Talk:John Profumo

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Summarized the scandal, given that there is a full article on the subject. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

"Profumo is an Italian baron (the 5th in line), with the title (which he generally did not use) dating from 1903."

With the title ?? what? I don't know the conventions of Italian titles, but is he "Baron Profumo"? Baron Profumo of ? Baron of Profumo? and what is the title in Italian?

Please, if you're going to put tantalising facts like that in, give us all the information! Ian, 02.16.06

As Italy abolished all titles of nobility when it became a republic just after WW2 he may have considered it inappropriate to use it. It says that he had a good war record, but when was this? He was an MP from March 1940 to the 1945 general election, which covers practically all the fighting during the war. He may have had a perfectly respectable record as a peacetime soldier during the occupation of Japan. Mustafa Bevi 12:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

  • He never used the title. In 1940 when he inherited it Britain was about to go to war with Italy, so posing as an Italian nobleman was probably not a good idea.
  • Many MPs spent the war on active service and several were killed. I don't know the details of his service but it shouldn't be hard to find out now that lots of obits will be appearing in the press. Adam 12:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your policy is on this, but the paragraph on Profumo's charity work is extremely close to a section of this report: [1]. Merely changing a few words is tantamount to plagiarism and would be unacceptable for a serious publication. 84.65.181.208 18:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the offending section - maybe someone else can give it some thaught to summarize it in his own words. Agathoclea 19:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for my hasty adaptation of the BBC report's section on Profumo's charity work. It was late at night and I figured it would "do for now." I have now rewritten it. I notice by the way that the Press Association article on Profumo appears to have borrowed heavily from Wikipedia. Adam 02:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Sections

The article should at least be divided into sections, and requires a pic also.--Rejnal 19:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Sections done - not too sure about "post 1964" - I am convinced someone else has a better idea what to call it. pic still needed. Agathoclea 19:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stratford

Does anyone know why the parliamentary constituency is called Stratford-on-Avon when the town is called Stratford-upon-Avon? Adam 03:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date of death

Did he die on March 9 (as in the article) or March 10 (as in Deaths in 2006)? Margana 17:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I just altered the article there. Google search brings up newsitems dated 9th. The referenced article says he died around midnight. He was admitted to hospital on the 7th and died 2 days later which is the 9th. I'd say we stick with the 9th until we have official statment otherwise. Agathoclea 18:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I only found one Swiss newspaper which said he died after midnight. Agathoclea 18:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Closer to home [2] says it was "Thursday night". Agathoclea 18:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I thought: Thursday night is after 24.00 h.; before that, is't evening ain't it? Anyway imho it's still a mystery. --Algont 12:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I would call that "In the early hours of Friday" or "Friday morning" - but once the dust has settled there should be an "offical" orbitatory that will settle it. Agathoclea 14:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
According to German newspaper "Frankfurter Rundschau", it was after midnight, so the 10. --217.83.105.45 21:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC) ([3])

The Telegraph said that he died at "Thursday night", which is 9th March. Moreover, The Times clearly stated that he died on 9th March, 2006. I think these are obvious enough. If you spend some times searching The Guardian, you would just find the same answer. --218.103.225.49 13:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BLP

Statements about living persons must be sourced. Xiner (talk, email) 15:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Wigg?

I've read a few times that it was Barbara Castle who stood up in the House and directly asked whether Profumo was having an affaire with Ms.Keeler. --Maarten1963 01:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)