yes, but 10 appearances and one goal don't make him a notable player for Celtic. This was all discussed in talk ages ago. --Guinnog 19:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I think you are taking it too far

What is a notable former player then?

I'd say Roy Keane, probably the biggest and most well known player to have joined Celtic, whilst here Captained us twice, won the League and League Cup and scored 1 goal in 13 appearances would be enough.

You have Mark Viduka and Paolo Di Canio there and they were only here for 1 season each.

I just checked the Rangers one and they have Gattuso, Henning Berg, Antti Niemi and Frank De Boer!!

Who all had short spells. Berg, De Boer and Niemi only played 15 matches, none won any medals.

Keane played 13 matches, was a more well known player and won the League and League Cup!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bazess (talk • contribs)

See Talk:Celtic F.C. As I said it was discussed there. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing ~~~~. --Guinnog 19:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:NatalieErin

Actually, if you look at the [2] History edits at User:Natalie Erin, and the type of vandalism edits I'm pretty much sure that User:Benny RadioR is one of multiple sockpuppets targeting the same user, and this has been ongoing throughout several weeks perhaps months. I've once reverted one user who've copy and paste the Slut article to her userpage and noticed the rash of vandals and some similar trends, which justified me to mark that page in my watchlist.

The question is what user name started this. It could be that 129.xxx user from University of Cincinnati who've been vandalizing the same user page at least once on average per day for several weeks.

I don't know if someone did a checkuser on this case, but this could be very well some long-term abuse by the same person and judging by some similarities on the type of vandalism (i.e disgusting pictures or copy/paste of portions of articles he or she posted to User:Natalie Erin. So this user definitely deserves the block, thanks!--JForget 20:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Guinnog 23:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Keane

I don't blame you because I know it's wrong... somehow. Is not a rule for Wikipedia to name like that bands, look at Snow Patrol but just the bands with an ambiguious name. But I won't give up either with time by my side.--Fluence 23:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The difference between Keane and Snow Patrol are that there are not really any other meanings, whereas Keane has other meanings. Perhaps a more accurate comparison would be with Bush, which is the name of a band, and even the surname of the current President of the United States, but still it is a disambiguation page, rather than just having the band there. The band is at Bush (band). --Dreaded Walrus t c 23:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
That was my understanding too.--Guinnog 23:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I am glad i have got some allies on this subject, i thought i was on my own. I did manage to get the Keane page moved back to the disam page but cannot believe that Fluence dared to move it back!!! Fluence when i made the move request you had plenty of opportunity to vote no and give your reasons on the Keane (band) talk page but you never bothered, so please give up now, accept defeat and get on with it. Murphy Inc 07:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The main problem with Fluence is that he has, on more than one occasion, stated that he doesn't care about consensus. If an article is deleted, he often recreates it within weeks. If a media file is deleted, he'll often upload it at the Nahuatl Wikipedia (Huiquipedia), where he is one of only seven administrators, so his actions there are not questioned, or even reupload it again here (see [3], and here for where he says "If they're deleted, I'll upload them again, or much simpler, upload them to the Nahuatl Wikipedia and make a link."). And that is the main problem with Fluence. He doesn't care even a single bit about consensus. If he feels something should happen, then that is what happens. --Dreaded Walrus t c 12:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fight Club

Thank you for your description. I appreciate it and will do so. It is just very scary to me that no-one has seen this over these many years?

Thanx

(hope this is right, still new to wiki's and what not :-) ): Netsurferj 15:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)netsurferj

[edit] Barn

I thank you very much for the addition.

By the way, shouldn't your user box be native speaker of English rather than professional level 5?

Tyrenius 17:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Isn't level 5 higher? --Guinnog 18:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The levels are for non-native speakers to show how proficient they are in another language! Tyrenius 20:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I could argue that my mother tongue was Scots, but I suppose you're right. --Guinnog 21:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

How about en-Sc ? Tyrenius 00:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ach, I just went for native Eng. It's all one language... --Guinnog 00:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] John B Keane

Hi, Just want to explain why i removed this link from the Kean (disam) page, if we include names of people called Keane where does the line get drawm? we would need to include everyone called Keane and this in turn would lead to a messy disam page. I think Roy should be an exception but not any others, anyway just my view but i think it is fair enough. Murphy Inc 07:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Geldof

Robert Frederick Zenon Geldof, KBE[1], known as Bob Geldof (born 5 October 1951) [2] This was equally successful, as well as controversial; Geldof wrote it in the aftermath of Brenda Ann Spencer's attempted massacre at an elementary school across the street from her house in San Diego, California, at the beginning of 1979.

Geldof quickly became known as a colourful spokesman for rock music. The Boomtown Rats' first appearance on Ireland's The Late Late Show led to complaints from viewers. He had limited success as an actor, his most notable role being the lead in the 1982 film Pink Floyd The Wall, based on Pink Floyd's album The Wall.

This is how the intro reads, I tried to correct it and you reverted me, would you mind telling me why? Billtheking 17:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RMS Titanic

You might want to check the last few edits out...someone is trying to POV push the Ireland issue again. I've used up my 3 reverts, have given the editor the last warning. I have no problem blocking him if he does it again, but as it's not clear vandalism, I won't be able to revert again. AKRadecki 21:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. You are right, it is far from being vandalism, more a PoV we (and most people) disagree with. I've sent the new user a message and we can take it from there. Thanks for the heads-up; I hope you scrutinised my recent copyedit by the way, I expected more resistance to my introduction of the modern "sulfur" replacing the olden-days "sulphur". I still believe the former is more encyclopedic (i.e. modern scientific usage of the name of an element) but there might be other opinions? --Guinnog 03:17, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Titanic FAR

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[edit] Your note

He's blocked for 24 hours, and I've reverted to your version at Irish-Scots. Let me know if there's any more trouble. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 05:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion of SNP MPs and current Scottish MPs cats

Could you have a look at this CFD nomination. It has been up for a week, and only 2 people have commented on it (amazingly). Could you please consider the discussion and contribute, because it would be a bit pathetic if this CFD were closed with almost zero comment. --Mais oui! 17:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A question from someone who wants to be an admin

Notice you'd indef'd a user whom I'd given a 4im warning as an obvious vandal, even though he hadn't made any edits afterward ... can that be done normally? Clearly, the guy was a vandal-only account--just wanted to make sure for future reference in case I get to be an admin. Blueboy96 22:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Good comment. Not sure every admin would agree, but looking at the user's contributions made it obvious (to me at least) that this was not somebody marginal who could be "saved" and start doing good edits, but someone who was here to damage the project. I was influenced in this assessment by the particularly unpleasant nature of some of the edits the user had made. At that point it is easier to issue an indef block. The template includes an unblock request, should the user wish to improve, but I don't think I have ever seen this happen. Nor have any of my blocks been overturned (as far as I know), so I can't be all that wrong. No disrespect was meant to you in blocking the user. Hope that makes sense. --Guinnog 22:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, none taken ... I personally think blatant vandal accounts should be blocked without warning if they edit the way this guy did.Blueboy96 22:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit warring

You gonna do something about this or are you just gonna let this slide cos you agree with him.--Vintagekits 23:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

What would you suggest I do? I cannot use my admin privileges in a content dispute, and I agree with the majority of editors who oppose your changes. Beyond urging you both to discuss in talk (which I see you are already doing, well done), my options are the same as yours here; basically, try to follow our policies in trying to reach a consensus that all can live with. Failing that, it would be time to use some kind of dispute resolution, which you are able to use as well as me. Finally, let me say I do not like your tone here; I assure you that I have always endeavoured to treat you fairly here, and I am not in the least influenced in giving you this answer by the unhelpful and combative reply you made to my recent request to you to tone down some inflammatory and unhelpful content on your user page. --Guinnog 23:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually the majorty agree with me if you look through the various discussions.--Vintagekits 00:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Further comment; don't take this the wrong way, but are you familiar with WP:LEAD which suggests how a lead paragraph should be written? It seems clear that for stylistic reasons the lead cannot contain every single detail of the article. I wondered if this could explain your stance on the Falklands issue? --Guinnog 00:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, and hopefully I'm not outstepping a newbie's bounds, but I jumped in as a neutral party, and put comments both on the article's talk page and on Vintagekits' talk page. I've also changed the lead back to the stable version until dicussion results in new agreed-upon text. AKRadecki 02:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal: Variants of the abolished NI Flag in Template:Country data Northern Ireland

Hi, you might want to voice your opinion in a proposal I made in Template talk:Country data Northern Ireland#Request for edit. As the discussion has been going on and the page is quite cluttered, here my proposal in short:

Inclusion of variants in the Template:Country data Northern Ireland as follows:
| flag alias-cgf = Image:Flag of Northern Ireland.svg Image:Flag of Northern Ireland.svg still used by the CGF (Commonwealth Games Federation)
| flag alias-patrick = Image:Saint Patrick's flag for Northern Ireland.svg
| flag alias-map = Image:Alliance Northern Ireland flag.svg , which I find aesthetically more satisfying than
| flag alias-union = Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg as the only official flag of NI

The defenders of the abolished flag argue that this flag is still used in context with the Commonwealth Games. I think that the inclusions of variants is the first practical step in discontinuing the use of the abolished flag in articles about biographies and international organisations (like the european parties). AFAIK, a map tag is already in use in articles about NI geography; this map symbol was never intended to be used as an icon, and I think the usage of Image:Alliance ni flag.png looks better.

I would welcome your input to this debate greatly.

Kind regards, Dingo 05:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC) (currently anonymous)

[edit] Irving

Thanks! Jayjg (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steinbeck Link

I appreciate your concern that the link I left was spam. But I do not think it is, and I respectfully ask you to consider the following. After looking through the wikipedia guideline, I think the link I added was in compliance. The link in question (http://www.mansionbooks.com/BookGuide.php/Last/Steinbeck) lists the first edition points for nine Steinbeck books. The link shows thumbnails of the first editions, and provides identification points for the books (things like who the publisher was, what the original price on the dust jacket was, and amount of pages) it also provides photos of the copyright pages and dust jackets. This site exists for first edition identification only. The site does not sell books. That said, I believe that this link provides "accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article". I believe that this link contains "meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article" because it deals exclusively with how to identify first editions. I think the information that this link provides is complementary to the article because, while the article addresses the content of Steinbeck’s books, the link addresses questions about what the first editions of his books look like. Thank you for your consideration.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tklein27 (talk • contribs)

[edit] East Germany national football team

A suspected sock of many accounts has been editing many national teams. These edits ma be technically good edits. But in theory these edits are vandalism. If you think these are technically good edits then don't just revert them or undo them. Actually make them ligit by redoing the whole thing yourself. Kingjeff 03:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

For further reference, you can check User:Dppowell/PPP. Kingjeff 03:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you get back regarding this asap. Kingjeff 04:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I think in the immediate future it might just be best to redo those edits yourself. The history of this sock is that once one of his accounts is blocked, then he creates a new account. Remember, any edit by a sock is automatic vandalism. Kingjeff 17:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tracey Emin

I was looking at that! Did you manage to confirm the date change was correct?[4] Tyrenius 14:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

No, and I still can't. I've just left in the public opening date meantime. --Guinnog 14:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds sensible. Tyrenius 03:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TWA Flight 800 copyedit

MUCH appreciated, thanks! Lipsticked Pig 14:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome! Well done yourself for all your great improvements to the article. --Guinnog 14:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] BetaCommandBot

I don't know if you have any comments on this. Regards, Samsara (talk • contribs) 16:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that. --Guinnog 16:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals

Could you tell me how to report a punk vandal like Homelessman123123 to the Wikipedia staff? Not that it'd do much good really BUT it'd make me feel better! Tommyt 16:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. See WP:VAND for a complete explanation. The user you refer to is indefinitely blocked. --Guinnog 16:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Cool, many thanks! Tommyt 18:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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