Talk:John Murray, 4th Earl of Dunmore

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[edit] Re: Dunmores slaves.

 I'm much interested to see that he 're-sold his ex-slave soldiers after defeat'.  On the other hand I have actually seen the lists of land grants in Nova Scotia to these black ex-soldiers - which land grants are EXACTLY the same size as those granted to white volunteer soldiers from the various Loyalist Volunteer Regiments being de-mobilised up there in the 1783-4 period.   They didnt in fact like the climate, and later formed the nucleus of those, helped by a number of English philanthropists to return to Africa, and founded a new colony

of free men there. Its also interesting to see his sons serving in the Kings American Dragoons, (naturally called Murray, not Dunmore) and the unit being presented with colours by the then Prince of Wales, later Geo. 3rd, at a big ceremonial parade at Flushing Meadows, New York. A vivid description of this parade makes interesting reading.

217.38.66.12 15:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

So far as I know, there is no evidence that Dunmore 're-sold his ex-slave soldiers after defeat'; some Patriot American slaveholders certainly told their slaves that they would end up being sold in the West Indies if they ran away to join Dunmore, and certainly many Southern African Americans who joined the British didn't get their freedom at the end of the Revolutionary War. However, I've never come across any specific reference to Dunmore doing this, and I'd be very interested to see a source for the claim. In the absence of such evidence, I think that this unsourced claim should go. --Sonthonax 23:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)