Talk:John Roecker

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the John Roecker article.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

This article is within the scope of multiple WikiProjects. Click [show] for further details

The Arbitration Committee has placed all Scientology-related articles on probation (see relevant arbitration case). Editors making disruptive edits may be banned by an administrator from this and related articles, or other reasonably related pages. Scientology Portal This article is supported by WikiProject Scientology, a collaborative effort to help develop and improve Wikipedia's coverage of Scientology. The aim is to write neutral and well-referenced articles on Scientology-related topics. See WikiProject Scientology and Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ. Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the Project's quality scale. See comments This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard. This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page. Biography Portal Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ] This article is supported by WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed biographical guide to actors and filmmakers on Wikipedia. More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: 6 citations, no images. Could use images, and expansion with additional citations. Smee 04:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC). (edit) LGBT Portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, visit the project page. Start This article has been rated as Start-class on the quality scale.

[edit] Arbitrary section

John Roecker reference is here :

[1] --Fallout boy 04:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Undue Weight?

I see that the story of his incident with the Elfman's takes up more than half of the article. Is that really more important than his career as a director? Steve Dufour 00:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

• It is sourced material that was present in the article before I first began to edit this article. All I have done so far was to add more citations from reputable secondary sources. Smee 04:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

I am tempted to remove the whole section, as per WP:BLP. At the very least, the first paragraph should be deleted since the reference is not a reliable source.HubcapD 19:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It's been a week, and I'm removing the section per WP:BLPHubcapD 23:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

To elucidate on why I'm deleting this, the Reliable Sources section says quote "Editors should avoid repeating gossip published by tabloids and scandal sheets. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject." An alleged arguement between Roecker and the Elfmans is hardly relevant material to an encylopedia article on either person. This was deleted from Jenna Elfman's page and since WP:BLP applies to biographical information about people in other articles, it needs to removed form here as well.HubcapD 23:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't care what happened to Jenna Elfman's page. From what I see, it was never there.

Then you must have missed this and this.HubcapD 18:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The event wasn't gossip. It wasn't just reported by tabloid - you deleted a segment that is "This story was picked up by About.com, which is published by The New York Times Company". Jenna Elfman also confirmed the encounter.

As per Athaenara in my second link above, "The 2005 purchase of About.com by The New York Times Company does not confer encyclopedic legitimacy upon the content of About.com subject area websites."HubcapD 18:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thus, I am reverting it back in. Instead of just "delete all", make a short summary. That is what wikipedia editing is about: improving articles. Not just deleting what you consider as "bad PR" for whatever you support. --Tilman 05:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The simple fact of the matter is that is was removed from the Elfman article per BLP policy. Since BLP policy covers biographical infomation on people in other articles, it applies here as well.HubcapD 18:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)