Talk:John Surtees

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[edit] Complete Formula 1 Statistics

I reverted the career statistics format to the Wikipedia standard chart for all Formula 1 drivers. Please see Wikipedia articles for Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart among others. The information you added is useful though and can be added to the text section recounting Surtees' Formula 1 career. If you would like to change the current format, you could post a message on the Wikiproject Formula One page.Orsoni 09:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd support addition of this information - not so relevant for current drivers, but very relevant for the 50s, 60s and 70s where really small independent teams were much more common. I see Pyrope has rasied this at the old discussion to this effect at WP:F1, so suggest we carry on there. 4u1e 10:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the 50s and 60s were different times. My concern is that a myriad of facts in the results column would obscure the main focus of the chart which is to summarize the driver's results. In my opinion, the differing chassis and engine combinations can be addressed and fleshed out in the main body of the article. I also think it's important to keep a standard results chart for all Formula 1 drivers so as to make things easier on the reader linking from article to article.Orsoni 12:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I cannot see how my table was a problem. The "standard" chart was created by neophytes with no long-term view. I had spent quite a bit of time making sure that I wasn't overloading the table with information, and I think that the resultant chart was clear, concise, and most importantly, correct. I hav posted message on the Formula One wikiprojet page and was using John Surtees as an example of how the format could be better. You have now removed that, thanks. Pyrope 13:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for that. No slight was intended. I was only trying to maintain the current standard used in the other driver's articles and wasn't aware you were using this article as an example. You can revert to your edit by using the history section.Orsoni 13:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

That's ok, I didn't mean to jump down your throat. I do however give significant thought when I make large-scale changes to articles and I expect others to do the same. Crediting Surtees with driving for Lola in 1962 is simply wrong, Reg Parnell bought chassis from Lola and ran them under his Bowmaker-Yeoman Racing sponsorship. Lola was credited with Constructors' Chamionship points, but they emphastically were not Big John's "Team". Pyrope 13:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)