Talk:John S. McCain, Jr.

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[edit] Completeness

This article uses only one source and doesn't cover anything outside of his involvement in World War II in a meaningful way. Much of what content exists is informal in tone and drifts into conjecture and low-value side commentary.--Rem01 10:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Father

His Father, John S. McCain, Sr. was also an admiral (the only father-son pair of full admirals in US history).

His father was senior USN aviation officer in SWPA in July 1942, & head of BuAer in August 1943. I do Q if DDG-56 is named for Junior McCain, tho; I'd bet she was named for JSM Sr, who was long dead by then. Trekphiler 06:02 & 06:05 & 06:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
DDG-56 was actually named for both Admirals McCain. McCain Sr. was actually a Vice Admiral when he died, but was retroactively promoted to Admiral effective the date of his death.
Also, while McCain Jr. might have been the first son of a four-star admiral to also become a four-star admiral when he was first promoted in 1967, there have since been at least two other father-son four-star admiral pairs. David Worth Bagley Sr. was placed on the retired list with rank of Admiral in 1947; his son David Worth Bagley Jr. was CINCUSNAVEUR from 1972-1975. James L. Holloway Jr. was CINCNELM/COMSCOMLANTFLT from 1958-1959; his son James L. Holloway III was CNO from 1974-1978. Morinao 18:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sam! Rewrite!

I rewrote this:

"commanded the submarines USS Gunnel and Dentuda. "

to this:

"during the Torch landings. Like many U.S. subs in the Pacific, Gunnel was attcked in error by friendly aircraft. McCain had no end of trouble with the Hoover-Owens-Rentschler (H.O.R.) diesels (which were so troublesome, in the Pacific, Sub Force members called them "whores"); at one point enroute, drive gears of all four of Gunnel's main engines go out of commission, and McCain had to rely on his tiny auxiliary for the last 1800km (1000nm). Gunnel went into the navy yard for extensive extensive refit, and was replaced on patrol station off North Africa by Pilly Lent's Haddo).[1]
"In June 1943, McCain on his second patrol covered the East China and Yellow Seas. He was "fearlessly aggressive", sinking two ships (confirmed postwar by JANAC): Koyo Maru (6400 tons) and Tokiwa Maru (7000 tons). Yet the return of troubles from his H.O.R. diesels cut the patrol to only eleven days, after which he was compelled to return to Pearl Harbor.[2]
"During the May 1944 U.S. air strike on Surabaya, Gunnel lay off Tawi Tawi, in company with Robert Olsen's Angler. McCain had no success, and moved to the coast of Indochina afterward, where on 8 June 1944, he picked up a convoy, escorted, incredibly, by yet another aircraft carrier. He proved unable to approach closer than his contact range, about 28km (15nm). On his return, he was detached to new construction. In five patrols, his contribution to the defeat of Japan had been slight.[3].
OK, there's been some kind of glitch. Hit "edit" to see what I really added... Trekphiler 08:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)