Talk:John Madden (American football)

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NB: Prior to 28 October 2003, this article was part of John Madden. For edits made to this article before that date, see the edit history for John Madden. —Paul A 08:47, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

  • I disagree with the judgement on moving this over unambiguated John Madden. I believe it should stay where it is. --Improv 05:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] request for more info

Does anyone know what position JM played? That'd be nice to add.

[edit] Good Charlotte

Someone claimed that John Madden is the father of twins Benji and Joel Madden, who are in the rock group Good Charlotte. This claim was repeated on Joel Madden and Benji Madden. I have reverted all 3 of these pages. Is this claim true? I can't find any sources for this. I'm also a fan of the group and I watch a lot of football, which is not definitive of course, but I've certainly never heard these claims before. Interviews with the band suggest that they knew their father and that he was a butcher and house painter before leaving the family when the boys were 16, at a time when John was coaching the Raiders. See "GC Article In November Blender Mag". Simishag 01:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] John Madden's residence

Although the article lists Pleasanton, CA as his home, doesn't he live in Blackhawk?

Dspserpico 00:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

His bio page on his website lists Pleasanton. BrianFane 16:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


why do people keep changing the state austin is in? shouldn't it be minnesota? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.13.135 (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

Shouldn't the quotes be moved to Wikiquote?--Dwedit 03:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Caliendo

I clearly remember an article where John Madden said he didn't mind Caliendo's impersonation. I'm trying to find it, but my memory -- which, of course, could be wrong -- contradicts the article. Hopefully I'll find it in the next few days and I can correct the article if need be.

I've added a quote by Caliendo, but a quote by Madden would be more appropriate in Madden's article. Haven't found one yet... RadioKirk (u|t|c) 02:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Found one. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 03:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Why do people feel its important to mention that Frank Caliendo does an impression of him? Is that really vital information to people coming to this page looking for information about John Madden? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.229.247 (talk) 04:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, I don't see any reason for Caliendo to be mentioned in Madden's article. It might be appropriate for Madden's feelings on Caliendo to be in his article, but not in this one. 151.197.127.141 (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was oppose for move. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I've already moved the previous article "John Madden" to John Madden (disambiguation). This John Madden is far better known, and has a far more developed article, than any other person with the same name. --zenohockey 05:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
  • Support - Most of the redirects to the disamb are referencing to the American football commentator. A--J. Nguyen 15:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC) After thinking about it, I heard of the hockey player and filmaker John Maddens but they're not as well known in the United States and say the American football commentator. John Madden is just not an unique name. Oppose. --J. Nguyen 15:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I disagree with the judgement on moving this over unambiguated John Madden. I believe it should stay where it is. --Improv 05:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, I think - the football guy may well be the best known John Madden, but then being the director of Shakespeare In Love or one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL sound like pretty good jobs too. sjorford (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose - To assume that someone typing John Madden in Wikipedia is only looking for the former coach seems kind of presumptuous. --Cholmes75 21:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - When you hear the name John Madden, this is who you think of. There may be others with the name, but this is the most famous and one most are likely searching for. --Mrskippy 00:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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  • The NHL player and the director named John Madden are notable—that's why they have pages on Wikipedia, after all—but the average Wikipedia user is far, FAR more likely to be looking for the football analyst than either of them. Remember, the standard, according to WP:RDR, is: "Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes 'Go', what article would they realistically be expecting to view as a result?" Admit it: the first John Madden that comes to mind is this one. --zenohockey 05:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
That's kind of presumptuous, deciding for all visitors what the first John Madden to come to mind will be. Outside America, it's probably likely enough to be the director; that's who I was originally looking for today, anyway... 81.104.164.2 04:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, I live in Britain and think that 90% of English speaking people would be looking for the John Madden associated with football. I have never heard of the other John Maddens and think that there should be one of those links that you click on to find the others who are so much less famous. --Wikipediatastic 16:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I live in Canada, where hockey is king. Even then, the most well-known John Madden is this one. Kirjtc2 16:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
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Someone messed with the page and changed a bunch of stuff. Someone should fix it. I would myself but I'm too lazy.

[edit] 2 footballs on the field?

what does that mean?--TheNation 05:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fear of Flying

Removed the following question from the article. If someone has information on how Madden travelled when he was a coach we can add it to the article.

However, one wonders how Madden travelled around the country during his tenure as coach of the Raiders: did he start using a bus in the early 60's while his teams flew to the sites of their road games? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boguslinks (talk • contribs) 01:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Jbl1975 has clarified the article. Boguslinks 02:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


why does it say " He was also the last color commentator for Monday Night Football before it moved to ESPN in 2006." like, he's as white as a ghost. i'm going to delete it and assume it is tomfoolery. 66.131.22.154 08:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

What are you objecting to as "tomfoolery"? The concept of color commentary? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.34.149.77 (talk) 13:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC).


[edit] article title

I propose moving this article to John Madden (American football), as nobody has any idea who "John Earl Madden" is. He's never called that. Corvus cornix 17:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] turducken?

Why is turducken in the "see also" section of the page? Am I missing something or is this vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.29.202 (talk) 03:24, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

John Madden is known for his love of turducken, he discusses it all the time on the Thanksgiving shows. Corvus cornix 17:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] No Critics???

Why does this article not have a "critisism" section? Many people have through times critisized Madden for being Racist and for his many statements about how white football players should be chosen before black Why is there no mentioning of that? no matter who you are you can always be critizesed I would appreciate it if someone would look into it.

With regards; anonymous contributor

[edit] Best Winning Record?

According to my research, Madden has the best winning percentage record -- better than Lombardi (though Lombardi is given that credit on this page.)

"Madden's overall record with the Raiders was 103-32-7, giving him the highest winning percentage of any NFL coach (just edging out legendary Green Bay Packers coach Vince Lombardi, whose lifetime record was 105-35-6)" (Answers.com)

"His winning percentage (.750) is the best of any head coach in NFL history." ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/madden/story?page=bio)

"His .759 regular-season winning percentage stands as the highest ever among coaches with 100 career victories." ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/halloffame06/news/story?id=2536320) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madscribbler (talk • contribs) 15:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Madden biographies

Any good biographies on Madden? Robert C Prenic (talk) 21:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dead?

Is he dead? 67.167.56.186 (talk) 02:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)